New United Airlines CEO

[alwyn2d]

As of May 1st, Scott Kirby took the reigns of United Airlines. What's the big deal you ask?. Scott is a graduate of USAFA in the 80s. On his rise to the top, he was fired by American Airlines as President (2016) and prohibited from over 150 casinos for card counting. He did have his share of run ins with the American Pilot Union in negotiations.  And you guys/dolls thought SOS wouldn't be beneficial in your career development. For all you future airline pilot hopefuls out there, remember if you're not sitting at the table where decisions are being made, you're on the Menu. Fly safe when you can.

Edited May 31, 2020 by alwyn2d

[HuggyU2]

What’s the reason for starting this thread?

I get the impression there is something “personal” about your dislike of SK. 

Edited May 31, 2020 by HuggyU2

[Hacker]

Card counting is quite a skill.  Is that supposed to be a strike against him?

[AirGuardianC141747]

It is a skill most definitely and probably very useful when running numbers on what it takes to run an airline perhaps. Could be good could be bad won’t know til 1 Oct or maybe sooner. Fighting unions is definitely business driven and we’ll see how counting pilots turns out. Hope for the best prepare for the worst.

[Buddy Spike]

Didn't he wash out of UPT?

[Smokin]

17 hours ago, alwyn2d said:

As of May 1st, Scott Kirby took the reigns of United Airlines. What's the big deal you ask?. Scott is a graduate of USAFA in the 80s. On his rise to the top, he was fired by American Airlines as President (2016) and prohibited from over 150 casinos for card counting. He did have his share of run ins with the American Pilot Union in negotiations.  And you guys/dolls thought SOS wouldn't be beneficial in your career development. For all you future airline pilot hopefuls out there, remember if you're not sitting at the table where decisions are being made, you're on the Menu. Fly safe when you can.

USAFA - Don't care where he went to school (40 years ago!) as long as it wasn't a diploma mill.  Fired from American- Don't care, obviously United saw something different in him.  Card counting - that's a plus in my book.  Run in with a union?  Any good executive in charge of a for profit company that has a union will have run-ins.  If he doesn't, then he's probably not doing his job.  His job is to make the company money, unions make the pilots money/QOL.  Conflict is inevitable.  Hasn't been in charge long enough to judge how he's going to do as CEO, but I haven't heard anything yet to merit your take. 

[hindsight2020]

9 hours ago, Buddy Spike said:

Didn't he wash out of UPT?

I believe so.

I don't have a dog in this fight either way, but the inference that pilot washouts in future management positions hold a passive aggressive grudge against mil pilots has at least been the anecdotal experience for me in some professional circles I've dabbled in. I'm not suggesting this would be the case with particular CEO and his airline pilot subordinates. Again no dog in the UAL fight.  To be fair, I've also seen mil-on-mil hate from full-AD retired pilots against their dual hatted ARC/airline peers, so it's not just washouts that can hold animosity.

Edited May 31, 2020 by hindsight2020

[SocialD]

30 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said:

To be fair, I've also seen mil-on-mil hate from full-AD retired pilots against their dual hatted ARC/airline peers, so it's not just washouts that can hold animosity.

 

In my experience, some of the worst haters of the ARC pilots are the management guys (pilots) who did all their time AD and were never in the Guard/Reserve.    

[HuggyU2]

5 hours ago, SocialD said:

In my experience, some of the worst haters of the ARC pilots are the management guys (pilots) who did all their time AD and were never in the Guard/Reserve.    

 I hate Guard and Reserve guys.  All of them.  Even my friends.  I hate them.

Day 1 of UPT, we were in the Laughlin auditorium, sitting there to get our foot prints taken in our Blues, and each of us asking the other what we wanted to fly.  "I want to fly the F-15"... I want to fly the KC-10"... ... ... ...

The one Reservist in our class: "I'm going to fly the F-4". 

Us:  "What do you mean you're 'going to fly the F-4' "?

Him:  "I'm a Reservist".

Us:  "So?  What does that mean?"  (note:  this was before the internet, where you could find out all about the Reserves without lifting a finger)

Him:  My unit is at Wright-Patt.  We have F-4's there, and that's what I'll fly."

Us:  "Wait... what?... Hey!!   You KNOW what you're going to fly already??    Maj XX, can I transfer to this Reserve thing, sir??!!!!"  

 

You guys all suck... and we hate you. 

Edited June 1, 2020 by HuggyU2

[SocialD]

8 hours ago, HuggyU2 said:

 I hate Guard and Reserve guys.  All of them.  Even my friends.  I hate them.

Day 1 of UPT, we were in the Laughlin auditorium, sitting there to get our foot prints taken in our Blues, and each of us asking the other what we wanted to fly.  "I want to fly the F-15"... I want to fly the KC-10"... ... ... ...

The one Reservist in our class: "I'm going to fly the F-4". 

Us:  "What do you mean you're 'going to fly the F-4' "?

Him:  "I'm a Reservist".

Us:  "So?  What does that mean?"  (note:  this was before the internet, where you could find out all about the Reserves without lifting a finger)

Him:  My unit is at Wright-Patt.  We have F-4's there, and that's what I'll fly."

Us:  "Wait... what?... Hey!!   You KNOW what you're going to fly already??    Maj XX, can I transfer to this Reserve thing, sir??!!!!"  

You guys all suck... and we hate you. 

 

LOL!  So that's what the WP C-17 guys fly with the callsign Rhino. 

 

 

 

[herkbum]

 I hate Guard and Reserve guys.  All of them.  Even my friends.  I hate them.

Day 1 of UPT, we were in the Laughlin auditorium, sitting there to get our foot prints taken in our Blues, and each of us asking the other what we wanted to fly.  "I want to fly the F-15"... I want to fly the KC-10"... ... ... ...

The one Reservist in our class: "I'm going to fly the F-4". 

Us:  "What do you mean you're 'going to fly the F-4' "?

Him:  "I'm a Reservist".

Us:  "So?  What does that mean?"  (note:  this was before the internet, where you could find out all about the Reserves without lifting a finger)

Him:  My unit is at Wright-Patt.  We have F-4's there, and that's what I'll fly."

Us:  "Wait... what?... Hey!!   You KNOW what you're going to fly already??    Maj XX, can I transfer to this Reserve thing, sir??!!!!"  

 

You guys all suck... and we hate you. 

I had this happen to me in both UNT and UPT. I was amazed that dudes had never heard of the Guard.


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[Hacker]

18 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

hate from full-AD retired pilots against their dual hatted ARC/airline peers

For what reason?

Maybe I had a different experience, but since retiring my attitude is:

What's there to hate on bros about?  Hell, I don't even really hate on Navy pilots anymore either, despite their known shortcomings as both men and aviators.

Edited June 1, 2020 by Hacker

[hindsight2020]

8 hours ago, Hacker said:

For what reason?

Again, you don't have to convince me of either position. I'm just a messenger that has heard it over and over again at pretty much all the squadrons I've been a part of, by virtue of having to manage these people's schedules. Like @SocialD highlighted, the more common complaint seems to be regarding full AD retiree falcons who happen to be management pilots and thus have (or perceive themselves to have) a bigger say/stick on these matters.

At any rate, to your question, essentially they articulated the reason was in so many words, the same reason some civi-only pilots also resent ARC pilots: resentment over participation throttling/cherry-picking of relative juniority (and all the associated schedule/QOL that defines it), via rolling MLOA. Again, don't sic the cartero. 😄 

Edited June 2, 2020 by hindsight2020

[hindsight2020]

3 hours ago, herkbum said:

 

I had this happen to me in both UNT and UPT. I was amazed that dudes had never heard of the Guard.


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Ditto. One of the few line items of my life that is not part of my username's origin story LOL. To be fair, watching a pair of SLUFs from the PRANG from out the chain link fence was what sparked my entire vocational interest in flying at the young age of 9. All the fighter posters in my wall as a teen were all ANG swag/merch from the hometown unit, so the ARC was a known quantity for me since day one. I was still surprised people were so relatively aloof about the ARC going through OTS and UPT. And this was in the time of flightinfo and the first days of baseops, so the internet was a thing back then already.

[SocialD]

8 hours ago, Hacker said:

For what reason?

Maybe I had a different experience, but since retiring my attitude is:

What's there to hate on bros about?  Hell, I don't even really hate on Navy pilots anymore either, despite their known shortcomings as both men and aviators.

 

It mainly stems from the older management types that had been out of the military for quite a while, who still think the ANG/AFRES are flying clubs.  One of them didn't believe me when I told him how many times I've deployed as a Guardsman.  Hell, we still occasionally deal with this type of shit from AD folks, when we're deployed. 

 

7 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

Ditto. One of the few line items of my life that is not part of my username's origin story LOL. To be fair, watching a pair of SLUFs from the PRANG from out the chain link fence was what sparked my entire vocational interest in flying at the young age of 9. All the fighter posters in my wall as a teen were all ANG swag/merch from the hometown unit, so the ARC was a known quantity for me since day one. I was still surprised people were so relatively aloof about the ARC going through OTS and UPT. And this was in the time of flightinfo and the first days of baseops, so the internet was a thing back then already.

 

In all fairness, the only reason I knew about the ANG was because I asked my high school guidance counselor what paid the best for college.  He handed me a ANG pamphlet and said there is a Fighter Wing 1.5 hours north and they paid 100% tuition.  Best thing that ever happened to me.  

 

[Hacker]

8 hours ago, hindsight2020 said:

full AD retiree falcons who happen to be management pilots and thus have (or perceive themselves to have) a bigger say/stick on these matters

Got it, I didn't get the full picture of what you were saying with respect to the retired dudes being management pilots at the airlines.