COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[BashiChuni]

  On 1/15/2023 at 2:51 PM, Negatory said:

But in reality we as a society had very limited SA or perception of what the actual truth of the situation was until science uncovered some of those answers. It took months to years for that. And, you seem to forget, we had to operate and make decisions in that limited SA environment. You can’t put the big arrow on a decision when your SA is super low. The ends don’t justify the means. I believed, and will continue to believe, you 100% did not have the SA in the Summer of 2020.

For example, we now know mRNA vaccines are entirely ineffective at stopping transmission - we were hopeful they would be very effective. Didn’t know that.

no no no no don't you dare spin that....your side was 100% CONFIDENT THEY WOULD STOP THE SPREAD AND YOU WOULD NOT GET COVID. Your side was militant in that view. People lost jobs, businesses, freedoms, friends and family if they wouldn't get the shot. The very shot your side promised would save them. I could forgive the vax extremists if they were willing to listen to dissenting scientific opinions, but unfortunately those were suppressed, censored, and blotted out.

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all of this statement is not true. if the government/fauci didn't know, then why the urgent memo from fauci to censor the barrington declaration scientists?

fauci  and his thugs are the ones who doubled down and illegally broke the first amendment by colluding with social media to censor/block any viewpoint they deemed untrue.

early on we knew masks didn't stop the spread. we quickly knew it was airborne transmission, but to this day i still see people whiping down surfaces.

there's a HUGE coverup going on by the left/fauci/CDC/media talking heads....why is that? why did fauci lie in his congressional testimony about gain of function research?

this was a huge power grab, and a few key government deep state power brokers knew exactly what was happening and exactly what they were doing.

 

[Swizzle]

  On 1/16/2023 at 1:01 AM, BashiChuni said:

all of this statement is not true. if the government/fauci didn't know, then why the urgent memo from fauci to censor the barrington declaration scientists?

fauci  and his thugs are the ones who doubled down and illegally broke the first amendment by colluding with social media to censor/block any viewpoint they deemed untrue.

early on we knew masks didn't stop the spread. we quickly knew it was airborne transmission, but to this day i still see people whiping down surfaces.

there's a HUGE coverup going on by the left/fauci/CDC/media talking heads....why is that? why did fauci lie in his congressional testimony about gain of function research?

this was a huge power grab, and a few key government deep state power brokers knew exactly what was happening and exactly what they were doing.

 

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How do you define, actualize, the power grab?  Is the power grab you speak of more defined as: pandemic enabling more mail in voting, thus leaning a certain way? More dependency on gov't by saving a person from paying their student loans? Forbearance of home loans/financial choice(s)? To experiment with the boundaries or gov't control/power of our American system of governance? ....how, or how else is actualized?

[slc]

I often wonder who the wizard is behind the curtain.........cause we all know it isn't Biden pulling the strings

[Guest nsplayr]

Dudes, again, there’s no grand conspiracy.

Occam’s razor - it’s always fog of war, happenstance, bad SA, and incompetence. Very very rarely is there an actual conspiracy. Over and over again throughout history this has been true. Being a military member you know full well how unorganized and grabasstic even our best institutions can be.

Except Epstein definitely didn’t kill himself 😅, that’s the only recently conspiracy theory I unironically believe is true. 

[FlyingWolf]

  On 1/16/2023 at 1:29 PM, nsplayr said:

Dudes, again, there’s no grand conspiracy.

Occam’s razor - it’s always fog of war, happenstance, bad SA, and incompetence. Very very rarely is there an actual conspiracy. Over and over again throughout history this has been true. Being a military member you know full well how unorganized and grabasstic even our best institutions can be.

Except Epstein definitely didn’t kill himself 😅, that’s the only recently conspiracy theory I unironically believe is true. 

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Nah... Do you not believe in drug cartels?

You seriously dont think people in the military "join or work together"?

Conspiracies happen all the time, they are fundamental to the concept of society itself. Often we call it politics.

 

Sure, the wizard behind the curtain concept is unrealistic. Its often groups of likeminded individuals who have convinced themselves they are the good guys and fall back to ends-justify-the-means philosophy.

 

[SurelySerious]

There is definitely a political faction that would like to further their means by consolidating federal power to lessen the efficacy of local efforts, and some of the covid measures were in line with that. There are definitely political factions in the US bemoaning that we didn’t enforce China-like lockdowns/tracking, which would further enable the federal government more control over more dependent subjects and benefits a few political elites; if you’re blind to that “wizard,” reevaluate.

[brabus]

 

  On 1/16/2023 at 1:29 PM, nsplayr said:

Occam’s razor - it’s always fog of war, happenstance, bad SA, and incompetence.

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Those are all certainly at play, but follow the money and power; there are absolutely “elite” class members who are purposely pushing things a certain way via multiple lines of effort to increase one or both of those metrics for themselves and their class peers. It’s not really a conspiracy theory, as it’s written all over world history books as long as recorded history has existed. The problem is Americans are incredibly naive because they believe things like, “no way the US could ever have czars like Russia did,” or “no way our gov would do mass firearm confiscation as a precursor to the complete destruction of individual freedom…like has happened hundreds of times, every time, in history…hmmm.” Those things and everything else written in history can and will happen here if we let it. Americans need to stop being naive and lazy, else they are completely complicit in the destruction of our great country. 

[BashiChuni]

  On 1/16/2023 at 10:11 AM, Swizzle said:

How do you define, actualize, the power grab?  Is the power grab you speak of more defined as: pandemic enabling more mail in voting, thus leaning a certain way? More dependency on gov't by saving a person from paying their student loans? Forbearance of home loans/financial choice(s)? To experiment with the boundaries or gov't control/power of our American system of governance? ....how, or how else is actualized?

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the WEF and WHO. that's where your power grab is happening. US domestic politics are a smoke screen and they're just actors executing the script that the people who hold real money are writing

[Danger41]

Out of all this Covid stuff, my favorite part was back when that F-35 crashed on landing on the carrier and the narrative was the pilot said something like “damn vaccine!” That was some funny shit.

Anyhow, back to your regular scheduled programming.

[HeloDude]

  On 1/16/2023 at 1:29 PM, nsplayr said:

Dudes, again, there’s no grand conspiracy.

Occam’s razor - it’s always fog of war, happenstance, bad SA, and incompetence. Very very rarely is there an actual conspiracy. Over and over again throughout history this has been true. Being a military member you know full well how unorganized and grabasstic even our best institutions can be.

Except Epstein definitely didn’t kill himself 😅, that’s the only recently conspiracy theory I unironically believe is true. 

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But Jan 6th is different…or something.

[Guest nsplayr]

  On 1/16/2023 at 3:38 PM, BashiChuni said:

the WEF and WHO. that's where your power grab is happening. US domestic politics are a smoke screen and they're just actors executing the script that the people who hold real money are writing

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See this is what I’m talking about. This is just not the case and most of y’all know it.

Some other things being discussed, yea, that’s just groups of humans organizing themselves for a shared goal. That’s what civilization is fundamentally. Can be toward good ends or bad ones and those definitions depend on your perspective. I vote we encourage and supper the good groups and discourage and work against the bad ones, real ground breaking stuff I know.

What I’m saying is there are not lizard people eating babies and pulling the strings of global power from the WHO or whatever.

If you have any passing familiarity with large organizations you should know that all is extremely unlikely just due to how hard it is to get big orgs to all row in the same direction on completely mundane things, let alone massive secret conspiracies for world domination.

p.s. - ::whispers:: Hail Hydra 🤣

[herkbum]

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[Biff_T]

  On 1/16/2023 at 4:27 PM, Danger41 said:

Out of all this Covid stuff, my favorite part was back when that F-35 crashed on landing on the carrier and the narrative was the pilot said something like “damn vaccine!” That was some funny shit.

Anyhow, back to your regular scheduled programming.

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I'm not a sailor but I have a cousin who was in the Navy for 7 months (currently works at 7/11) and he told me that his cousin Dale saw the MP snorting a few lines of the vaccine before he stepped.   

[ViperMan]

  On 1/15/2023 at 2:51 PM, Negatory said:

We now know that we’re looking at a significantly lower mortality variant with significantly higher spread - the first variant spread slower but had a mortality rate about 10 times higher pre-vaccine. Didn’t know when that was coming.

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  On 1/15/2023 at 2:51 PM, Negatory said:

We understand mortality risks much more completely now (fat and old). We did not know any of these things with significant certainty for a long time.

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  On 1/15/2023 at 2:51 PM, Negatory said:

You’ll also note that many folks on here changed our minds on many policies as more data emerged. As folks got vaccinated and mortality decreased and transmission reduction efforts clearly failed, many folks like me changed our opinions.

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No. No. No. No. No. And no. We knew all those things and more. And moreover, the historical record in this very thread is still available for those who care to go back and read it. People here knew the mortality rates were getting blown out of all proportion. How did they know? It wasn't because they were conspiracy nuts. It was because they looked at and compared diverse data sets, examined how certain groups were behaving and listened to what they were saying, and taking in the totality of all that, made a more accurate deduction.

Plenty of others were willing to just take the properly-credentialed authorities' opinions and run with them, sans critical thinking.

I'm glad you've revised your view "now" that "more" data is in - and respect that you have the balls to publicly admit at least that much. If you dare look back further, however, you'll notice that the data to make that same determination was present then, as well. History is not confirming for you that other people "guessed" right. We more thoroughly analyzed the data available and made a more correct assessment.

[Lord Ratner]

We knew that COVID targeted fat old people from what, January 2020? We knew it didn't affect kids either by the time we went into lockdown in March. We knew it spreads almost entirely indoors by April, because I remember the Florida beach controversy. 

Nearly everything we "learned" about COVID after the summer of 2020 involved an "expert" prediction that proved inaccurate. 

[brabus]

Mid-summer 2020 is a good line for enough data available to call with near 100% accurately everything that has happened and is “just now” coming up. Prior to that I’ll give anyone a pass, after that people were simply lacking critical thinking skills, too lazy to research beyond media headlines and “expert” talking points, prioritized emotions over logic, politically polarized to the point they’ll happily walk off the cliff if that’s what the party says to do, etc. For those who woke up late and acknowledged it, good for them. I hope they have the maturity to do a self-debrief and identify how they fucked up and what they can do next time to avoid the same mistake. Because there absolutely will be a next time. 

[BashiChuni]

  On 1/16/2023 at 6:06 PM, nsplayr said:

See this is what I’m talking about. This is just not the case and most of y’all know it.

Some other things being discussed, yea, that’s just groups of humans organizing themselves for a shared goal. That’s what civilization is fundamentally. Can be toward good ends or bad ones and those definitions depend on your perspective. I vote we encourage and supper the good groups and discourage and work against the bad ones, real ground breaking stuff I know.

What I’m saying is there are not lizard people eating babies and pulling the strings of global power from the WHO or whatever.

If you have any passing familiarity with large organizations you should know that all is extremely unlikely just due to how hard it is to get big orgs to all row in the same direction on completely mundane things, let alone massive secret conspiracies for world domination.

p.s. - ::whispers:: Hail Hydra 🤣

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You have nothing but insults to dispute what I’m saying. THIS is the power grab I’m talking about. 

[BashiChuni]

So you think the WEF or WHO has zero influence in the affairs of nation states? That’s a very naive take and one that the head of the WEF disputes. 

[Guest nsplayr]

It's not "zero influence" and it's not "lizard people pulling all the strings on a world-wide conspiracy." They're an organization of people working toward certain outcomes you may or may not agree with at any one time. I wouldn't even call the WEF and WHO particularly overly powerful organizations all things considered. Nowhere near the CCP, Vladimir Putin's random whims, the Fed and ECB, or the U.S. executive branch for example.

You're just not making a super compelling case that Børge Brende, head of the WEF for the last 5 years and who I had to google despite having several degrees & above average interest in international studies, is some kind of incredibly powerful overlord actually controlling Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, Xi Jinping, Ursula von der Leyen, etc.

I mean the guy looks like a total dweeb or what you would get if you asked an AI to generate an image of a Norwegian politician.

And I will happily, mercilessly mock people who believe in wildly bullshittenous conspiracy theories because it's fun and funny, I'm not that sorry. Fear, sarcasm, and ridicule...it's truly an all-time great combo for getting some folks to learn.

Edited January 18, 2023 by nsplayr

[Guest nsplayr]

And if you're upset with the rich continuing to amass ever growings and disproportionate sums of wealth, there's one weird trick that you have to see to believe!

It's called tax the rich.

I'm super on board with discussing the best ways we can do that without overly damaging the capitalist economic engine that has put our country and our allies on top, but this is weird thread to do that in since it has nothing to do with COVID.

[Guardian]

  On 1/18/2023 at 1:29 AM, nsplayr said:

And if you're upset with the rich continuing to amass ever growings and disproportionate sums of wealth, there's one weird trick that you have to see to believe!
It's called tax the rich.
I'm super on board with discussing the best ways we can do that without overly damaging the capitalist economic engine that has put our country and our allies on top, but this is weird thread to do that in since it has nothing to do with COVID.

Really wish we could thumbs down in this app.

[FLEA]

  On 1/18/2023 at 1:29 AM, nsplayr said:

And if you're upset with the rich continuing to amass ever growings and disproportionate sums of wealth, there's one weird trick that you have to see to believe!

It's called tax the rich.

I'm super on board with discussing the best ways we can do that without overly damaging the capitalist economic engine that has put our country and our allies on top, but this is weird thread to do that in since it has nothing to do with COVID.

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The problem with taxing the rich is that wealth isn't redistributed back to my pocket, lol. It just goes to into some needless government project designed to enrich some other asshole running some contractor gig. 

[Guardian]

The top 5% of us tax payers pay almost 60% of the total taxes collected. Tax the rich is super misguided and foolish. Money gained from easy handouts departs as easy. Would rather teach people how to become rich.

Generation wealth is a red herring also. “Figures from Gobankingrates show that 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the next generation, with 90% losing it the generation after that.”

https://fortune.com/recommends/article/generational-wealth-explained/#

Quit wasting time complaining about people who have figured it out and go try and learn yourself.

[Guest nsplayr]

  On 1/18/2023 at 3:48 AM, Guardian said:

Really wish we could thumbs down in this app.

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You can 🤷‍♂️ While you’re at it, ask bashi why it’s bad that the lizard people at the WEF are instructing their wealthy minions to Hoover up all the wealth extra-hard over the last two years…‘twas not I that brought this up as a problem to be solved.

 

Edited January 20, 2023 by nsplayr

[pawnman]

  On 1/18/2023 at 1:09 AM, BashiChuni said:

You have nothing but insults to dispute what I’m saying. THIS is the power grab I’m talking about. 

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"The rich executed a huge transfer of wealth to themselves over the last two years! "

"So let's tax it and use it to benefit the poor"

"Fuck you, the rich already pay enough in taxes!"

I guess I'm not following the argument. What would you like to do to remedy this situation?