COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

https://portal.ct.gov/vaccine-portal/vaccine-knowledge-base/categories/covid-19-vaccine/boosters-and-third-doses?language=en_US

So am I reading this right in that you should be getting COVID boosters every 5 months?  

If you're not getting injected right now (sts) it's already too late...

[brabus]

8 hours ago, ViperMan said:

If you're not getting injected right now (sts) it's already too late...

[Biff_T]

11 hours ago, uhhello said:

https://portal.ct.gov/vaccine-portal/vaccine-knowledge-base/categories/covid-19-vaccine/boosters-and-third-doses?language=en_US

So am I reading this right in that you should be getting COVID boosters every 5 months?  

I personally recommend getting 2 boosters daily, sometimes 3.   I go to Costco everyday to get mine for free lol.   

[dream big]

4 hours ago, Biff_T said:

I personally recommend getting 2 boosters daily, sometimes 3.   I go to Costco everyday to get mine for free lol.   

And wear two masks, when you’re alone in your car, just in case! 

[gearhog]

It's not over.

Yesterday, the Joe Biden Justice Department petitioned the Supreme Court to hear its case and reinstate its authority to mandate COVID vaccines (and future vaccines) for Federal employees.

[Swizzle]

5 hours ago, gearhog said:

It's not over.

Yesterday, the Joe Biden Justice Department petitioned the Supreme Court to hear its case and reinstate its authority to mandate COVID vaccines (and future vaccines) for Federal employees.

COVI-control-grab round-two - ugh

[tac airlifter]

11 hours ago, gearhog said:

It's not over.

Yesterday, the Joe Biden Justice Department petitioned the Supreme Court to hear its case and reinstate its authority to mandate COVID vaccines (and future vaccines) for Federal employees.

Gearhog you don't understand, Mark1 says no forced vaccination campaign  ever happened and we're conspiracy theorists.  Delete this post, ignore the content, and send a BLM donation stat to attone for your #wrongthink.

[LookieRookie]

I was wrong about the whole vaccine piece. All a scam. My kid never got it though and never will.

[dream big]

On 7/22/2023 at 1:16 PM, gearhog said:

It's not over.

Yesterday, the Joe Biden Justice Department petitioned the Supreme Court to hear its case and reinstate its authority to mandate COVID vaccines (and future vaccines) for Federal employees.

Pfeizer and Moderna came short on their 3rd quarter revenue report it seems. 

[gearhog]

I was just reading the news story about LeBron James, son, Bronny (18) who had a heart attack during a workout.

Then I found that someone compiled a list of all the recent news stories regarding young athletes who collapsed and/or died Apr 2023 and before

https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athletes-suffer-cardiac-arrest-die-after-covid-shot/

[BashiChuni]

the truth will come out

[VMFA187]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

the truth will come out

Agreed, but will those responsible be punished for their actions? 

[brabus]

No one will be punished. And even worse is millions of Americans will be just as retarded and lacking all critical thought during the next “crisis.” Nobody who should learn from this disaster will actually learn anything. 

[Sim]

Those people are evil. 

 

[Day Man]

cool, another conspiracy easily debunked🙄

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-pfizer-covid-vaccine-trial-44-percent-miscarriage-545842340316

[tac airlifter]

4 hours ago, Day Man said:

cool, another conspiracy easily debunked🙄

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-pfizer-covid-vaccine-trial-44-percent-miscarriage-545842340316

Your article does not provide any actual data, it merely alludes to mathematical errors in the assertion that C19 vaccine causes a higher miscarriage risk.  If you want to "debunk the conspiracy" then we'd need to know the number of miscarriages in a non-vaccinated control group compared against the number in the vaccine group, then curate for other factors (lifestyle risk choices, age, overall health, etc.).  This should be easy to debunk given that data exists, I wonder why that wasn't part of your article?
 

The only relevant information your linked article provided for those questions was the Pfizer comment that they did testing and do not assess miscarriage as a risk.  Except they've lied about many things during the pandemic, including efficacy of the shot.   **Edited to add: I did read the linked Sep 21 article claiming to prove no relation between vaccine and miscarriage; too old & not good enough, I want the Pfizer study data.**
 

So good luck debunking conspiracies, I mean that genuinely.  But denial & counter-accusation does not actually debunk it.  Release of all raw testing data might. The appeal to authority is unconvincing in light of complete failure, uncovered deception and corruption by the authorities.  

Edited August 28, 2023 by tac airlifter

[Day Man]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Your article does not provide any actual data

as opposed to said tweet? lol ok bro

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Your article does not provide any actual data, it merely alludes to mathematical errors in the assertion that C19 vaccine causes a higher miscarriage risk.  If you want to "debunk the conspiracy" then we'd need to know the number of miscarriages in a non-vaccinated control group compared against the number in the vaccine group, then curate for other factors (lifestyle risk choices, age, overall health, etc.).  This should be easy to debunk given that data exists, I wonder why that wasn't part of your article?
 

The only relevant information your linked article provided for those questions was the Pfizer comment that they did testing and do not assess miscarriage as a risk.  Except they've lied about many things during the pandemic, including efficacy of the shot.   **Edited to add: I did read the linked Sep 21 article claiming to prove no relation between vaccine and miscarriage; too old & not good enough, I want the Pfizer study data.**
 

So good luck debunking conspiracies, I mean that genuinely.  But denial & counter-accusation does not actually debunk it.  Release of all raw testing data might. The appeal to authority is unconvincing in light of complete failure, uncovered deception and corruption by the authorities.  

The burden of proof rests with the person making the assertion. What evidence do you have that the vaccines did cause all these additional miscarriages? Aside from counting multiple instances in the report twice to get a more alarming number, that is? 

[tac airlifter]

6 hours ago, pawnman said:

The burden of proof rests with the person making the assertion. What evidence do you have that the vaccines did cause all these additional miscarriages? Aside from counting multiple instances in the report twice to get a more alarming number, that is? 

You're quite right, the burden of proof rests with the person making the assertion.  The assertion made is that we must get vaccinated, it is the safe & effective way to "stop the spread."  You should be prepared to convince a pregnant mom, not presume to order her.  
 

You pro-vaccine zealots don't get it; 100% of the burden to prove vaccine validity is on you.  This isn't a tit for tat discussion, you need overwhelming evidence from impartial sources and total data transparency or no one will believe you.  You don't have it.  Would you  force your wife to take the clot shot while pregnant if risk of miscarriage increase was only 1%?  Which is greater: the risk a young woman will have and spread covid so severe it threatens her life and others, or the risk this shot will harm her unborn baby?

Since you can't answer those question, you shouldn't be shaming people misreading data to err on the side of cautious prenatal care.  

Edited August 28, 2023 by tac airlifter

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

You're quite right, the burden of proof rests with the person making the assertion.  The assertion made is that we must get vaccinated, it is the safe & effective way to "stop the spread."  You should be prepared to convince a pregnant mom, not presume to order her.  
 

You pro-vaccine zealots don't get it; 100% of the burden to prove vaccine validity is on you.  This isn't a tit for tat discussion, you need overwhelming evidence from impartial sources and total data transparency or no one will believe you.  You don't have it.  Would you  force your wife to take the clot shot while pregnant if risk of miscarriage increase was only 1%?  Which is greater: the risk a young woman will have and spread covid so severe it threatens her life and others, or the risk this shot will harm her unborn baby?

Since you can't answer those question, you shouldn't be shaming people misreading data to err on the side of cautious prenatal care.  

Ah. "I don't like the vaccines, I can make up anything I want and it's on you to prove me wrong".

You guys are about as coherent as flat earthers with your arguments. 

For what it's worth, I don't think the vaccines should be mandatory for anyone and I'll even give you the point that they don't work nearly as well as advertised. I think you hurt your own argument when you completely make up new, scary side-effects that aren't supported by the data.

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

I think you hurt your own argument when you completely make up new, scary side-effects that aren't supported by the data.

The "data" doesn't support all the young athletes dying suddenly, yet it's plain as day that's exactly what's happening.

turns out when you lie to people, they don't trust you.  I notice you didn't engage on whether you'd have your pregnant wife/sister/daughter get vaxed and boosted.  I don't blame you for avoiding the question, it's quite uncomfortable to realize you're the bad guy in a narrative.

Edited August 28, 2023 by tac airlifter

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

The "data" doesn't support all the young athletes dying suddenly, yet it's plain as day that's exactly what's happening.

turns out when you lie to people, they don't trust you.  I notice you didn't engage on whether you'd have your pregnant wife/sister/daughter get vaxed and boosted.  I don't blame you for avoiding the question, it's quite uncomfortable to realize you're the bad guy in a narrative.

So...a couple high profile cases are more compelling to you than any actual statistical data?

I'm not going to keep arguing it with you. You've found a topic you're passionate about, and you won't be convinced otherwise. Unlike you, I can be convinced by data...and it turns out there's a lot of studies that show people who hold emotional views not only can't be swayed by data, they actually just dig in as you present data contrary to their opinion.

Dont get vaccinated. Don't get your kids vaccinated. I don't care.

[tac airlifter]

1 minute ago, pawnman said:

Dont get vaccinated. Don't get your kids vaccinated. I don't care.

Awesome, we finally agree! And I don't care how many boosters you take or how often you double mask your kids.  Have at it.  

Freedom of choice has traditionally been a shared value in the US; it's only recently tyrants tried forcing us rather than convincing us.  If you've switched away from the mandate cultists, then I welcome you on the side of freedom regardless of your opinion on vaccine efficacy.  Live and let live.

[RedEye1911]

35 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

Awesome, we finally agree! And I don't care how many boosters you take or how often you double mask your kids.  Have at it.  

Freedom of choice has traditionally been a shared value in the US; it's only recently tyrants tried forcing us rather than convincing us.  If you've switched away from the mandate cultists, then I welcome you on the side of freedom regardless of your opinion on vaccine efficacy.  Live and let live.

I really don't think they understand that the problem was the vaccine being forced on people, not that there was a vaccine.

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

Awesome, we finally agree! And I don't care how many boosters you take or how often you double mask your kids.  Have at it.  

Freedom of choice has traditionally been a shared value in the US; it's only recently tyrants tried forcing us rather than convincing us.  If you've switched away from the mandate cultists, then I welcome you on the side of freedom regardless of your opinion on vaccine efficacy.  Live and let live.

Great. I was never on the side of the mandate cultists. You guys have just decided that anyone who doesn't believe the vaccines will sterilize you daughters and kill your sons must be on the side of mandates.

I was on the side of "get the vaccine so we can get back to normal". I've been bitterly disappointed at the long-term efficacy of the vaccines. I don't believe they are any more dangerous or damaging than any of the dozens of vaccines already on the vaccination schedule.

Now, before someone drags up previous posts for a "gotcha" moment, I want to make a distinction. I believe Biden and the DoD had the legal authority to order service members to get vaccinated. That doesn't mean I think it was a good idea. I NEVER supported the idea of a nation-wide mandate for the vaccines.