The WOKE Thread (Merged from WTF?)

[BashiChuni]

are you really this dense? point to me republican cities that are absolute shit holes.

i can show you numerous democratic ones.

wanna connect those dots for me?

jfc dude.

you literally admitted you don't support the local SFO policies. a city run 100% by democrats. but then you argue you're happy with democrat policies and will continue voting for them. you make zero sense.

[nsplayr]

27 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

are you really this dense? point to me republican cities that are absolute shit holes.

i can show you numerous democratic ones.

wanna connect those dots for me?

jfc dude.

you literally admitted you don't support the local SFO policies. a city run 100% by democrats. but then you argue you're happy with democrat policies and will continue voting for them. you make zero sense.

No US city is an absolute shithole, you should know this if you have ever deployed.

Which city is a “Republican city” that you’d like to use? The largest one with a Republican mayor at least used to be Jacksonville, FL, but a Dem was just elected there. That doesn’t account for city councils, etc.

YMMV on how a city is governed also depending on the state, as was pointed out, and I don’t disagree that long-term one party rule often leads to sclerotic institutions. There’s often improved results when elections are competitive and there are cross-pressures between federal, state and local levels. Not always, not everywhere, but generally.

There is no GOP New York, LA, Chicago, etc. to compare right now. Why is that? Some of these cities had GOP mayors that I remember, why are republicans no longer competitive in big cities?

And Eric Adams, Karen Bass, and Brandon Johnson are also different types of Dems and from obviously different places and facing different local issues. Is one of them doing a better job than the others in your opinion?

Edited June 5, 2023 by nsplayr

[BashiChuni]

you're unwilling to engage in a logical debate and blinded by your ideology.

jacksonville?! lol. ok dude.

continue to evade the obvious.

[nsplayr]

I don’t know what you’re asking or wanting here. There are no comparable large cities run by republicans right now, that was my point in mentioning Jacksonville. Why is that do you think?

I’m starting to think it’s time to part ways on this convo, good luck.

[RASH]

I’m starting to think it’s time to part ways on this convo, good luck.

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[lloyd christmas]

4 hours ago, nsplayr said:

No US city is an absolute shithole, you should know this if you have ever deployed.

We don’t live in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, etc, 

Raise your standards.  

Edited June 5, 2023 by lloyd christmas

[BashiChuni]

4 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I don’t know what you’re asking or wanting here. There are no comparable large cities run by republicans right now, that was my point in mentioning Jacksonville. Why is that do you think?

I’m starting to think it’s time to part ways on this convo, good luck.

democratic corruption with the mob and unions. easy answer. NEXT!

[FourFans]

5 hours ago, nsplayr said:

No US city is an absolute shithole

Clearly you've not spent time in Detroit.

Edited June 5, 2023 by FourFans

[BashiChuni]

1 minute ago, FourFans said:

Clearly you've not spent time in Detroit.

bro he lives in nashville he LOVES it! every other city has got to be just like nashville what are you even talking about bigot?! /s

[VMFA187]

On 6/5/2023 at 9:55 AM, nsplayr said:

No US city is an absolute shithole, you should know this if you have ever deployed.

 

So is no one in the US poor because we are comparing ourselves to the world's population now?

[Vito]

Nsplayer,

 You are delusional if you think Memphis is a “fun city” Also you’re more than delusional if you can’t understand all these shithole cities are entirely run and ruined by Democrat policies and democrat administrations. 
Watch this video, it happened a few weeks ago in Memphis.

BTW I only knew 2 pilots in 28 years who were Democrats, now I know 3. 
https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1661436370173263873?s=20

Edited June 6, 2023 by Vito

[nsplayr]

3 hours ago, Vito said:

You are delusional if you think Memphis is a “fun city” Also you’re more than delusional if you can’t understand all these shithole cities are entirely run and ruined by Democrat policies and democrat administrations. 
Watch this video, it happened a few weeks ago in Memphis.

Man sure a lot of Republicans who seem to hate America these days /sarcasm…only sort of.

Like is Memphis the Garden of Eden or  even in my top 69 places I’d want to live in the world? No. Is it a “shithole city?” Also no. Again, I don’t live there, but any one of you is perfectly able to visit Memphis, have a good time, etc. I know several FedEx folks who live on the close suburbs and they don’t seem to be having a terrible time in life.

I’m still waiting if anyone wants to offer up an rationale of why there aren’t any well-run large cities governed by Republicans that the “Dem hellholes” can look up to? Why are Republicans so uncompetitive in America’s largest population centers, especially at the local level? NYC used to have Republican mayors not that long ago, why can’t y’all win anymore? Granted the current mayor Eric Adams is kind of a Republican lol 😅

It’s just funny man, I come on here saying, “American cities aren’t shitholes that are literally burning to the ground” and am called delusional, naive, etc. AND I also get tasked to defend every dumbass local political decision ever made in dozens of places where I’ve never been in charge for a single day. 🤷‍♂️ Ok.

My point is y’all’s pessimism is overblown and America is a great country with some fantastic cities (and medium/small towns, and rural areas!) and if you are terminally pessimistic and scared and angry all the time I’m sorry you are going through your one relatively short, precious life that way.

I fully acknowledge that I can be irrationally optimistic in life, but my god, better that than the opposite!

3 hours ago, Vito said:

BTW I only knew 2 pilots in 28 years who were Democrats, now I know 3.

Congrats on coming out of your bubble! I know double than number just in my current squadron alone, and this is a ANG squadron in the south, not exactly a bastion of liberals.

I also 100% guarantee you’ve known more, there are just a lot of people who don’t wanna bring up liberal political views in an environment like a flying squadron that’s typically heavily right wing, and that’s ok. When the country is relatively 50/50, surely you have to recognize that many of the people you have worked with, seen in daily life, etc. have different political beliefs than you.

Edited June 6, 2023 by nsplayr

[Sim]

Why did evil nazi republicans did this? 🙄

[Sim]

 

One more republican run city!  If only they elected someone other than red. 

[Biff_T]

We need to build a tent city and bus (boat, airdrop, ropes lol) all of the zombies to it.   Maybe on an island, like Alcatraz.   What is the point of living if that is your life?    Shitting, pissing and drugs fuck that shit.  

[slc]

 

[Biff_T]

31 minutes ago, slc said:

 

[slc]

Awesome.  Been looking for a Snake Plissken starter kit

[Biff_T]

6 minutes ago, slc said:

Awesome.  Been looking for a Snake Plissken starter kit

They need to issue these to future retirees during TAPS.   

[Boomer6]

On 6/6/2023 at 5:29 PM, nsplayr said:

Man sure a lot of Republicans who seem to hate America these days /sarcasm…only sort of.

Like is Memphis the Garden of Eden or  even in my top 69 places I’d want to live in the world? No. Is it a “shithole city?” Also no. Again, I don’t live there, but any one of you is perfectly able to visit Memphis, have a good time, etc. I know several FedEx folks who live on the close suburbs and they don’t seem to be having a terrible time in life.

I’m still waiting if anyone wants to offer up an rationale of why there aren’t any well-run large cities governed by Republicans that the “Dem hellholes” can look up to? Why are Republicans so uncompetitive in America’s largest population centers, especially at the local level? NYC used to have Republican mayors not that long ago, why can’t y’all win anymore? Granted the current mayor Eric Adams is kind of a Republican lol 😅

It’s just funny man, I come on here saying, “American cities aren’t shitholes that are literally burning to the ground” and am called delusional, naive, etc. AND I also get tasked to defend every dumbass local political decision ever made in dozens of places where I’ve never been in charge for a single day. 🤷‍♂️ Ok.

My point is y’all’s pessimism is overblown and America is a great country with some fantastic cities (and medium/small towns, and rural areas!) and if you are terminally pessimistic and scared and angry all the time I’m sorry you are going through your one relatively short, precious life that way.

I fully acknowledge that I can be irrationally optimistic in life, but my god, better that than the opposite!

Congrats on coming out of your bubble! I know double than number just in my current squadron alone, and this is a ANG squadron in the south, not exactly a bastion of liberals.

I also 100% guarantee you’ve known more, there are just a lot of people who don’t wanna bring up liberal political views in an environment like a flying squadron that’s typically heavily right wing, and that’s ok. When the country is relatively 50/50, surely you have to recognize that many of the people you have worked with, seen in daily life, etc. have different political beliefs than you.

Do you think metropolitan areas as a whole across the U.S. are safer than they were say 5-10 years ago, the same as they were, or less safe?

Same question but instead of safe insert “cleaner”?

Are there more homeless, the same amount of homeless, or less homeless?

Genuine questions, and I understand you haven’t been to all U.S. metropolitan areas, but what is your impression?

[Vito]

NSPlayer,

  I'll be blunt..I grew up in The Bronx during the 70's and 80's. Those were the Ft. Apache years (look it up) anyway the City was a mess, high crime, people leaving in droves, financial issues, high taxes, an Garbage and graffiti was everywhere. Rudy Guiliani gets elected Mayor, the first Republican in a long time. He"s tough on crime and within a year or two the streets are cleaned, the beggars are gone the"Squeegee" guys harassing motorists gone, and the City experiences a Renaissance. 42st street, went from a drug infested, crime zone filled with druggies and porno theaters to something akin to Disney world for tourists. the murder count dropped from over 2500/year to 400/year.  the City stayed that way for 14 years under 2 Republican administrations until a democrat was elected in 2014 Bill DeBlasio. Since a democrat was elected the city has reverted back to the dirty, crime ridden, days. I know because I live and work near NYC. The same has happened to the State of California, Portland, San Fran, Memphis, Chicago, the list is ENDLESS. and its all under Democrat rule. Democrats have a knack for ruining things, and people are noticing and voting with their feet. If you haven't noticed yourself, open your eyes. 

[nsplayr]

1 hour ago, Vito said:

I'll be blunt..I grew up in The Bronx during the 70's and 80's. 

Yea, those were some rough years man, props to you for getting through that shit. I'm glad we have significantly cleaned up crime in US cities since the mid-90s.

It's funny that one of the two Republican mayors you give credit to is...Michael Bloomberg 😅 I get that he was officially a republican for his first two terms, but you know where he stands today politically. He would get 0.01% of the vote were he to run for office as a Republican today.

I am pro-enforcing the law, I am against defunding the police, I am in favor of legalizing most drugs rather than having a broken-windows policy for low-level drug users. Legalization would also severely curtain illegal drug dealing, because users could get legal, safer drugs from authorized distributors, just like alcohol and weed now in many states. Doing drugs is usually destructive and I don't do drugs myself or encourage other people to do them, but in the War on Drugs, drugs won, and we need a different approach. Prohibition of alcohol didn't work either. Legalization + safe supply (eradicating fentanyl) + robustly funded support for getting clean for those who want to, plus abundant housing - no doing drugs in the street or on public transit.

Speaking of abundant housing, I'm also an extreme YIMBY and I think the #1 scourge of urban life today is a lack of enough housing. I want to build build build and jettison every uptight "local control" NIMBY liberal directly into the sun for their role in making their cities worse for everyone else.

I genuinely think that slate of policies would make urban life in particular better. More housing, more freedom, and the ability for a robust police force to focus on violent and destructive crimes rather than drug addiction.

[nsplayr]

1 hour ago, Vito said:

Democrats have a knack for ruining things, and people are noticing and voting with their feet. If you haven't noticed yourself, open your eyes. 

So when will this translate into voters electing Republicans to run major cities again? Like you said, NYC has had Republican mayors relatively recently. Why can't the GOP win in cities anymore? If it's all so self-evident, why isn't there a single city larger than Fort Worth with a Republican mayor? Only 9 out of the 50 biggest US cities have Republican mayors. 18% ain't good! Ya know what, I'll be charitable and give you another 0.25 of a mayor for Eric Adams in NYC lol.

People ask all the time why can't Dems compete in rural areas. There are endless "old guys in a diner in exurban Ohio" think pieces. I'm asking why can't Republicans compete in the country's major population centers? Why isn't there a "shining city on the hill" run by the GOP that all these "shithole" Dem cities can look up to and copy? 🧐

Edited June 8, 2023 by nsplayr

[nsplayr]

4 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Do you think metropolitan areas as a whole across the U.S. are safer than they were say 5-10 years ago, the same as they were, or less safe?

Same question but instead of safe insert “cleaner”?

Are there more homeless, the same amount of homeless, or less homeless?

Genuine questions, and I understand you haven’t been to all U.S. metropolitan areas, but what is your impression?

This is violent crime and for the US as a whole, not just urban areas...but overall it's way down from the 90s, and relatively static from 5-10 years ago. There has been some uptick during and post-COVID that we should reverse, but overall the longer trend is very good. The country is much safer than when I was a kid!

"Cleaner" is subjective, but my experience is that NYC is a lot cleaner than when I went there as a kid, I remember it being pretty gross.

Within the last 5-10 years I've only lived in one city where I can give you real lived experience vs short tourist trips, and Nashville's cleanliness is unchanged IMHO since I've lived here - static at an acceptably clean level.

 

Overall US homelessness is slightly higher than 5 years ago, and slightly lower than 10 years ago, although as you can see, it's pretty static. I didn't do a shred-out for urban specifically, this is the whole country's trend, but that is probably knowable data with some digging.

BL: the city I have lived in / near for the timeframe you asked is basically unchanged in the categories you mentioned. Violent crime is up a bit very recently and that's bad, but it doesn't change the overall trend of way down from the peak in the mid 90s. We're right at our historical average over the last approx. 60 years; neither particularly good nor bad.

There has not been a significant change in cleanliness IMO or homelessness in my city either. YMMV depending on where you live, but like I said above, cleanliness is subjective somewhat and homelessness is relatively static for the country as a whole.

Edited June 8, 2023 by nsplayr

[Pooter]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

So when will this translate into voters electing Republicans to run major cities again? Like you said, NYC has had Republican mayors relatively recently. Why can't the GOP win in cities anymore? If it's all so self-evident, why isn't there a single city larger than Fort Worth with a Republican mayor? Only 9 out of the 50 biggest US cities have Republican mayors. 18% ain't good! Ya know what, I'll be charitable and give you another 0.25 of a mayor for Eric Adams in NYC lol.

People ask all the time why can't Dems compete in rural areas. There are endless "old guys in a diner in exurban Ohio" think pieces. I'm asking why can't Republicans compete in the country's major population centers? Why isn't there a "shining city on the hill" run by the GOP that all these "shithole" Dem cities can look up to and copy? 🧐

I mean it's mainly a question of demographics. Big cities lean extremely heavily left because big cities attract tech, finance, and corporate workers who also lean overwhelmingly left. And Americans are far too tribal to vote for someone of the opposite party who might actually clean up the streets over someone in their own party. No matter how heinous the results continue to be. 
 

If you're looking for a good model to emulate I'm not sure why it has to be a big city. There's excellent conservative governance going on in medium size cities/towns all over the country.