Swizzle Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Blue said: Good to see Col Curry (319 RW/CC) really lead in the most Air Force-way possible. Set a 28 Sept deadline, in order to come in a full five weeks ahead of the 2 Nov deadline given by the Air Force. Way to lean forward Colonel. Also, have to wonder how strange these letters sound to anyone who hasn't been in the military. "You are hereby reprimanded! You are ordered to proceed to transition class, where you will be counseled on how to make you transition to civilian life as smooth as possible. Also, make sure to get checked out at the clinic." I think some people are assuming you'll get marched to the front gate and literally "kicked" out onto the street. But did you see his Master's in Pastoral Counseling from Liberty, VA?!...the morality class (catholic centric maybe??) must've been online, and wonder what (and if) he discussed in it...intriguing twist Edited October 15, 2021 by Swizzle Sp 2
Bender Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 Good to see Col Curry (319 RW/CC) really lead in the most Air Force-way possible. Set a 28 Sept deadline, in order to come in a full five weeks ahead of the 2 Nov deadline given by the Air Force. Way to lean forward Colonel. Also, have to wonder how strange these letters sound to anyone who hasn't been in the military. "You are hereby reprimanded! You are ordered to proceed to transition class, where you will be counseled on how to make you transition to civilian life as smooth as possible. Also, make sure to get checked out at the clinic." I think some people are assuming you'll get marched to the front gate and literally "kicked" out onto the street.Is it normal to only see the last 5 assignments in the bio? I feel like they usually list everything. DS to Vice to CC of the same wing in 3 years…also, unusual to me.~BendySent from my iPad using Baseops Network mobile app 1
Pooter Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 2 hours ago, BashiChuni said: No explanation from the elites It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. 2 2
Standby Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 9 minutes ago, Pooter said: It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. Are what ifs are open? What if, instead of locking down the country and forcing people to PIO their social interactions we just lived normal lives? I think more people would have been sick sooner, but do you think we’d be past it sooner as well? Are we delaying the inevitable and attempting to control an uncontrollable force of nature? Will letting it run its natural course bring a large immediate death toll but then taper significantly? I’m not smart enough to know, but I don’t believe anybody out there is either. All of the predictions have been wrong at this point.
FLEA Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Pooter said: It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. Are you saying the experts were "surprised" when a virus mutated? If so we may need to evaluate their credentialed expertise. But this was totally predictable. Only the US is having these massive communication failures. In Europe they were talking about Delta concerns with the vaccine as far back as February. I remember a TIME article from January that predicted the virus would likely out mutate the vaccine and the likely conclusion to the pandemic would be mutation to a variant that human society can tolerate. 1
Sim Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf Quote VERIFIED CLASS ACTION COMPLAINT FOR PRELIMINARY AND PERMANENT INJUNCTIVE RELIEF AND DECLARATORY RELIEF Another class action suite filed.
Guest Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Pooter said: It's almost like a new strain happened right about that time, changing the situation and all of the underlying assumptions. No need for elites.. it's quite obvious what happened. People on the right got it wrong too. Ben Shapiro was harping for weeks about how the pandemic was effectively over.. right before cases went through the stratosphere again. YOU THINK (((BEN SHAPIRO))) is part of the U.S. conservative movement? HAHAHAAHHA
Day Man Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 7 hours ago, Sim said: https://lc.org/PDFs/Attachments2PRsLAs/101521BidenDODVerifiedClassActionComplaintwithExhibits.pdf Another class action suite filed. justifying positions based on cherry-picked religious positions...this is my surprised face. 2 1
Guest Posted October 16, 2021 Posted October 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Day Man said: justifying positions based on cherry-picked religious positions...this is my surprised face. What’s the alternative to following God? Being an atheist? Cringe.
pawnman Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 15 hours ago, Day Man said: justifying positions based on cherry-picked religious positions...this is my surprised face. Maybe this one will have fewer spelling errors. 2
Pooter Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 On 10/15/2021 at 8:51 PM, Standby said: Are what ifs are open? What if, instead of locking down the country and forcing people to PIO their social interactions we just lived normal lives? I think more people would have been sick sooner, but do you think we’d be past it sooner as well? Are we delaying the inevitable and attempting to control an uncontrollable force of nature? Will letting it run its natural course bring a large immediate death toll but then taper significantly? I’m not smart enough to know, but I don’t believe anybody out there is either. All of the predictions have been wrong at this point. The counter argument to letting covid just do its thing has always been healthcare capacity. The peak of our last two spikes already overwhelmed hospitals in certain places and that was with all of the mitigation measures in place.
Sim Posted October 17, 2021 Posted October 17, 2021 https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/001-Complaint-101021.pdf One more lawsuit by those "anti-vaxer" scientists and doctors asking for "full transparency".
Alpharatz Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 Volunteering to be the non-treated control subjects for a deadly disease is pretty much un-heard of. The sociological, political etc. research will be as fascinating as the medical. For example..will those who have refused a vaccine hold tough to the bitter end? Have regrets? Sail on through? Actually the sky is the limit when studying this event..The PHd's will fly like...I know...re-engined Buffs... 1
Pooter Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 On 10/16/2021 at 7:41 AM, dogfish78 said: YOU THINK (((BEN SHAPIRO))) is part of the U.S. conservative movement? HAHAHAAHHA Considering his enormous viewership, self-described conservative media company, and the fact that his talking points are reliably echoed all over baseops 6-9 hours after they air, yes. I do. So when do we get to the part where you make an actual argument.. because so far all I'm seeing is you drawing things out of a hat at random to disagree about.
pawnman Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 8 hours ago, Alpharatz said: Volunteering to be the non-treated control subjects for a deadly disease is pretty much un-heard of. The sociological, political etc. research will be as fascinating as the medical. For example..will those who have refused a vaccine hold tough to the bitter end? Have regrets? Sail on through? Actually the sky is the limit when studying this event..The PHd's will fly like...I know...re-engined Buffs... Been seeing a lot of stories like this. But I fully admit that some anecdotes don't add up to statistically significant data. It'll be interesting when we collect the data in a large-scale study, for sure. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/unvaccinated-hospitalized-patients-say-they-regret-not-getting-shot-n1273342
tac airlifter Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, pawnman said: Been seeing a lot of stories like this. But I fully admit that some anecdotes don't add up to statistically significant data. It'll be interesting when we collect the data in a large-scale study, for sure. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/unvaccinated-hospitalized-patients-say-they-regret-not-getting-shot-n1273342 Ive also been seeing a lot of stories like this throughout the pandemic, but interestingly none of them have any evidence that withstands casual scrutiny. Was there a single unvaccinated person quoted in your article about what unvaccinated people say? Or just a handful of cherry picked doctors and administration officials? Was there airtime given to anyone who could articulate an opposing viewpoint, or were they simply relying on authority to tel you what you should think while characterizing opposition as ignorant? This far into our pandemic with so much obvious propaganda, I’m disappointed you wouldn’t exercise a little more critical thinking coming across obvious propaganda pieces like that. What’s surprising to me reading that link, is anyone would view that without skepticism in light of so many similar yet debunked stories. 5
brabus Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, pawnman said: Been seeing a lot of stories like this. But I fully admit that some anecdotes don't add up to statistically significant data. It'll be interesting when we collect the data in a large-scale study, for sure. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/unvaccinated-hospitalized-patients-say-they-regret-not-getting-shot-n1273342 And how many of those patients with regret sucking on a ventilator have multiple comorbidities and are generally unhealthy? The data says 95%. I bet they do have regret, as the vaccine would have been a less risky choice for them. Additionally, let’s not dismiss all the people who have regrets of getting the vaccine…it’s a large number, certainly anecdotally no less than heartstrings-pulling news stories like this one. 1
brabus Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, tac airlifter said: What’s surprising to me reading that link, is anyone would view that without skepticism in light of so many similar yet debunked stories. One example of many: just recently a story in Canada went on a on about this “perfectly healthy 14 yr old” who died from COVID and how refusal to get the vaccine was the primary CF. Except enter stage left when his parents come out and say he was terminally ill with cancer, and it was at the point they were expecting/ready for him to pass; the death was of zero surprise to them. The autopsy revealed he happened to have COVID at the time, which played no significant factor in the death. Once again, the MSM makes up a story hardly rooted in truth while purposely suppressing critical info/perspective that would otherwise sink their emotional sale. So many people in the world have lost/never had critical thinking skills. At this point, every single thing you see on the news/social media should immediately be met with “probably complete bullshit/wildly leaving out countering facts” until you can validate with multiple sources (ideally non-profit/non-political ones). 1 3
FLEA Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, tac airlifter said: Ive also been seeing a lot of stories like this throughout the pandemic, but interestingly none of them have any evidence that withstands casual scrutiny. Was there a single unvaccinated person quoted in your article about what unvaccinated people say? Or just a handful of cherry picked doctors and administration officials? Was there airtime given to anyone who could articulate an opposing viewpoint, or were they simply relying on authority to tel you what you should think while characterizing opposition as ignorant? This far into our pandemic with so much obvious propaganda, I’m disappointed you wouldn’t exercise a little more critical thinking coming across obvious propaganda pieces like that. What’s surprising to me reading that link, is anyone would view that without skepticism in light of so many similar yet debunked stories. What people relentlessly pushing this vaccine dont realize is the reason you have so many people weary of the vaccine is because they don't trust the institution (the US government, pharmaceuticals, and US media). When the news media push pieces like this that use deception (omission of facts, data, context or counterpoints), people see right through it, and it furthers their distrust. Why would I trust an institution that feels they have to deceive me? Maybe they're experts, but they're experts with an agenda, and any person's individual well-being is not part of that agenda. Edited October 18, 2021 by FLEA 1 4
pawnman Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FLEA said: What people relentlessly pushing this vaccine dont realize is the reason you have so many people weary of the vaccine is because they don't trust the institution (the US government, pharmaceuticals, and US media). When the news media push pieces like this that use deception (omission of facts, data, context or counterpoints), people see right through it, and it furthers their distrust. Why would I trust an institution that feels they have to deceive me? Maybe they're experts, but they're experts with an agenda, and any person's individual well-being is not part of that agenda. It's unfortunate, because it means there is literally no way to get them to listen to new information. The people doing the research are the experts they don't trust. The people collecting the data are the medical experts they don't trust. The people publishing the information are the MSM sources they don't trust. I don't know how you introduce any new information to this group of people. It is fascinating to me, however, that a large number of people who claim not to trust the CDC or FDA will jump all over any data that confirms their own point. The CDC and FDA say vaccines are safe and effective? "Can't trust them". The CDC reports a rise in breakthrough infections? "See, the CDC says the vaccines aren't effective". 1
herkbier Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, pawnman said: It's unfortunate, because it means there is literally no way to get them to listen to new information. The people doing the research are the experts they don't trust. The people collecting the data are the medical experts they don't trust. The people publishing the information are the MSM sources they don't trust. I don't know how you introduce any new information to this group of people. It is fascinating to me, however, that a large number of people who claim not to trust the CDC or FDA will jump all over any data that confirms their own point. The CDC and FDA say vaccines are safe and effective? "Can't trust them". The CDC reports a rise in breakthrough infections? "See, the CDC says the vaccines aren't effective". It’s actually very easy.. you start with being truthful in everything you say. You have integrity. You admit everywhere you’ve failed to do that. You don’t tell white lies of omission for political reasons or to try and steer people one way or the other. Those institutions have proven they can’t be trusted. It will take time to regain the public’s trust.. that shouldn’t be surprising. edit: You also get out of the news = entertainment business. You engage in thorough reporting and cite reliable, vetted sources. You acknowledge opposing viewpoints without thinly veiled swipes. Edited October 18, 2021 by herkbier 2 6
tac airlifter Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 1 hour ago, pawnman said: It's unfortunate, because it means there is literally no way to get them to listen to new information. Not true. Show some good faith and hold accountable those who have lied, then I’m willing to hear new info. Fire Fauci. That’s a great starting point for transmission of new info. Hold accountable some of the many journalists who have engaged in the “noble lie” and attempts to deceive. When trust is broken, step 1 to restoration is acknowledging the failure. Step 2 is accountability. Without either of those, we can’t move forward. 1 2
ecugringo Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 Just read Colin Powel passed from Covid and was fully vaxed. I read last week some guy who won an emmy who was like 53 passed as well from COVID and vaxed. Then I also saw a college kid at UGA died as well and was vaxed. I live in CO, 24% of all 900 hospitilizations are fully vaxed. If the other 76% were, would they be in the hospital or is it just bad luck? CO is one of the most vaxed states yet we are in our 2nd biggest wave. We also have a city cop suing the city over forced to be vaxed who is not paralyzed. I know there is a 33 yr old woman in Pittsburgh who also was paralyzed from the vaccine. I personally know a college girl who was on scholarship and now has the heart inflamation from the vax. At this point with all the breakthrough/need for boosters cases you can legitimately question the effectivness of shot. The shot also doesnt end this. It might help the burden on hospitals but thats really it. 1
VMFA187 Posted October 18, 2021 Posted October 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, ecugringo said: Just read Colin Powel passed from Covid and was fully vaxed. I read last week some guy who won an emmy who was like 53 passed as well from COVID and vaxed. Then I also saw a college kid at UGA died as well and was vaxed. I live in CO, 24% of all 900 hospitilizations are fully vaxed. If the other 76% were, would they be in the hospital or is it just bad luck? CO is one of the most vaxed states yet we are in our 2nd biggest wave. We also have a city cop suing the city over forced to be vaxed who is not paralyzed. I know there is a 33 yr old woman in Pittsburgh who also was paralyzed from the vaccine. I personally know a college girl who was on scholarship and now has the heart inflamation from the vax. At this point with all the breakthrough/need for boosters cases you can legitimately question the effectivness of shot. The shot also doesnt end this. It might help the burden on hospitals but thats really it. He too was suffering from cancer but none of the headlines and only few of the articles mention that. 1
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