COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[Pooter]

15 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

1. Have you actually seen the results of those trials or are we still waiting 75 years for the data to be released?

2. VAERS makes you more confident?  Just because I’m dumb and I need help from young people with the Internet, could you please reassure me about the safety of these vaccines by comparing the number of C19 adverse reaction reports to vaccines of the past? I’m sure the numbers are extremely low and this vaccine tests favorably so if you could help me out with that I’d really appreciate it.

3. You trust the CDC, I assume because their guidance has been so consistent throughout this pandemic.except….

4. The CDC is recommending masks but the UK (what I believe is part of your vaunted international community) just abolished mask mandates. The entities you report as trustworthy are in conflict with each other, which means you hold conflicting ideas simultaneously.  “Double think” is the official parlance for the phenomenon you are experiencing.  By the way Africa doesn’t give a fuck about the vaccine and seems to be doing about as well as anyone.  

5. of note on those billions of “safe and effective” doses: in less than a year the definition of “effective” changed from preventing acquisition of Covid to maybe, hopefully lessening the symptoms of Covid (although even that claim is an article of faith) and doing nothing to stop the spread.  Whatever your current definition of “safe,” be prepared for that to change.

look I get it man, you are a believer. More power to you for being honest about your total indoctrination. However, the official narrative is crumbling whether you see it or not, so I wrote the above for those other people who might be lurkers wondering if the anecdotes they’ve seen are isolated incidents.  To them I would say, believe your own experiences. This lie is falling apart, don’t give into the pressure of calling false things real and real things false.  
 

We all went along with the “experts” 1-2 years ago partly because we had to and partly because our default setting was trust the experts.  But suddenly gathering in crowds was OK as long as you were protesting for BLM but not OK to attend church.  Then the lab leak conspiracy grew into the most likely origin, and the people who seemed surprised by Covid and certain the origins were natural turned out to have illegally funded experimentation in a communist Chinese military hospital.  Then you got the vaccine, and got Covid afterwards like I did and wondered what the hell?  Then you saw healthy young people getting heart attacks and thought that seems weird but you were assured it had nothing to do with anything and is totally anomalous. Then we took our masks off for a few months then we put them back on and it made zero difference in terms of the trajectory of the virus.  Now they are telling you to get a booster or a second booster and plan to get boosters forever and plan to wear masks forever and you probably don’t like this world of vaccine passports and stewardesses shouting at you and do not see how the actions we have taken have made things better but everything is quantifiably worse.  When you speak up or mention it people shout you down, call you a Trumper or a science denier and you feel like something about this entire thing just isn’t right.  If this is you, don’t worry bro, the tide is turning.

 

 

You're right I'm just an indoctrinated blind believer.  
 

I should adjust my expectations to be more realistic like you.. that government agencies should be perfectly consistent in their messaging across two administrations over 2+ years, that the international community will be in perfect policy lockstep as they all independently respond to a pandemic, and that medications must remain exactly as effective as they were originally even for variants of a virus that didn't exist when the medication was being developed.  
 

Anything short of perfection on any of these topics is tantamount to a big government cover-up / conspiracy. 

[BashiChuni]

Taking away freedoms is not a conspiracy. 
 

[disgruntledemployee]

2 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Taking away freedoms is not a conspiracy. 
 

But it's unAmerican.

[arg]

Bunch of quacks? The first couple of minutes 

https://futurenews.news/watch?id=61f08a740388fd1a8a6afca9&fbclid=IwAR3PrZmkM_UazWmDENUDLhUTAHwqiSkjPv3vly8ZBpulyLJFZLVWH5kqDN4

Longer version. I haven't watched the whole thing, 5.5 hours.

https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html

 

[Prozac]

This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass. 

[Blue]

3 hours ago, Prozac said:

….stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass. 

This is an interesting thread, but sometimes I wonder which posters are adults, and which are 13 year olds in their parent’s basement.

[glockenspiel]

5 hours ago, Prozac said:

This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass. 

Do you believe that the humans that work at the top of the CDC and FDA re truly there to serve the common good? Who are they beholden too? If they do bad, is there any method for accountability to the public? Are the leaders of the cdc and fda incentivized to hold other things above our individual health? Is there a thick, wide and well lit line between big pharma and the gov?

[Prozac]

7 minutes ago, glockenspiel said:

Do you believe that the humans that work at the top of the CDC and FDA re truly there to serve the common good? Who are they beholden too? If they do bad, is there any method for accountability to the public? Are the leaders of the cdc and fda incentivized to hold other things above our individual health? Is there a thick, wide and well lit line between big pharma and the gov?

Imperfect as the system may be, I believe I'd much rather depend on a taxpayer funded organization subject to oversight by duly elected officials to determine the safety of food and drugs I put in my body vs some yahoo trying to fund his next Lamborghini with youtube clicks.  

[brabus]

7 hours ago, Prozac said:

This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass. 

And that boys and girls is a nice example of a false dichotomy. 

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, Prozac said:

Imperfect as the system may be, I believe I'd much rather depend on a taxpayer funded organization subject to oversight by duly elected officials to determine the safety of food and drugs I put in my body vs some yahoo trying to fund his next Lamborghini with youtube clicks.  

Me too. If I felt as if the bolded above were happening, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.  And it’s not a discussion, it is a one-way issuing of orders to the populace by an unelected organization lacking oversight and motivated by profit.

[TheNewGazmo]

 

[jrizzell]

This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store.

That’s quite the conundrum you present. You either blindly trust that Big Pharma has 100% public interest as their motive, or divorce yourself completely from their products. I don’t know if you’ve read or watched, but the Hulu series Dopesick (and book of same name), illustrated how corrupt the FDA and Pharma can be. But that fact that within one year, the “vaccine” has made them record breaking profits, and the messaging now is three shots + booster. I’m not the smartest man in the world, but something doesn’t pass the smell test.


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[VMFA187]

11 hours ago, Prozac said:

This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass. 

I'm guessing that you're obese because you've been following the old food pyramid most of your life which recommends 11 servings of carbohydrates a day...

[Prozac]

7 hours ago, brabus said:

And that boys and girls is a nice example of a false dichotomy. 

Merely shedding light on the fact that many here are willing to accept these institutions as the gold standard in their day to day without batting an eyelash, yet throw them under the bus when it suits their political agenda. The point seems lost on more than a few. 

[glockenspiel]

21 hours ago, Prozac said:

This Big Pharma argument is so disingenuous. If you refuse to trust pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and the FDA, fine. I have no problem with that. Just be intellectually honest and stop shopping at the grocery store. Stop taking your Tylenol, your Prilosec, and your Viagra. Go grow your own vegetables, raise your own meat, and stop taking all medications. To do anything otherwise means you implicitly trust the system in place and are talking out of your ass. 

Lol See thalidomide, see Tuskegee experiments, see all the recalled drugs in our nations history. I am the only person who has my best interest in mind.  I’m not saying that we shall throw the baby out with the bath water (the FDA and CDC do some good work), but these covid drugs seem much more on the side of thalidomide, than penicillin or Tylenol.

I’ve never seen such targeted adds for the use of Tylenol in children, but for covid they are literally paying children to get vaccinated ( see “kids deserve a shot” website ). State gov agencies have raffled off scholarships, lottery tickets and much more in the name of “public safety”. Doesn’t that smell weird to you? If the medicine was so good shouldn’t you have to pay for it? Oh wait, as a taxpayer we already paid for it via a juicy contract to the tune of 2 billion, and to add insult to injury we paid for all the coercive incentive programs for people to take it. If something seems too good to be true, it usually is.

[glockenspiel]

21 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:

 

@pawnman He probably hasn’t seen the Kentucky study, eh?

[pawnman]

3 hours ago, glockenspiel said:

@pawnman He probably hasn’t seen the Kentucky study, eh?

You realize the study didn't compare vaccination to natural immunity alone, but people infected and vaccinated vs infected and not vaccinated, right?

And that the vaccinated folks were less than half as likely to get reinfected?

Edited January 28, 2022 by pawnman

[Guardian]

Careful. He started a list when he first became a nav.

(Cue Steve Buscemi making a list of people to shoot and putting on lipstick)

Just kidding. Any reason for a Billy Madison quote.

[Guardian]

GFY = Giffy? Yeah. I should have gone there for the gif.

[brickhistory]

8 minutes ago, pawnman said:

GFY

Pretty sure that's what the approximately 10,000 uniformed personnel who have been/are facing discharge would say to you and your gloating over their fate for their refusing to take the non-vaccine vaccine.

 

[arg]

Some people will take awhile to realize that the vast majority of  your .gov doesn't give a shit about you. They only care about two things. Votes, money, more money and more votes. They will say and do anything to get them. This country was never designed to have a ruling class but that's what we have now.

[Guardian]

I think that’s 4 things….

[passingtime69]

It’s sniffles and coughs now. It’s all a clownshow now - all this mask business. Everyone just making shit up like an elementary school game when for most people, covid is not a factor, never was a factor, and is sufficiently protected against - also - it’s their choice to do as they see fit for their OWN protection.

Clownshow Example: Amex lounge DFW…. Get a whole warning from front desk about the rise in cases (not deaths) from the all powerful OMICRON, and how I need to wear a mask bla bla bla. If you’re eating (have a plate of food on your table)…. No hassle from the employee being the gestapo looking for violators when you don’t wear a mask. BUT! If you don’t have a plate of food, but are instead holding a cup of coffee and taking sips while talking to your group of people surrounding your table….. you get hassled for not wearing a mask and told to wear it and replace it between sips of said liquid.

Zero sense. Zero critical thought. 100% clownshow, sheep, fear.


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[bennynova]

On 1/28/2022 at 12:53 AM, Prozac said:

Merely shedding light on the fact that many here are willing to accept these institutions as the gold standard in their day to day without batting an eyelash, yet throw them under the bus when it suits their political agenda. The point seems lost on more than a few. 

That’s a bit of hyperbole.   We aren’t FORCED to buy/use anything.   But now we are for these mandated experimental vaccines.    
 

it’s not a double standard when we actually have the freedom to pick and choose what we want to put into our bodies.    

[bennynova]

Many of you have seen the topic of the recent F35 crash being discussed, along with statements supposedly made by the pilot right before he ejected that he was having chest pains.  As skeptical of everything that has to do with the vaccine as I am, even I thought the reporting on this was BS hyperbole.  Until about 30 minutes ago, that is. . .  I commanded an F/A-18 squadron in the 2007-2010 time frame, and a good friend of mine who was also a Hornet squadron commander and Airboss afterwards just called to tell me that he heard the unedited PLAT tape with his own ears, and before ejecting the pilots says: "I'm experiencing sudden and intense chest pain as if someone hit me in the chest with a baseball bat. Fucking vaccine!"  Again - even though I'd seen reporting along these lines over a week ago, I discounted it as BS.  But it's not. . .  UFB!
 

 

anyone see this?

   Made up, or some truth?