COVID-19 (Aka China Virus)

[pawnman]

7 hours ago, brabus said:

If I get COVID, I have a 99.9% chance of living (source: CDC, my age group). It’s actually higher than that since that includes all the comorbidity deaths, but close enough for discussions sake. VAERS is reporting 0.27% rate of adverse events amongst my age group. So from a statistical standpoint, I incur more risk of an adverse event from the vaccine than I gain in decreased risk of death. Now, we’re splitting RCHs like you read about (well, before the 2013 purge anyways), so maybe that’s the point…there’s so little to be gained (statistically) for a healthy individual when it comes down to an unemotional risk vs. reward standpoint. Now before you stop reading, know this is a baseline assessment - throw in factors like high risk family members at home, you’re not a healthy individual (whether your fault or not), etc. can logically out prioritize the above. 

Now throw in more subjective factors:

- knowing people who have died, or are currently suffering long term negative effects, from the vaccine (anecdotal, but you can’t discount that factor in someone’s thought process)

- suppression of information/voices that cast negative light on, or question the vaccine

- The very authoritarian way the govt has pursued vaccination with a shocking rate of goal post moving, “experts” being completely wrong an inconceivable amount of times (but you should still completely follow what we say without question), etc.

- No longterm data on this vaccine…that’s a fact, but subjective on the definition of “long term”

So, it’s not hard to see how people make a very rational decision to not get the vaccine in the near term. Just the same as people make a rational decision to get the vaccine for various reasons. But, to make a statistical-based argument for healthy people to get the vaccine (without knowing their personal situation) is just pissing into the wind. Even worse is refusing to acknowledge this and attacking those who chose opposite of you. I believe people can choose either way while doing so logically and rationally, depending on their specific life circumstances. 

You'd be right if death were the only adverse impact from Covid.  10% of Covid patients have long-term effects, even if their initial case of Covid was mild.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210407174321.htm

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

You'd be right if death were the only adverse impact from Covid.  10% of Covid patients have long-term effects, even if their initial case of Covid was mild.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210407174321.htm

Negated by the fact that COVID is not event that happens with 100% certainty. If I calculated myself as an unvaccinated individual my own probability of getting COVID is only 17% in the next 3 years. That is extremely conservative as the reality is your probability decreases  daily as more people either A.) get COVID or B.) get vaccinated, reducing their own transmissions. This was calculated using statistics provided by (https://19andme.covid19.mathematica.org/) and a simple recurring probability event formula, 1-(1-X)^L   . 

[FLEA]

13 hours ago, Pooter said:

As much fun as this highly productive conversation is.. I'm still waiting for a single shred of reputable scientific evidence that points to the vaccine being unsafe in any way. 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Making assumptions based on unpredicted risk is a routine part of risk calculation. There isn't a lack of scientific evidence because scientist couldn't find any. There is a lack because they haven't tried, largely inhibited by the resource (time) they need to perform such a project. You better believe that there are universities who will study control groups 10 years from now and compare to vaccinated groups to look for things like increased risk to common ailments, etc.... 

[Kiloalpha]

Unknown if true. I don’t think this is exactly going to endear the President to the armed forces. But if they say I need it, I’ll get it. Just think it’s a little bullshit.

[BroncoEN]

1 hour ago, Kiloalpha said:

Unknown if true. I don’t think this is exactly going to endear the President to the armed forces. But if they say I need it, I’ll get it. Just think it’s a little bullshit.

Interesting. Figured they’d wait until it was off emergency authorization. 

[Negatory]

14 hours ago, ecugringo said:

Thats not true.  The vast majority of people with covid either dont know they ever had it or have mild symptoms.  Some people get flu like symptoms that kick their ass for a few days, but the # of people hospitalized vs + cases does not support your statement.

You’re right, that was a mistype. I meant to say a large fraction, not a majority - significantly larger than any actual adverse vaccine effects, as Pawnman has already cited.

[Bozo]

9 hours ago, BroncoEN said:

Interesting. Figured they’d wait until it was off emergency authorization politically expedient. 

FIFY.  Can't wait to see the look on the bureaucrat's face when I claim that my heart inflammation is service-related.

There is one bright spot though...  I found the constant virtue signaling from my chain-of-management utterly tiresome.  Hopefully that PSYOP will stop.

[dream big]

15 hours ago, Kiloalpha said:

Unknown if true. I don’t think this is exactly going to endear the President to the armed forces. But if they say I need it, I’ll get it. Just think it’s a little bullshit.

While the fall out for Biden will be hilarious to watch, I am in huge support of this.  Maybe we can take off our masks for good, at least on base. Nothing is more BS than being vaccinated yet having to wear a mask again.  

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Bozo said:

FIFY.  Can't wait to see the look on the bureaucrat's face when I claim that my heart inflammation is service-related.

There is one bright spot though...  I found the constant virtue signaling from my chain-of-management utterly tiresome.  Hopefully that PSYOP will stop.

The deeper you stare into clown world, the more of a clown one becomes. 🤡

 

4 minutes ago, dream big said:

While the fall out for Biden will be hilarious to watch, I am in huge support of this.  Maybe we can take off our masks for good, at least on base. Nothing is more BS than being vaccinated yet having to wear a mask again.  

Don’t question. Obey. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

 

[Guest]

On 8/4/2021 at 2:04 AM, ViperMan said:

Military: Established that you need to take vaccines. Experimental vaccines, open question.

Civilian: Doesn't matter if it's a sugar pill. Can't make anyone take it for any reason whatsoever.

New York, New York would like a chat with you. You won’t be able to exist there without government mandated digital identification as proof of inoculation. This has been the admitted plan of the New World Order for quite some time now. This is just the beginning. The military is one of the guineas. “Clap for that, you stupid bastards.” - Supreme Chancellor Xiden

[busdriver]

Your tinfoil is getting worn, might want to fix it.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, busdriver said:

Your tinfoil is getting worn, might want to fix it.



 

It’s aluminum, not tin! People think it doesn’t exist, until you show them the ID2020 Alliance working towards the United Nations’ 2030 “Agenda for Sustainable Development”. You think it’s a joke.

https://www.un.org/ruleoflaw/sdg-16/

Subtarget 9 on target 16 on that webpage.

[busdriver]

That line has nothing to do with "papers please"

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[tac airlifter]

54 minutes ago, dream big said:

While the fall out for Biden will be hilarious to watch, I am in huge support of this.  Maybe we can take off our masks for good, at least on base. Nothing is more BS than being vaccinated yet having to wear a mask again.  

What makes you think any of us will be able to take our masks off?  

[Guest]

1 hour ago, busdriver said:

That line has nothing to do with "papers please"

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
 

My point being, there is a global consortium of government and non-governmental organizations who have a stated goal of a digital identification being needed for every facet of life. The fact one of the largest cities in the world (it also being in the United States) has now governmentally mandated this will be done in September should concern you.

[dream big]

1 hour ago, tac airlifter said:

What makes you think any of us will be able to take our masks off?  

Optimism… and to be fair we did take them off between 14 May** and last week for those vaccinated.

Edited August 5, 2021 by dream big

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, dream big said:

While the fall out for Biden will be hilarious to watch, I am in huge support of this.  Maybe we can take off our masks for good, at least on base. Nothing is more BS than being vaccinated yet having to wear a mask again.  

More people are vaccinated than not.  And a huge majority of the vaccinated people already blame the unvaccinated people for the continuing pandemic.

Anti-vaxxers were largely Trump supporters already.

If anything, I can see this boosting Biden's popularity, especially if it gets the spikes in Covid under control.

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, dogfish78 said:

New York, New York would like a chat with you. You won’t be able to exist there without government mandated digital identification as proof of inoculation. This has been the admitted plan of the New World Order for quite some time now. This is just the beginning. The military is one of the guineas. “Clap for that, you stupid bastards.” - Supreme Chancellor Xiden

Someone binged Alex Jones while waiting for MX to green up the aircraft...

[tac airlifter]

18 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Anti-vaxxers were largely Trump supporters already.

Just to be clear, you are calling people with three page vaccination sheets who do not want this particular experimental vaccine “anti-vaxxers?”  And you are calling the huge number of Democrat voting minorities electing not to receive the COVID vaccine “Trump supporters?”

Do you think those with natural immunity should be forced to vaccinate? Do you think it makes you sound smart to falsely label people? Or is name-calling just a sad outlet to vent frustration in lieu of cogent thought?

I am vaccinated, still got COVID, and am 100% against forcing my kids to get this injection.  There are idiosyncrasies here that should be considered rationally.  

[TheNewGazmo]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

More people are vaccinated than not.  And a huge majority of the vaccinated people already blame the unvaccinated people for the continuing pandemic.

Anti-vaxxers were largely Trump supporters already.

If anything, I can see this boosting Biden's popularity, especially if it gets the spikes in Covid under control.

While I don't discredit the importance of being vaccinated, there are countries with much higher vaccination rates than the U.S. (70+%) who are going through a COVID spike just as we are (Spain, Italy, UK, France, Israel, etc.).  While 100% would be nice, we're not the only country in the world not able to get everyone vaccinated for whatever reason.  These are countries without Biden and Trump.  Countries who weren't in an election year last year.  So at what percentage does the vaccinated crowd stop blaming the unvaccinated? 70... 80... 90?  We're not going to get every last person vaccinated. Our goal was 70% by July and we still haven't made it there yet.  China claims to have vaccinated 80+% of their major cities (Beijing, Wuhan, etc. and they're still starting to see upticks of Corona cases, although we may need to take their claims with a grain of salt.

Edited August 5, 2021 by TheNewGazmo

[Guest]

On 8/5/2021 at 1:30 PM, pawnman said:

Someone binged Alex Jones while waiting for MX to green up the aircraft...

Truth be told @pawnman. Alex Jones is a national treasure, and has been right more often than not. A true Patriot.

 

Edited September 14, 2021 by dogfish78
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[Prozac]

12 minutes ago, dogfish78 said:

Truth be told @pawnman. Alex Jones is a national treasure, and has been right more often than not. A true Patriot.

Bwwaaahhaaahaaahhaaaa!!!! I guess we know you’re a troll now. Thanks for coming out of the closet. 

[pawnman]

15 minutes ago, dogfish78 said:

Truth be told @pawnman. Alex Jones is a national treasure, and has been right more often than not. A true Patriot.

Never have I had an opponent in a debate prove my point for me so readily.

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Never have I had an opponent in a debate prove my point for me so readily.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Prozac said:

Bwwaaahhaaahaaahhaaaa!!!! I guess we know you’re a troll now. Thanks for coming out of the closet. 

And what’s your arguments gentlemen? Can you not clearly see the dystopia we’re heading to by requiring a digital identification at every point in your life? Have you not read 1984? Brave New World?

[pawnman]

12 minutes ago, dogfish78 said:

 

And what’s your arguments gentlemen? Can you not clearly see the dystopia we’re heading to by requiring a digital identification at every point in your life? Have you not read 1984? Brave New World?

Sorry, I was too busy protesting the chemicals that turn frogs gay.