The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[DirkDiggler]

11 hours ago, uhhello said:

The female STO pipeline drama is getting good

I hadn't heard about this at all until today.  The AFSOC/CC just put out an official statement on Instagram regarding it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYaE5UflyRo/

[brabus]

3 hours ago, mp5g said:

All fun and good until it occurred to the WG/CC

Back in the day 4 stars’ hats weren’t safe. Maybe the best part was the General’s butt boy negotiating with the LPA when he discovered both primary and secondary hats were dicked and the tertiary (but still unmarked) one was being held hostage. Man those were good days! 
 

@DirkDiggler I spit Laguvulin 16 out when I read that…and I’m not even mad. I wish I could be a fly on the wall seeing that one play out. Well played!

Edited January 7, 2022 by brabus

[BashiChuni]

1 hour ago, DirkDiggler said:

I hadn't heard about this at all until today.  The AFSOC/CC just put out an official statement on Instagram regarding it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CYaE5UflyRo/

Strange statement. 

[Guardian]

Yeah. There needs to be more data on WTF is going on with that

[kaputt]

Freebeacon.com has what appears to be a copy of the original email. Some googling can get you to it pretty easily. I won’t link it here because it has the personal phone number and name of the individual in question listed on it, which is poor form imo, regardless of the potential need for a whistle to be blown. 

However, that statement from the 3 Star on social media sure sounds a lot like beating around the bush of the fact that most everything in that email is true. 

Let’s all be honest here, it’s far more likely than not that today’s Air Force is going out of their way to push a social agenda over actual capability. 

[BashiChuni]

That certain three star is…interesting. I’ll keep it nice. 
 

also filing the EO complaint is a CLASSIC move. Seen it pulled a few times with malicious intent. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by BashiChuni

[FLEA]

In short, female was allowed to "quit" at several events, including a pool event and a land navigation event, but was readmitted to training each time. 

Additionally, she slandered the ST community on several occasions by decrying the standards as unreasonable and concluding that those upholding them were doing so out of misogyny. 

Furthermore, she was offered exclusive assignments to continue training, in some sort of weird barter, including placement in a highly selective unit that has additional screening processes and is normally only available to seasoned special tactics members. 

Additionally, she had exclusive access to the AFSOC chain of command including the training wing commander, and AFSOC senior staff. 

Lastly, in between her training failures, she was allowed a prestigious job as a special advisor to Gen Slife, (the above poster) where she was apparently given jurisdiction to adjust training standards for the ST community, despite the fact she was not a graduated STO at this point and never made the standards. 

Finally, she was allowed an appeal to her course completion status that has once again reopened her training status, and had allowed her to restart the pipeline, after she adjusted all of the training standards coming off the staff.... Basically she was allowed to adjust the bar to something she knew she could hit and then readmitted to training. 

If the allegations are true.... It does not look pretty. But the undertone is that senior leaders are trying to change norms in the community to make quitting acceptable, and then allow someone to be trained to hit a lower bar. The bars were gamed to be lowered based on weak arguments for mission accomplishment and the requirement that candidates possess the mental fortitude to take on extreme task without quitting is being removed from the culture. 

Edited January 7, 2022 by FLEA

[slc]

You have got to be kidding me…..WTF

[brabus]

WHAT….THE…FUCK. I don’t have first hand knowledge of what all the exact standards are for ST, let alone the 24, but I do know they can’t afford to be lowered, as what those guys do isn’t some Patty cake game this little girl (yes, she’s a whiny little girl if this is all true) can just skate through. What’s worse is lowering standards will continue and now you’ll see guys making it through who shouldn’t, and we end up with less capable people endangering the mission and those around them. Seen it in the fighter community and don’t want to see the ST bros experience the same thing. 

[Majestik Møøse]

8 hours ago, kaputt said:

Freebeacon.com has what appears to be a copy of the original email. Some googling can get you to it pretty easily. I won’t link it here because it has the personal phone number and name of the individual in question listed on it, which is poor form imo, regardless of the potential need for a whistle to be blown.

The phone numbers listed are their office phones, which is really only a punishment for base comm airmen when they have to change them all. Names…well at some level it’s ok to call out an officer by name. 0-6 and above, yes. Publicly calling out a captain by name should only be done in cases of extreme need…

[SilvioDante]

Been a long time lurker on here… but doesn’t    
“Our understanding of the best way to get trainees to meet standards and be ready to join the operational force has evolved”.   

sounds a lot like lowering standards to me…

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, SilvioDante said:

Been a long time lurker on here… but doesn’t    
“Our understanding of the best way to get trainees to meet standards and be ready to join the operational force has evolved”.   

sounds a lot like lowering standards to me…

Eh...could also mean we stop training to skills we don't need.

For example, do we need to teach marching in our commissioning sources? When was the last time anyone here marched anywhere? 

That said...this specific case definitely sounds like lowering the bar for a political outcome, not a military readiness outcome.

Edited January 7, 2022 by pawnman

[BashiChuni]

7 hours ago, FLEA said:

In short, female was allowed to "quit" at several events, including a pool event and a land navigation event, but was readmitted to training each time. 

Additionally, she slandered the ST community on several occasions by decrying the standards as unreasonable and concluding that those upholding them were doing so out of misogyny. 

Furthermore, she was offered exclusive assignments to continue training, in some sort of weird barter, including placement in a highly selective unit that has additional screening processes and is normally only available to seasoned special tactics members. 

Additionally, she had exclusive access to the AFSOC chain of command including the training wing commander, and AFSOC senior staff. 

Lastly, in between her training failures, she was allowed a prestigious job as a special advisor to Gen Slife, (the above poster) where she was apparently given jurisdiction to adjust training standards for the ST community, despite the fact she was not a graduated STO at this point and never made the standards. 

Finally, she was allowed an appeal to her course completion status that has once again reopened her training status, and had allowed her to restart the pipeline, after she adjusted all of the training standards coming off the staff.... Basically she was allowed to adjust the bar to something she knew she could hit and then readmitted to training. 

If the allegations are true.... It does not look pretty. But the undertone is that senior leaders are trying to change norms in the community to make quitting acceptable, and then allow someone to be trained to hit a lower bar. The bars were gamed to be lowered based on weak arguments for mission accomplishment and the requirement that candidates possess the mental fortitude to take on extreme task without quitting is being removed from the culture. 

if this is all true slife needs to be fired (won't happen), but god damn if that comes out as true that is fucking ridiculous

[StoleIt]

I mean...Demi Moore's character quit BUDs in the movie GI Jane and still ended up graduating...so it only makes sense.

[dream big]

15 hours ago, FLEA said:

In short, female was allowed to "quit" at several events, including a pool event and a land navigation event, but was readmitted to training each time. 

Additionally, she slandered the ST community on several occasions by decrying the standards as unreasonable and concluding that those upholding them were doing so out of misogyny. 

Furthermore, she was offered exclusive assignments to continue training, in some sort of weird barter, including placement in a highly selective unit that has additional screening processes and is normally only available to seasoned special tactics members. 

Additionally, she had exclusive access to the AFSOC chain of command including the training wing commander, and AFSOC senior staff. 

Lastly, in between her training failures, she was allowed a prestigious job as a special advisor to Gen Slife, (the above poster) where she was apparently given jurisdiction to adjust training standards for the ST community, despite the fact she was not a graduated STO at this point and never made the standards. 

Finally, she was allowed an appeal to her course completion status that has once again reopened her training status, and had allowed her to restart the pipeline, after she adjusted all of the training standards coming off the staff.... Basically she was allowed to adjust the bar to something she knew she could hit and then readmitted to training. 

If the allegations are true.... It does not look pretty. But the undertone is that senior leaders are trying to change norms in the community to make quitting acceptable, and then allow someone to be trained to hit a lower bar. The bars were gamed to be lowered based on weak arguments for mission accomplishment and the requirement that candidates possess the mental fortitude to take on extreme task without quitting is being removed from the culture. 

Meanwhile in China…

[Sua Sponte]

On 1/6/2022 at 10:49 PM, kaputt said:

Freebeacon.com has what appears to be a copy of the original email. Some googling can get you to it pretty easily. I won’t link it here because it has the personal phone number and name of the individual in question listed on it, which is poor form imo, regardless of the potential need for a whistle to be blown. 

However, that statement from the 3 Star on social media sure sounds a lot like beating around the bush of the fact that most everything in that email is true. 

Let’s all be honest here, it’s far more likely than not that today’s Air Force is going out of their way to push a social agenda over actual capability. 

"Below is the public work contact information for the military personnel involved in this issue"

That is not their personal phone number, that's their duty phone number (as stated in the memo).

https://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Air-Force-anonymous-memo.pdf

[M2]

It's funny that some think this is the first time such a thing has happened!

And some quick Googling will show the captain in question is a golden child, which again makes it less surprising!

In 1849, French writer Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr wrote “plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose!"

Still holds true today...

[Swizzle]

On 1/6/2022 at 8:31 PM, BashiChuni said:

Strange statement. 

...what's strange about a mulligan (/s)? Anyone who plays AF golf tournaments knows of them!

Now, combat mulligans are no laughing matter. Highly selective training pipelines perhaps too.

Wonder how this plays out?

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Swizzle
And I'm Confused...would par be the norm? And ball-in-hole is the standard?

[arg]

We should've never let women vote. 

[FUSEPLUG]

1 hour ago, arg said:

We should've never let women vote. 

Driving cars was a huge mistake as well. 

[brabus]

3 hours ago, FUSEPLUG said:

Driving cars was a huge mistake as well. 

 

[ClearedHot]

Sadly, it is only going to get worse.

[Bergman]

Gen Slime calls BS 

 

edit: I mean Slife

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Bergman

[dream big]

11 minutes ago, Bergman said:

Gen Slime calls BS 

 

edit: I mean Slife

 

What a hot mess. I’m glad it got the attention of Rep Crenshaw but sadly nothing will come of this.  We have seen similar stories in our own foxholes but nothing this egregious.  The worst part is, this SJW crap only further undermines qualified minorities and women that actually made it through merit. 
 

 

[FourFans]

Did some googling, and it appears this STO trainee chick has been a golden child her whole career.  It appears she was an elite college runner at USAFA who got out of her 2LT years by training for for the 2016 Olympics...but it doesn't look like she went.  According to her USAFA running bio she wanted to be a pilot, but apparently didn't make that cut either.  Not sure what AFSC she was in before trying for STO, but it feels like this all has nothing to do with capability, and has everything to do with creating the first black female STO, regardless of standards.  Sounds like she wants the beret without the bruises.

Welcome to a military created by diversity and inclusion.  I'm sure Russia and China do this too.