COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[Prozac]

I think there’s a realization, a political realization, that there is only so much people will put up with. If I had to hazard a WAG it would be that the public health officials are urging more stringent measures than the current administration is willing to implement. This decision may be based on political expediency, considerations of second and third order effects of strict lockdowns, or most likely a combination of the above. In any case, it seems to me that the government is acting in an entirely expected way, which is to say they are taking data from public health, political, cultural, and economic sources and attempting to consider all of the above when creating policy. 

[BashiChuni]

"data". ha.

theyve been wrong about the entire god damn thing with not one fucking ounce of humility. fuck them.

[Sim]

 

[BashiChuni]

BEHOLD WHAT ONCE GOT PEOPLE BANNED FROM TWITTER IS NOW OFFICIAL NEW CDC POLICY!!!

 

WE MUST TRUST THE EXPERTS AND NEVER QUESTION THEM!!!

[BashiChuni]

“Newly updated guidelines” is code for “we were wrong and we were putting out incorrect information”

 

case and point why it’s disgusting that the left and some of you in here have been cheering censorship of “bad data”. GFYS

Edited December 29, 2021 by BashiChuni

[Pooter]

@Sim As riveting as trump campaign copypasta is, what exactly would he have done differently to prevent the deaths numbers seen over the course of 2021?

What exactly does dick measuring death numbers between trump and Biden accomplish? They had different variants to deal with and the disease wasn't even close to endemic during trump's term.  

In my view the only thing the trump admin did right was funneling money to big pharma to quickly develop and roll out a vaccine.  Other than that his public health messaging was a complete horse abortion.

Bottom line, it's easy to sling shit once you're not in charge anymore. But highly I doubt if we had another year of trump that we'd be in any different of a place than we are now. Republican and Democrat administrations have both shown they are utterly incapable of controlling this pandemic in any way. 

[Swizzle]

12 minutes ago, Pooter said:

@Sim As riveting as trump campaign copypasta is, what exactly would he have done differently to prevent the deaths numbers seen over the course of 2021?

What exactly does dick measuring death numbers between trump and Biden accomplish? They had different variants to deal with and the disease wasn't even close to endemic during trump's term.  

In my view the only thing the trump admin did right was funneling money to big pharma to quickly develop and roll out a vaccine.  Other than that his public health messaging was a complete horse abortion.

Bottom line, it's easy to sling shit once you're not in charge anymore. But highly I doubt if we had another year of trump that we'd be in any different of a place than we are now. Republican and Democrat administrations have both shown they are utterly incapable of controlling this pandemic in any way. 

If neither can control it, why mandate things (i.e. isolation and inthat can hurt people's health/careers/lives? Why control people and instead let people control themselves if it makes little to no difference? Is not freer choice better than lessor, fewer choice(s)?

[Pooter]

27 minutes ago, Swizzle said:

If neither can control it, why mandate things (i.e. isolation and inthat can hurt people's health/careers/lives? Why control people and instead let people control themselves if it makes little to no difference? Is not freer choice better than lessor, fewer choice(s)?

Absolutely agree. But the wall of text sim so graciously provided us implies throughout that trump could have controlled the virus better.  Which is abject nonsense. 

[Sim]

39 minutes ago, Pooter said:

what exactly would he have done differently to prevent the deaths numbers seen over the course of 2021?

Zelenko protocol pills available in every store for anyone to buy. Just this would save at least 80% (IMHO 99%)  of deaths and keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. This information was available a year ago and ignored. 

 

https://faculty.utrgv.edu/eleftherios.gkioulekas/zelenko/ZelenkoProtocol.pdf

But USG do not suggest out patient treatments of any kind. They also ignore science that natural immunity exist. 

....FJB! (and FDT too) 

 

[timberlin]

1 hour ago, BashiChuni said:

“Newly updated guidelines” is code for “we were wrong and we were putting out incorrect information”

 

case and point why it’s disgusting that the left and some of you in here have been cheering censorship of “bad data”. GFYS

The foundation of the scientific method is that nothing, including the fundamental laws of science, are immune to inquiry.  Ideas only become more elevated and accepted after passing through rigorous skepticism; strong skepticism was celebrated as it is the essential conduit to bring us nearer to absolute truths .  Unfortunately, what we've seen is anything but that.

The highly visible and open inquiry into what C19 is and how to fight it has left scientific community with lots of egg on its face.  In lieu of exploring legitimate probes, anything that dared to question the core narrative was labeled as "dangerous," cast aside as a wacko conspiracy theory, and subsequently scrubbed from the public forums.  Scientists cozied up to politics instead of remaining the separate and unbiased sources they claim to be.  Instead of being agile and adaptive, this new rigid path failed to respond quickly and appropriately.  The crux of this all is that this deviation from the fundamental ideals of the scientific method has only proven how essential it is to keep to it in the first place.  The hubris of the community and it's complete reluctance to appropriately debrief and self-correct greatly exasperated the failures we saw in our responses.  What we are seeing now is that scientists are finally beginning to look into theories that were brought up (and quickly disregarded) over a year ago that could have provided invaluable information into appropriate policy construction.  It's impossible to know what kind of impact this would have made, but I fail to see how the availability of more correct information could lead to worse outcomes.

Whenever we get on the backside of this, the public trust in the scientific community has been significantly damaged and it will take some time to gain it back.  But, what do I know, maybe there's some new science they're teaching since I finished grad school. 

[Pooter]

16 minutes ago, Sim said:

Zelenko protocol pills available in every store for anyone to buy. Just this would save at least 80% (IMHO 99%)  of deaths and keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. This information was available a year ago and ignored. 

 

https://faculty.utrgv.edu/eleftherios.gkioulekas/zelenko/ZelenkoProtocol.pdf

But USG do not suggest out patient treatments of any kind. They also ignore science that natural immunity exist. 

....FJB! (and FDT too) 

 

Your attachment says these protocol recommendations existed in June of 2020. By my count that leaves 7 months of trump presidency to boost manufacturing and distribution of these miracle pills. So why didn't he? They created and distributed a vaccine in a year, shouldn't distributing a cocktail of existing medications be a much easier lift?  It's almost like it's easy to sling crap about what you would've done with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. 
 

Oh and maybe just maybe people would have taken these therapeutics more seriously at the time if trump's communications hadn't been the clown show of the century. 

[Sim]

10 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Oh and maybe just maybe people would have taken these therapeutics more seriously at the time if trump's communications hadn't been the clown show of the century. 

I'm not supporting either administration. This info was available during Trump and Biden time, yet people had to resort to eating f__king horse dewormer because USG refused to acknowledge (and still do) that any treatment exists other than a "vax". In what sane world do you have to sue hospitals to allow ivermectin treatment because docs do not want to vector not even an inch from CDC guidance? Honk honk! 🤡 

[ViperMan]

19 hours ago, Prozac said:

I think there’s a realization, a political realization, that there is only so much people will put up with. If I had to hazard a WAG it would be that the public health officials are urging more stringent measures than the current administration is willing to implement. This decision may be based on political expediency, considerations of second and third order effects of strict lockdowns, or most likely a combination of the above. In any case, it seems to me that the government is acting in an entirely expected way, which is to say they are taking data from public health, political, cultural, and economic sources and attempting to consider all of the above when creating policy. 

Fine. But are YOU ok with those things I've listed, and if so, why? If not, why not? What is your opinion?

[DosXX]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/12/22/covid-omicron-variant-ihme-models-predict-140-m-new-infections-winter/8967421002/

"Researchers found the infection-hospitalization rate of omicron is about 90% to 96% lower than delta, and the infection-fatality rate is about 97% to 99% lower. In the past, we roughly thought that COVID was 10 times worse than flu and now we have a variant that is probably at least 10 times less severe,” Murray said. So, omicron will probably … be less severe than flu but much more transmissible.”

Lol the left is shitting on the CDC now, still think they're right. I'm team covid parties now I guess. This variant is basically a super spreader cold now and vaccines are widely available. I'm boosted and I'm pretty sure I have it. Everyone popped where I'm at. 

 

[Prosuper]

I wonder if moral waivers were being issued then.

[ViperMan]

2 hours ago, Prosuper said:

I wonder if moral waivers were being issued then.

LOL

"Hey, 2...what the hell's with all the bbq sauce in your helmet bag???"

[Sim]

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In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season.

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

 

Oh, look. PCR test can't differentiate between C19 and flu. 🤡

[Waingro]

2 hours ago, Sim said:

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

 

Oh, look. PCR test can't differentiate between C19 and flu. 🤡

What's it like to read scientific literature, and only understand a small chunk of it? Is it like hearing someone speak Spanish and being able to pick out a few words here and there? Your clown emoji is fitting. 

[Prozac]

19 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Fine. But are YOU ok with those things I've listed, and if so, why? If not, why not? What is your opinion?

Yes I am. I’ve always been in favor of a measured response that takes a wholistic look at how society will be affected by any mitigation measures. I have never been in favor of hard lockdowns or other draconian measures. However, if there are easy things we can do while keeping society running (Note: I realize my definition of “easy” may be different from yours), then I’m generally for them.
 

Wearing a mask on an airplane for instance. While I may find it slightly annoying, the real and yes, perceived, effects of wearing one are a small inconvenience if it means the airline industry can remain whole. Even if you believe it’s mostly theater, potting a piece of cloth over your face for a couple hours is a pretty “easy” measure. I’m almost positive you’ll disagree with my next statement, but I basically feel the same way about vaccination. Even at a “low” effectiveness rate (let’s say 40% effective at preventing disease), in a large group setting, that is orders of magnitude less spread. And while the prophylactic effect of the vaccines may be considered disappointing by some, they still do an excellent job at preventing severe illness and keeping people out of the hospital. Personally, I consider the trade off (sore arm, a day of fatigue) to be well worth the payoff for me personally and society as a whole. 

I do not support such severe measures as hard lockdowns, school closures, severely limiting seating in restaurants, forced small business closures, or shuttering public transportation to name a few. Fortunately we haven’t seen those kinds of measures in the United States for some time now. Some parts of the world, namely many Asian countries, appear to have lost their collective minds indefinitely. Overall, I believe the current mitigation measures in the United States are reasonable and effective given the need to balance public health and allow society to continue to run. 

[Prozac]

6 minutes ago, Waingro said:

What's it like to read scientific literature, and only understand a small chunk of it? Is it like hearing someone speak Spanish and being able to pick out a few words here and there? Your clown emoji is fitting. 

No. Most people listening to a foreign language are capable of realizing they don’t understand most of it. What’s going on here is more akin to a non flying civilian perusing your dash 1 for an hour & then promptly declaring himself an expert in your weapons system. 

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Yes I am. I’ve always been in favor of a measured response that takes a wholistic look at how society will be affected by any mitigation measures. I have never been in favor of hard lockdowns or other draconian measures. However, if there are easy things we can do while keeping society running (Note: I realize my definition of “easy” may be different from yours), then I’m generally for them.
 

Wearing a mask on an airplane for instance. While I may find it slightly annoying, the real and yes, perceived, effects of wearing one are a small inconvenience if it means the airline industry can remain whole. Even if you believe it’s mostly theater, potting a piece of cloth over your face for a couple hours is a pretty “easy” measure. I’m almost positive you’ll disagree with my next statement, but I basically feel the same way about vaccination. Even at a “low” effectiveness rate (let’s say 40% effective at preventing disease), in a large group setting, that is orders of magnitude less spread. And while the prophylactic effect of the vaccines may be considered disappointing by some, they still do an excellent job at preventing severe illness and keeping people out of the hospital. Personally, I consider the trade off (sore arm, a day of fatigue) to be well worth the payoff for me personally and society as a whole. 

I do not support such severe measures as hard lockdowns, school closures, severely limiting seating in restaurants, forced small business closures, or shuttering public transportation to name a few. Fortunately we haven’t seen those kinds of measures in the United States for some time now. Some parts of the world, namely many Asian countries, appear to have lost their collective minds indefinitely. Overall, I believe the current mitigation measures in the United States are reasonable and effective given the need to balance public health and allow society to continue to run. 

The problem with theatre-based policy is that eventually the people you are seeking to control/pacify/motivate/etc become acclimated to theatre and expect it over facts and evidence. Unfortunately, anyone can enter the stage with their own, more interesting theatre, and you lose control of the situation. 

 

Donald Trump is a great example of this phenomenon, both in his rise and fall. The deterioration of race relations in America is another. 

 

Good intentions are never enough to overcome the long term damage of lying. It may be fun to watch Fauci flounder under the weight of his bullshit, but we are all worse off for it. 

[08Dawg]

23 hours ago, Prosuper said:

I wonder if moral waivers were being issued then.

Ah, yes, the consumption memorandum!  Some traditions are still alive. New Buff crew dogs are still being spoofed on their generations with this!

Edited December 31, 2021 by 08Dawg
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[passingtime69]

Yes I am. I’ve always been in favor of a measured response that takes a wholistic look at how society will be affected by any mitigation measures. I have never been in favor of hard lockdowns or other draconian measures. However, if there are easy things we can do while keeping society running (Note: I realize my definition of “easy” may be different from yours), then I’m generally for them.
 
Wearing a mask on an airplane for instance. While I may find it slightly annoying, the real and yes, perceived, effects of wearing one are a small inconvenience if it means the airline industry can remain whole. Even if you believe it’s mostly theater, potting a piece of cloth over your face for a couple hours is a pretty “easy” measure. I’m almost positive you’ll disagree with my next statement, but I basically feel the same way about vaccination. Even at a “low” effectiveness rate (let’s say 40% effective at preventing disease), in a large group setting, that is orders of magnitude less spread. And while the prophylactic effect of the vaccines may be considered disappointing by some, they still do an excellent job at preventing severe illness and keeping people out of the hospital. Personally, I consider the trade off (sore arm, a day of fatigue) to be well worth the payoff for me personally and society as a whole. 
I do not support such severe measures as hard lockdowns, school closures, severely limiting seating in restaurants, forced small business closures, or shuttering public transportation to name a few. Fortunately we haven’t seen those kinds of measures in the United States for some time now. Some parts of the world, namely many Asian countries, appear to have lost their collective minds indefinitely. Overall, I believe the current mitigation measures in the United States are reasonable and effective given the need to balance public health and allow society to continue to run. 

Pretty easy? Dude it’s theater. That’s it and that’s all. If you disagree you’re a cuck.


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[Waingro]

13 minutes ago, passingtime69 said:

Pretty easy? Dude it’s theater. That’s it and that’s all. If you disagree you’re a cuck.


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Middle schools start back to school in a few days, right? Hopefully content like this will decrease once the kids are back in school. 

[passingtime69]

Middle schools start back to school in a few days, right? Hopefully content like this will decrease once the kids are back in school. 

Yeah you’re a cuck too.


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