COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[brickhistory]

So now that the possibility of China releasing this thing upon the world, intentionally or unintentionally, can be discussed without the black helicopters of the NIH/CDC/WHO and MSM/social media giants descending and disappearing the transgressor, what does the US and/or the world do if it's found to be the case?

Is it a "ok, mistakes happen.  Try to do better?" 

Is it a world opinion suing CCP and in what venue?

Is it an act of war?

My hunch is the world, and the US, will pick the first option.  We suck up the dead, the losses to our economy and national psyche, and the rest.  After all, we did manage to pick up some more government control over a lot of things so that's probably worth it.

[slc]

Can local base medical "ask" you to send them a copy of your vax record (if received off base) for wing "tracking" purposes?  

[Muscle2002]

9 minutes ago, slc said:

Can local base medical "ask" you to send them a copy of your vax record (if received off base) for wing "tracking" purposes?  

Unknown about the specific ask, but they will use the card to update MyIMRS which already contains your vaccination record. 

[Guardian]

Dod mandatory Vax in the next 1-3 months is rumint from the leadership.

Nellis says take your vax card with you because you will be asked for it.

And several places looking to make mask wearing for non vaccinated mandatory. Which is above and beyond dod secdef “should” policy.

[brabus]

23 minutes ago, Guardian said:

 

Dod mandatory Vax in the next 1-3 months is rumint from the leadership.

 

So the mil can make a non-FDA approved vax mandatory? This’ll go smoothly…

[jazzdude]

Can local base medical "ask" you to send them a copy of your vax record (if received off base) for wing "tracking" purposes?  

Yes, just like they can ask you for documentation for any other off base medical care (which you are responsible for providing to them in the first place), and use medical info in aggregate to brief medical readiness of a unit. (Like number of people on profile/quarters, etc)

[Guardian]

Can local base medical "ask" you to send them a copy of your vax record (if received off base) for wing "tracking" purposes?  

Yes. That’s normal. Otherwise they have no proof and will show you as not having it in the system.

This line of questioning from you makes me think there are people out there going to try and say they have had it and get away with that. Highly caution against that. Then they will have you on two things. Not vax’ing and lying. Not saying that’s what you are doing. Just made me think.

[Lawman]

So the mil can make a non-FDA approved vax mandatory? This’ll go smoothly…

Mil could always do that.

The issue was after the massive F’up with the force wide mandatory Anthrax Vax nobody wants to touch that.

Getting the force vaccinated has nothing to do with protecting us and everything to do with one less hoop to jump through with strategic level issues like “can we rapidly deploy troops through country X on the way to Country Y.”


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[Guardian]

Yeah. The potential still exists however to have an anthrax or greater level event. Because a lot of people absolutely don’t want these vaxes. For whatever reason. So as an outcome the DOD is risking losing a lot of people, or kicking a bunch out, and having a lot of lawsuits. To a higher degree than when it happened with anthrax. So something that has a survival rate in the high 90’s for most people in our military.

[Lawman]

Yeah. The potential still exists however to have an anthrax or greater level event. Because a lot of people absolutely don’t want these vaxes. For whatever reason. So as an outcome the DOD is risking losing a lot of people, or kicking a bunch out, and having a lot of lawsuits. To a higher degree than when it happened with anthrax. So something that has a survival rate in the high 90’s for most people in our military.

I want to believe that somehow somebody in a room is pointing out the possibility of a massive impact to manpower and personnel losses.

Like, “Col/Gen we forecast a loss of 6-9% from our Active duty component which will take 3-4 years to full recover due to increased workload on the remainder driving higher rates of ETS/UQR…”

But after watching them F away so many other personnel problems with the standard, “nobody wants to leave except quitters and they’ll all be homeless! Reenlist!” zeal, I don’t think anyone at that level actual anticipates this is a problem.


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[FLEA]

57 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Yeah. The potential still exists however to have an anthrax or greater level event. Because a lot of people absolutely don’t want these vaxes. For whatever reason. So as an outcome the DOD is risking losing a lot of people, or kicking a bunch out, and having a lot of lawsuits. To a higher degree than when it happened with anthrax. So something that has a survival rate in the high 90’s for most people in our military.

Actually the risk for an anthrax event is near 0. Anthrax is nearly impossible to weaponize. In fact, the largest anthrax attack in the US, which only caused 5 casualties, took the expertise of the virologist who INVENTED the Anthrax vaccine for the DoD to actually contain it to a form that was harmful. Weaponized anthrax is one of the most obscure and overstated bio warfare arguments out there. 

By the way, the dude mentioned above, the one responsible for the 2001 mail attacks, did them because he was bitter that he didn't get enough credit for his work and was bitter the DoD didn't mandate the vaccine. After the attacks, sure enough, the DoD mandated anthrax vaccines. Good thing we let him win on that one. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Edwards_Ivins

[slc]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

Yes. That’s normal. Otherwise they have no proof and will show you as not having it in the system.

This line of questioning from you makes me think there are people out there going to try and say they have had it and get away with that. Highly caution against that. Then they will have you on two things. Not vax’ing and lying. Not saying that’s what you are doing. Just made me think.

Nah, I'm vaxed, just curious as to the legality of "asking" for the vax record.  

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

Yes. That’s normal. Otherwise they have no proof and will show you as not having it in the system.

This line of questioning from you makes me think there are people out there going to try and say they have had it and get away with that. Highly caution against that. Then they will have you on two things. Not vax’ing and lying. Not saying that’s what you are doing. Just made me think.

Certainly no one would lie about being vaccinated to, say, avoid wearing a mask, right?

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, Guardian said:

Yeah. The potential still exists however to have an anthrax or greater level event. Because a lot of people absolutely don’t want these vaxes. For whatever reason. So as an outcome the DOD is risking losing a lot of people, or kicking a bunch out, and having a lot of lawsuits. To a higher degree than when it happened with anthrax. So something that has a survival rate in the high 90’s for most people in our military.

Just like all the people who left during anthrax vaccines?  Or all the people who left after DADT was repealed?

People talk a big game about getting out...but anyone who gets out over the Covid vaccine already had one foot out the door.  Not to mention, retention levels are at an all-time high and with the war in Afghanistan winding down, we'll probably be downsizing a bit anyway.  Anyone who leaves is one less person that will be forced out via RIF.

[Guardian]

Certainly no one would lie about being vaccinated to, say, avoid wearing a mask, right?

Why lie? Wearing a mask isn’t required in DOD.

[FLEA]

12 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Just like all the people who left during anthrax vaccines?  Or all the people who left after DADT was repealed?

People talk a big game about getting out...but anyone who gets out over the Covid vaccine already had one foot out the door.  Not to mention, retention levels are at an all-time high and with the war in Afghanistan winding down, we'll probably be downsizing a bit anyway.  Anyone who leaves is one less person that will be forced out via RIF.

From a reputable 3 star retention has declined to pre COVID levels as of the last quarter. Not that this has any bearing but just an FYI for everyone. 

 

[Sua Sponte]

7 hours ago, Guardian said:

Yeah. The potential still exists however to have an anthrax or greater level event. Because a lot of people absolutely don’t want these vaxes. For whatever reason. So as an outcome the DOD is risking losing a lot of people, or kicking a bunch out, and having a lot of lawsuits. To a higher degree than when it happened with anthrax. So something that has a survival rate in the high 90’s for most people in our military.

Oh well. You don’t think that doesn’t happen in the civilian world? Ask all the medical folks who lost their jobs due not getting the vaccination. Sue the Feds? Good luck, hope you have monetary means to do so.

Go ahead and leave. I think a lot of people have a humbling experience when they leave the military because their delusions of grandeur of their “worth” isn’t as high to potential employers as they thought. 

 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Sua Sponte

[Guardian]

I think it happens in the civilian world. Never said I was suing anyone. Just pointing to what’s ahead when dod forces an unproven and fails to meet the cdc/fda’s own rna/dna modification standards for approval. So let’s just rush it through as a vaccine only standard to meet.

Should be interesting to see what happens. Don’t disagree. The government always wins under a leftist regime. Not the people.

[08Dawg]

8 hours ago, FLEA said:

From a reputable 3 star retention has declined to pre COVID levels as of the last quarter. Not that this has any bearing but just an FYI for everyone. 

 

You don’t say... 😂😂

[M2]

I think it's hilarious someone still thinks lack of retention will stop "leadership" from doing something...

[Danger41]

I’d much rather just make the damn vaccine mandatory instead of this passive aggressive shit I see a bunch of Commanders doing. Since it’s not mandatory, STFU!

I was recently asked why I didn’t want the vaccine and I produced several pages of my vaccine history from all those deployments and asked if they would want another shot for something with the pK of a fly swatter. One man’s opinion.

[pawnman]

Well, how about that...

Ft Knox punishes unvaccinated troops caught without masks.

 

[BashiChuni]

ridiculous. masks have been proven to not be effective. you've got 16 months of data that shows this.

they're only good for people to "think" the government is doing "SOMETHING" about the pandemic.

looking back in 5-10 years once reason returns will bear this out.

[Guardian]

Well, how about that...
Ft Knox punishes unvaccinated troops caught without masks.
 

Interesting that DOD doesn’t require mask wear for those who are unvaccinated but Fort Knox does.

[Danger41]

59 minutes ago, Guardian said:

Interesting that DOD doesn’t require mask wear for those who are unvaccinated but Fort Knox does.

I’ve seen you say this multiple times. What’s your source on that? Isn’t it just a federal agency policy to wear mask if unvaccinated?