COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[VMFA187]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

I don't know why Fauci isnt fired yet to be honest. 

The message from the beginning of the pandemic should have been consistent. "Americans should be prepared to live with social distancing for a few years but we will do everything possible to end the pandemic as soon as possible." Instead we got remarks like "2 weeks to flatten the curve" and "we will be back to normal life in the fall." Fauci is terrible because he doesn't understand the #1 rule of BO.net. Never pass up an opportunity to stfu. And everytime he says something, nature has its way and makes him look like an ass. 

 

 

They can't - The far left take his word as gospel and only the far left continue to feel that Biden is doing a satisfactory job. If this administration fired him they would lose their most ardent supporters while gaining very little from the rest of the population who feel that this administration is failing.

Who would have bought into that slogan? I know a fair amount of people and only one has been hospitalized from covid - I wouldn't be willing to "social distance for a few years" from what I've seen. With that said, I know that some here have experienced loss and for that I do sympathize. But I would not and will not give up years of my life to provide a larger margin of safety for those who have already chosen to condemn themselves by way of their years of poor decision-making as it relates to diet and healthy lifestyles.

They made their bed, they can sleep in it. Don't expect others to subsidize your poor past decisions. 

[Sim]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/arc38wavyy7pjkh/CCCA - Pfizer Trial Breakdown -The COVID-19 Inoculations -More Harm Than Good (Dec. 15%2C 2021).pdf?dl=0

"Safe and effective" 🙄

[TheNewGazmo]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/arc38wavyy7pjkh/CCCA - Pfizer Trial Breakdown -The COVID-19 Inoculations -More Harm Than Good (Dec. 15%2C 2021).pdf?dl=0
"Safe and effective" 

Yes, but let's just ignore all that and keep pushing the vax campaign because the C19 vaxxer clan has so much data to contradict the above report...

[BashiChuni]

i think LIE-zer has spent north of 2 billion on their vax....they must push it with government help. cant just develop a product for billions and then turn that off

[Prozac]

4 hours ago, Sim said:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/arc38wavyy7pjkh/CCCA - Pfizer Trial Breakdown -The COVID-19 Inoculations -More Harm Than Good (Dec. 15%2C 2021).pdf?dl=0

"Safe and effective" 🙄

Ah yes, the “Canadian Covid Care Alliance”. With an innocuous name like that, they must surely be a credible organization. Or not: https://factcheck.afp.com/canadian-doctors-make-inaccurate-covid-19-claims-video

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Ah yes, the “Canadian Covid Care Alliance”. With an innocuous name like that, they must surely be a credible organization. Or not: https://factcheck.afp.com/canadian-doctors-make-inaccurate-covid-19-claims-video

I know nothing of the CCCA, but if we're attacking organizations based on who they are vs what they're saying, we are probably masking a weak position. Remember, the WHO is not allowed to acknowledge that Taiwan is an independent nation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM). That in and of itself means they have at least some level of inside political discourse - which indicates their positions and policies are beholden to those same politics. I suppose that discredits them in your eyes, right?

[Negatory]

We’ll just have to wait and see on cases. I am certain we’ll hit 1.0M, although many of those cases won’t be tested. Probably see 600-700k confirmed cases a day is my bet, with 40-60% not detected due to either being asymptomatic or mild.

In the spirit of keeping up with the science, preliminary data used in studies shows that while Omicron is super contagious, it is significantly less bad from an individual outcome perspective. Maybe this will be a blessing to finally get everyone immunity, whether you want it or not.

https://mynorthwest.com/3289906/uw-modelers-project-3-billion-new-covid-19-cases-by-february/

“UW researchers said the omicron hospitalization rate is between 4 and 10% that of delta, and that the fatality rate is 1 to 3% that of delta.”

Also, rates like that - up to 10-20 times less likely to be hospitalized or 30-100 times less likely to die - make it almost false reporting to even call this disease COVID. Because it is not very similar to Delta.

Legitimately, if these estimates turn out to be true, it will be significantly less bad for an individual than the flu. Only question is, will the hospital system in America be able to deal with 60-140M people getting “the flu” in the next few months?

[TheNewGazmo]

And with that (the flu) being mentioned, our national flu "vaccine" coverage is only 43.4% (according to the CDC). Why aren't people being admonished and highlighted on national media for not getting their flu jab to "flatten the curve"?

[Prozac]

13 hours ago, ViperMan said:

I know nothing of the CCCA, but if we're attacking organizations based on who they are vs what they're saying, we are probably masking a weak position. Remember, the WHO is not allowed to acknowledge that Taiwan is an independent nation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlCYFh8U2xM). That in and of itself means they have at least some level of inside political discourse - which indicates their positions and policies are beholden to those same politics. I suppose that discredits them in your eyes, right?

So your retort basically boils down to “waddabout the WHO?” and doesn’t address the shaky credibility of the organization actually in question?  All while making assumptions about my own views on the WHO (which I have made zero comments on).  Got it. This is how dumbed down debate has become in our society. 

Edited December 24, 2021 by Prozac
Punctuation is hard.

[BashiChuni]

8 minutes ago, Prozac said:

So your retort basically boils down to “waddabout the WHO?” and doesn’t address the shaky credibility of the organization actually in question?  All while making assumptions about my own views on the WHO (which I have made zero comments on).  Got it. This is how dumbed down debate has become in our society. 

I clicked on the “fact check” link you posted above. First paragraph: “But public health experts said it includes misleading claims about variants of the disease and immunity”

 

here’s the problem. Public health “experts” have been wrong. California public health experts told people to stay off the beach. To not walk on outdoor trails. To bulldoze sand and fill in skate parks. To lock up basketball hoops. To close down outdoor dining (reference tin flats CA). Public health “experts” said trust us it’s only two weeks to slow the spread. Just flatten the curve that’s all. The nations leading public health “expert” went on national television and said masks are not required. Lol. 
 

so pardon my French but public health “experts” have been full of shit from day one. Not one ounce of humility from any “expert”. Not one ounce of “wow we were wrong”. 
 

so the Canadian doctors who are part of that alliance have just as much (if not more) credibility than your so called fact checking experts. 

[BashiChuni]

Public health experts are advocating in some states to discriminate the unvaxed from hospitals, grocery stores, malls, etc. public health experts are cheering about digital vaccine passports. 
 

these experts are full of it. 

[BashiChuni]

Also public health experts said this is a epidemic of the “unvaccinated”

 

oops. Wrong again. 

[BashiChuni]

So how ANYONE still puts their full faith and trust in these so called experts is beyond me. 
 

maybe you’re the one who is blind/deceived. 
 

 

[BashiChuni]

Hell public health “experts” got twitter to ban “misinformation” such as asymptomatic individuals DO NOT spread COVID. If you pushed that out on twitter watch out for the ban hammer. 
 

fast forward. Oops! Looks like there’s a case for that POV. From which conspiracy theorist!? 
 

oh just the fucking NFL. You know, those WACK JOBS. 

 

 

[Prozac]

Ahhh, so “public health experts have been wrong” = we should instead put our full faith in whatever “alternative” media that comes across our twitter feeds. You guys make some air tight arguments. 

[BashiChuni]

8 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Ahhh, so “public health experts have been wrong” = we should instead put our full faith in whatever “alternative” media that comes across our twitter feeds. You guys make some air tight arguments. 

They’re fucking doctors

just as air tight as you sucking the tit of any government spokesman pushing their narrative on mainstream media. 

Edited December 24, 2021 by BashiChuni

[dream big]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

Public health experts are advocating in some states to discriminate the unvaxed from hospitals, grocery stores, malls, etc. public health experts are cheering about digital vaccine passports. 
 

these experts are full of it. 

Fear and ridicule are excellent persuasion tactics though! The Air Force has taught me that.

[Prozac]

2 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

They’re fucking doctors

just as air tight as you sucking the tit of any government spokesman pushing their narrative on mainstream media. 

Cool. And here are some scientists that believe in creationism: 

https://isgenesishistory.com/7-scientists-explain-why-they-are-creationists/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhcjz35v99AIVQwPnCh2VjwAnEAMYASAAEgKSw_D_BwE

I could also point you in the direction of some pilots who believe the earth is flat, biologists who believe in Bigfoot, astronomers who believe the moon landing was faked, etc, etc. Do they have equal credibility because of their credentials? Look, I’m not saying there aren’t issues with mainstream science and/or media. But when someone is arguing outside of  what is generally accepted by the mainstream, that tends to be a red flag and they better back it up with some extraordinary proof. The chances that you’ve stumbled upon some brilliant doctor on social media who spews truth and is too base for the “lame stream” are pretty slim. 

[bfargin]

There are all kinds of idiots who claim to believe in macroevolution despite no scientific evidence to support that "theory". So I agree Prozac, just because someone has an MD or PhD label behind their name doesn't mean they critically think.

[VMFA187]

5 hours ago, Prozac said:

Cool. And here are some scientists that believe in creationism: 

https://isgenesishistory.com/7-scientists-explain-why-they-are-creationists/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhcjz35v99AIVQwPnCh2VjwAnEAMYASAAEgKSw_D_BwE

I could also point you in the direction of some pilots who believe the earth is flat, biologists who believe in Bigfoot, astronomers who believe the moon landing was faked, etc, etc. Do they have equal credibility because of their credentials? Look, I’m not saying there aren’t issues with mainstream science and/or media. But when someone is arguing outside of  what is generally accepted by the mainstream, that tends to be a red flag and they better back it up with some extraordinary proof. The chances that you’ve stumbled upon some brilliant doctor on social media who spews truth and is too base for the “lame stream” are pretty slim. 

Every MD in California was sent a notification that stated they could lose their certification by the California Medical Board stating that they would potentially lose their license if they provided documentation for any waiver for the vaccine that was outside of the realm of "a demonstrated allergic reaction to ingredients in the vaccine." 

Several studies have shown, for specific segments of the population, the risks outweigh the benefits. For those who have epilepsy, 4% who received a vaccine experienced more frequent or more severe seizure activity. If you were in that population would you think you should be granted a medical exemption?

Legitimate question. 

[ViperMan]

10 hours ago, Prozac said:

So your retort basically boils down to “waddabout the WHO?” and doesn’t address the shaky credibility of the organization actually in question?  All while making assumptions about my own views on the WHO (which I have made zero comments on).  Got it. This is how dumbed down debate has become in our society. 

I guess, but not really? I was really just making a point about how people love to discredit a person or a group of people vs. engaging with the idea and addressing it directly - something I think you were doing by referencing that website. Boy cries wolf. Broken clock is right twice per day. The emperor is wearing no clothes. Whatever. Plenty of allegories illuminate our tendency to miss the truth intentionally or accidentally. Either way, I think a better way to engage is to look at the object, vs look at what someone else is saying about the object because no matter what, you're taking it through their filter.

Honestly, I think we have all lost the thread of what we're talking about. What are we all even arguing about anymore?

6 hours ago, Prozac said:

Cool. And here are some scientists that believe in creationism: 

https://isgenesishistory.com/7-scientists-explain-why-they-are-creationists/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhcjz35v99AIVQwPnCh2VjwAnEAMYASAAEgKSw_D_BwE

I could also point you in the direction of some pilots who believe the earth is flat, biologists who believe in Bigfoot, astronomers who believe the moon landing was faked, etc, etc. Do they have equal credibility because of their credentials? Look, I’m not saying there aren’t issues with mainstream science and/or media. But when someone is arguing outside of what is generally accepted by the mainstream, that tends to be a red flag and they better back it up with some extraordinary proof. The chances that you’ve stumbled upon some brilliant doctor on social media who spews truth and is too base for the “lame stream” are pretty slim. 

People are right/wrong about different things to varying degrees. Bottom line, proof is proof. Calling it "extraordinary" is much more a statement knowledge state of an individual, rather than a statement about the evidence itself. Plenty of good pilots have crashed good airplanes - you know this. Does that make them bad pilots, or people who made a mistake? Again, it's just better to address the topic rather than the person/group.

[Prozac]

37 minutes ago, ViperMan said:

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

Every MD in California was sent a notification that stated they could lose their certification by the California Medical Board stating that they would potentially lose their license if they provided documentation for any waiver for the vaccine that was outside of the realm of "a demonstrated allergic reaction to ingredients in the vaccine." 

Reference? That’s absolutely concerning if true, but I’d be willing to bet there’s more to it than that. I certainly could be wrong, but I hope not. 

 

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

Several studies have shown, for specific segments of the population, the risks outweigh the benefits. For those who have epilepsy, 4% who received a vaccine experienced more frequent or more severe seizure activity. If you were in that population would you think you should be granted a medical exemption?

Legitimate question. 

I’m not in that group & am not conversant on the topic of specific medical exemptions. However, if my physician were in fact insistent that I should not receive any of the Covid vaccines, frankly, yes, I would expect a legitimate medical exemption. I’ve never argued there should be no exemptions, period dot. I do believe a vast majority of exemption requests are based on utter bullshit however. 

[Lord Ratner]

So, just so I know what we're actually arguing about, does anybody still support mandates? Not the military, because if I learned one thing in the military it's that the senior leaders are either morons, or "good dudes" who aren't willing to fall on their swords because they're lying to themselves about how bad they want the next promotion. Let's just focus on mandates for the general population.

 

If I had been granted godlike powers I couldn't have made a more hilarious evolution, going from Alpha to Delta, which effectively negated the benefits of mandates, seeing that the Delta evolution wasn't enough to convince the disciplinarians that mandates weren't enough, so then we get omicron, which is fantastically contagious regardless of your vaccination status. Yet still people are arguing for mandates? Just tell me what the mandate is supposed to accomplish, *and* the minimum statistical improvement in that metric for you to feel like compelled action is justified. 

 

I asked this question since the beginning of the pandemic, and none of the "pro-mandate" crowd has ever answered it. What is the metric for when this shit is over? What is the limiting principle?

 

Fauci said that we might never stop wearing masks on planes. Are people so wedded to their tribe now that they can't see the insanity of even considering that possibility?

[Sim]

 

 

[DosXX]

6 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Just tell me what the mandate is supposed to accomplish, *and* the minimum statistical improvement in that metric for you to feel like compelled action is justified. 

 

I asked this question since the beginning of the pandemic, and none of the "pro-mandate" crowd has ever answered it. What is the metric for when this shit is over? What is the limiting principle?

Hospitalization/death rate with no countermeasures less than or equal to the flu rate is an clear line you could point to. Suspect next variant will be there already.