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Standby Gray Beard

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  On 6/26/2023 at 5:48 PM, nsplayr said:

What you do on your property is between you, the government and God, I as a random neighbor should have zero say in that.

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See, fundamental difference…the government shouldn’t really have a say either.

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  On 6/26/2023 at 1:11 PM, jice said:

There’s a saying about a horse… You can lead a horse to water but you can’t stop the train wreck?

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Pooter Gray Beard

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  On 6/26/2023 at 11:20 PM, Standby said:

See, fundamental difference…the government shouldn’t really have a say either.

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?? How about noise ordinances. Would you be jazzed if your neighbor was discharging firearms outside all night? Or blasting music till 4am? or how about if they were burning trash in their front yard upwind of your home? 
 

Yes HOAs suck because they tend to overstep, but the government absolutely has a role to restrict certain behaviors even on private property. Because unless you're on a ranch in rural Montana all the stuff I listed above will affect other people in a normal neighborhood. 
 

I hope you don't have to experience truly sh!t neighbors. I have. And I assure you that after they blow you off in a face to face talk, you wouldn't hesitate to get the government involved. 
 

 

Standby Gray Beard

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  On 6/27/2023 at 9:11 PM, Pooter said:

?? How about noise ordinances. Would you be jazzed if your neighbor was discharging firearms outside all night? Or blasting music till 4am? or how about if they were burning trash in their front yard upwind of your home? 
 

Yes HOAs suck because they tend to overstep, but the government absolutely has a role to restrict certain behaviors even on private property. Because unless you're on a ranch in rural Montana all the stuff I listed above will affect other people in a normal neighborhood. 
 

I hope you don't have to experience truly sh!t neighbors. I have. And I assure you that after they blow you off in a face to face talk, you wouldn't hesitate to get the government involved. 
 

 

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Is this the same government that allows squatters to pirate someone’s home, and then forces the owners to endure lengthy waiting periods before eviction action…oftentimes without further reprisal to the criminals? Or is it the other government that forces me to spend exorbitant amounts of money for a pool fence to prevent trespassing kids from drowning on my private property? Or perhaps it’s the other, other government that wants me to gain their permission before cutting down dead trees on my land?

Loud music, gunshots in residential, trash burning…maybe you should stop being a tight wad and move out of the slums. 

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  On 6/27/2023 at 9:26 PM, Standby said:

Is this the same government that allows squatters to pirate someone’s home, and then forces the owners to endure lengthy waiting periods before eviction action…oftentimes without further reprisal to the criminals? Or is it the other government that forces me to spend exorbitant amounts of money for a pool fence to prevent trespassing kids from drowning on my private property? Or perhaps it’s the other, other government that wants me to gain their permission before cutting down dead trees on my land?

Loud music, gunshots in residential, trash burning…maybe you should stop being a tight wad and move out of the slums. 

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Are these things that have happened to you or just a list of Fox News prime time gripes?

Regardless, thanks for validating my argument. The fact that you called it "the slums" is an overt admission that doing whatever you want on your property can have externalities and can make a whole area less nice. In an alternate reality we could have a nuanced discussion about which things the government should and shouldn't regulate on private property. No trash burning: probably makes sense. Overly specific pool fence laws: probably not.


But you already came up with the most genius solution.. just stop being poor! Wonder if poor people have thought of that..
 

 

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HeloDude Gray Beard

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Well it’s good to know we don’t have drugs being illegally made, trafficked, sold, consumed, etc…you know, because the government prevents it.

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  On 6/27/2023 at 9:11 PM, Pooter said:

hope you don't have to experience truly sh!t neighbors. I have. And I assure you that after they blow you off in a face to face talk, you wouldn't hesitate to get the government involved

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This would suck.  

To be honest, I'd have no issues punching my neighbor in the face if they were this disrespectful.   I live in CA and I would definitely be arrested and become the first person excuted here in the last few decades (because Im a white male and we're on the chopping blocks) lol.  But to punch someone who deserves it, there is no better feeling on Earth.  

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  On 6/27/2023 at 9:26 PM, Standby said:

Loud music, gunshots in residential, trash burning…maybe you should stop being a tight wad and move out of the slums. 

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Here's where you lost the thread. You were doing well.

 

Are conservatives so far on their heels now that they're arguing for no government involvement at all? Because that's not conservatism, it's not even libertarianism, it's anarchy. The right to property includes protection against other people whose actions would prevent you from using/enjoying yours the way you see fit.

 

No matter how hard we try, ultimately, that is the subjective line that needs to be defined with limiting principles. Your entire first paragraph was a great list of oversteps, but it's pretty nuts to tell someone that they should move out of the slums as though that's the only place you'll ever be where someone is playing loud music at 3:00 a.m.

 

You should spend some time if you ever get the chance talking to someone who deals with code enforcement at the city or town level. They're not going to be able to justify everything, but a lot of the rules that seem absurd are actually based on very difficult to decide cases. For example, I found it thoroughly obnoxious that our town has someone driving around making sure no one has overgrown yards (greater than 12"). And honestly, I don't think they should have someone who is proactively looking to enforce these rules, but the tall grasses very quickly become breeding grounds for rats and mice that migrate to the surrounding houses seeking shelter. I know this because my neighbor was overwhelmed by a flood of rats from my property, and when I finally got around to whacking down the overgrowth it looked like one of the biblical plagues scurrying away from my lot.

 

My biggest problem with code enforcement is when the actual affected parties are all communicating and comfortable with a code violation, but the town is unwilling to waive policy. These laws and regulations exist to protect property owners from other property owners, so if the property owners don't care, the town shouldn't have any standing to enforce. That's where we start to see the real overreach.

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Pooter Gray Beard

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  On 6/28/2023 at 3:04 PM, Lord Ratner said:

Smart words

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100%. Limiting principles are the name of the game. I will be the first to admit HOAs and local governments can go way overboard with restrictive regulations. But that doesn't validate the "gubment can't tell me what to do on my property" argument. 
 

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and yes I will also acknowledge the government is ineffective in many ways, most notably in the war on drugs.. which has basically nothing to do with local level property code enforcement.

 

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  On 6/28/2023 at 6:41 PM, Pooter said:

 

@HeloDude

and yes I will also acknowledge the government is ineffective in many ways, most notably in the war on drugs.. which has basically nothing to do with local level property code enforcement.

 

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Actually it does.  It shows that laws don’t stop certain things from happening…whether these are laws against using drugs or laws against putting a pool in your backyard with only a 4’ fence and not a 5’ fence.  It’s all selective enforcement…so all you’re doing is screwing over a certain segment of the population for a victimless crime, regardless of whether it’s a local, state, or federal law.

Try calling the cops in NYC for your neighbor playing their music too loud and see if the cops care enough to stop by…I doubt it many cases it will happen. So saying we need laws for people to put up/not put their fences, put up/not put solar panels, etc is straight up stupid.  

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Bonus Hole lol

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  On 6/30/2023 at 11:39 AM, brabus said:

These people are fucking lunatics. Their mental incapacity knows no boundaries. 

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But nearly half the country supports this type of nonsense…even several guys on this site.

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Biff_T Gray Beard

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The bonus hole has historically been her butt, only now have the liberals decided to shake things up with another change to the way things have always been.  Is it a distraction from something? Lol

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  On 6/30/2023 at 12:34 PM, HeloDude said:

But nearly half the country supports this type of nonsense…even several guys on this site.

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I think most of the country does not support the radical bullshit. However most of the country does share in the blame when they do nothing about it (except stick their heads in the sand/bitch about it at the BBQ but demonstrate no action). There’s a difference between actively believing in, and actioning on, these things and just standing on the sideline. 

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