Eglin F-35 crash

[BashiChuni]

[Ryder1587]

Not a good week for aviation.  This these crashes it makes me wonder what the AIB was for the rash of crashes last year.  Anyone remember them all ?  I remember a C model overseas.  And maybe a 35 for the Marines ?

[brickhistory]

Time to retire the F-35.  Amiright?

[HuggyU2]

Should definitely look at putting a stop to night landings on training sorties.  Too much risk.  

Edited May 20, 2020 by HuggyU2

[PitchTrimmer]

  On 5/20/2020 at 6:12 PM, HuggyU2 said:

Should definitely look at putting a stop to night landings on training sorties.  Too much risk.  

Expand  

You jest but I was surprised to see night landings in the new T-6 syllabus...

[mp5g]

Let’s hope the Chinese only attack during day, vmc conditions. 

[JimNtexas]

  On 5/20/2020 at 6:12 PM, HuggyU2 said:

Should definitely look at putting a stop to night landings on training sorties.  Too much risk.  

Expand  

Is there something about the F-35 that makes night landings more risky than other airplanes?

[SurelySerious]

  On 5/21/2020 at 3:17 AM, JimNtexas said:

Is there something about the F-35 that makes night landings more risky than other airplanes?

Expand  

[ThreeHoler]

  On 5/21/2020 at 3:17 AM, JimNtexas said:

Is there something about the F-35 that makes night landings more risky than other airplanes?

Yes. It is very susceptible to sarcasm.

[Danger41]

  On 5/21/2020 at 3:26 AM, SurelySerious said:

Expand  

Are you kidding? This baby is off the charts!

[Bender]

  On 5/20/2020 at 6:39 PM, PitchTrimmer said:

You jest but I was surprised to see night landings in the new T-6 syllabus...

Which syllabus do you mean, and why would you be surprised night landings are in it?

~Bendy

[Hopefulflyer389]

  On 5/20/2020 at 7:53 PM, mp5g said:

Let’s hope the Chinese only attack during day, vmc conditions. 

Expand  

#COVID-19

[brickhistory]

  On 5/22/2020 at 4:44 AM, Hopefulflyer389 said:

#COVID-19

Expand  

Man, it is going to be tough as hell for the Aggressors to employ this inside 6' while maintaining their block(s).

Edited May 22, 2020 by brickhistory

[fox two]

  On 5/20/2020 at 11:14 AM, Ryder1587 said:

Not a good week for aviation.  This these crashes it makes me wonder what the AIB was for the rash of crashes last year.  Anyone remember them all ?  I remember a C model overseas.  And maybe a 35 for the Marines ?

Expand  

 

You mean an SII that says "stop f*cking up" doesn't actually do shit?

Edited May 23, 2020 by fox two

[Sprkt69]

  On 5/23/2020 at 4:02 PM, fox two said:

 

You mean an SII that says "stop f*cking up" doesn't actually do shit?

Expand  

I can almost hear the Generals claims of “But I told them to stop messing up!”

[08Dawg]

  On 5/23/2020 at 7:58 PM, Sprkt69 said:

I can almost hear the Generals claims of “But I told them to stop messing up!”

Expand  

Standing by for another “aircrew discipline” video...

[Ch33s3]

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2020/10/05/eglin-f-35-crash-resulted-from-tired-distracted-pilot-and-unresponsive-tail-glitch-investigators-find/?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=Socialflow+AIR&utm_medium=social

So he "experienced cognitive degradation" but also "a previously unknown flight control logic glitch" that left him without pitch control?

 

Thoughts?

[Sim]

Looks like someone leaked something-something to this "journalist".   

[Checksix]

The AIB has also been released for this event, so I guess they could have read that? 

[ViperMan]

"The pilot noticed something was wrong with his helmet-mounted display, suggesting it was misaligned in relation to the horizon. The pilot cross-checked his virtual heads-up display and instrument landing system data, and visually adjusted his aim point and glide slope toward the runway’s threshold."

Root cause: F-35 doesn't have a HUD.

"

[HuggyU2]

  On 10/6/2020 at 4:09 AM, ViperMan said:

Root cause: F-35 doesn't have a HUD."

Expand  

Say again?

[1:1:1]

  On 10/6/2020 at 4:09 AM, ViperMan said:

"The pilot noticed something was wrong with his helmet-mounted display, suggesting it was misaligned in relation to the horizon. The pilot cross-checked his virtual heads-up display and instrument landing system data, and visually adjusted his aim point and glide slope toward the runway’s threshold."

Root cause: F-35 doesn't have a HUD.

"

Expand  

Valid for pointing out the stupidity of not mounting a gunsight on a.... gun, but I'm pretty sure a no-hud ILS capability exists. I'd say root cause is touching down at > 200 knots.

 

https://www.afjag.af.mil/Portals/77/AIB-Reports/2020/May/Eglin AFB F35A AIB Report_Signed.pdf

"The AIB President found, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the mishap was caused first, by the MA touching down at 202 KCAS, and second, by the MA flight control surfaces, namely the tail of the aircraft, conflicting with the MP inputs upon landing, resulting in the MP’s inability to recover from the aircraft oscillation."

[TreeA10]

The most basic aviation skill after takeoff is landing the jet. I guess the $400,000+ helmet just isn't adequate to make that happen. 

[RyanRC187]

  On 10/6/2020 at 4:09 AM, ViperMan said:

"The pilot noticed something was wrong with his helmet-mounted display, suggesting it was misaligned in relation to the horizon. The pilot cross-checked his virtual heads-up display and instrument landing system data, and visually adjusted his aim point and glide slope toward the runway’s threshold."

Root cause: F-35 doesn't have a HUD.

"

Expand  

It has a vHUD which is displayed on the glass. So it does have a "virtual HUD."

[BashiChuni]

so he landed via a prohibited maneuver? (speed hold enabled)

 

"The pilot pulled back on the stick and hit full afterburners to try to abort the landing. But with the stabilizers pointing down, his effort to take off again was unsuccessful and he was forced to bail out."

that's terrifying to me that the computer could overrule the pilot trying to go around!\

"And he had several things on his mind, the report said, including a positive COVID-19 test of a contact of a contact that might require him to quarantine, which contributed to his task over-saturation." - really?

Edited October 6, 2020 by BashiChuni