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[pawnman]

Looks like the Air Force is full steam ahead on separating people.

Press to test if you want...but don't be surprised when you get administratively separated without your GI Bill.

[bfargin]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

Looks like the Air Force is full steam ahead on separating people.

Press to test if you want...but don't be surprised when you get administratively separated without your GI Bill.

Giddy with delight, it seems.

[pawnman]

51 minutes ago, bfargin said:

Giddy with delight, it seems.

Interpret it however you want.

[Pooter]

First it was "I'm waiting on FDA approval" then it was a religious exemption, and now it's marketing name brand semantics.  It has become clear this is 100% political and nothing will ever be good enough for these people. They're doing a bad job of hiding the ball, and it's fun to watch the Air Force call them on it. 
 

A big part joining the military is putting duty  above political affiliation. But some of you have gotten so wrapped up in this vaccine debate that it's become a part of your political identity, and by extension, your personal identity. At that point you are putting your political priors ahead of duty and country, so I won't lose a wink of sleep when the military shows you the door. 

[FLEA]

2 minutes ago, Pooter said:

First it was "I'm waiting on FDA approval" then it was a religious exemption, and now it's marketing name brand semantics.  It has become clear this is 100% political and nothing will ever be good enough for these people. They're doing a bad job of hiding the ball, and it's fun to watch the Air Force call them on it. 
 

A big part joining the military is putting duty  above political affiliation. But some of you have gotten so wrapped up in this vaccine debate that it's become a part of your political identity, and by extension, your personal identity. At that point you are putting your political priors ahead of duty and country, so I won't lose a wink of sleep when the military shows you the door. 

Can you explain how this is political? People keep parroting that without demonstrating what political victory comes out of this? I realize there is a divide in political affiliation between people who got the vaccine and didn't, but correlation does not mean causation. I think you are just searching for a rational reason to justify this without following that thought all the way through. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by FLEA

[Sua Sponte]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

Looks like the Air Force is full steam ahead on separating people.

Press to test if you want...but don't be surprised when you get administratively separated without your GI Bill.

I don’t know how it works for officers but if enlisted are not within their first enlistment, they’ll retain their G.I. Bill.

[uhhello]

23 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

I don’t know how it works for officers but if enlisted are not within their first enlistment, they’ll retain their G.I. Bill.

General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions

A general discharge under honorable conditions means that your service was satisfactory, but did not deserve the highest level of discharge for performance and conduct. Many veterans with this type of discharge may have engaged in minor misconduct. While a discharge under honorable conditions may not be what a veteran wants on his or her resume, it qualifies for VA health care, TRICARE's Continued Health Care Benefit Program (military health insurance), VA disability compensation, VA pension, VA home loans, and all other veterans benefits except for educational benefits under the Montgomery or Post-9/11 GI Bill. (For the Montgomery GI Bill program or Post-9/11 GI Bill program, you need an honorable discharge.)

[Pooter]

1 hour ago, FLEA said:

Can you explain how this is political? People keep parroting that without demonstrating what political victory comes out of this? I realize there is a divide in political affiliation between people who got the vaccine and didn't, but correlation does not mean causation. I think you are just searching for a rational reason to justify this without following that thought all the way through. 

It's blatantly political because each time the quoted "reason" for not getting the shot falls flat on its face, or becomes invalidated, the whole crowd migrates to a new reason.

Now we're stuck on "EUA vs comirnaty" despite them being completely identical from a chemical, safety, and effectiveness perspective. The fact that people are hanging their hat on branding semantics and the specific wordings of military orders tells me their vaccine refusal is grounded completely in ideology.

I would bet everything I own that the moment appropriately branded "comirnaty" shots become widely available, people will have magically found a new reason not to get it. 
 

And anecdotally, everyone I know refusing the shot were the annoying social media right wing political crusader "gubment can't tell me what to do" blowhard types before all of this started. But maybe you're right and they all suddenly found Jesus and/or became a FDA branding experts in the last few months purely by coincidence. 

[CaptainMorgan]

It's blatantly political because each time the quoted "reason" for not getting the shot falls flat on its face, or becomes invalidated, the whole crowd migrates to a new reason.
Now we're stuck on "EUA vs comirnaty" despite them being completely identical from a chemical, safety, and effectiveness perspective. The fact that people are hanging their hat on branding semantics and the specific wordings of military orders tells me their vaccine refusal is grounded completely in ideology.
I would bet everything I own that the moment appropriately branded "comirnaty" shots become widely available, people will have magically found a new reason not to get it. 
 
And anecdotally, everyone I know refusing the shot were the annoying social media right wing political crusader "gubment can't tell me what to do" blowhard types before all of this started. But maybe you're right and they all suddenly found Jesus and/or became a FDA branding experts in the last few months purely by coincidence. 

All the while continuing to take medications that benefited from fetal cell research.


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[glockenspiel]

21 minutes ago, Pooter said:

It's blatantly political because each time the quoted "reason" for not getting the shot falls flat on its face, or becomes invalidated, the whole crowd migrates to a new reason.

Now we're stuck on "EUA vs comirnaty" despite them being completely identical from a chemical, safety, and effectiveness perspective. The fact that people are hanging their hat on branding semantics and the specific wordings of military orders tells me their vaccine refusal is grounded completely in ideology.

I would bet everything I own that the moment appropriately branded "comirnaty" shots become widely available, people will have magically found a new reason not to get it. 
 

And anecdotally, everyone I know refusing the shot were the annoying social media right wing political crusader "gubment can't tell me what to do" blowhard types before all of this started. But maybe you're right and they all suddenly found Jesus and/or became a FDA branding experts in the last few months purely by coincidence. 

when some people dissent from social norm the rest of the flock will say “Politics” regardless of the reason for dissent. 
 

what can ya do? Here’s to another 50 pages lol

[pawnman]

6 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said:

All the while continuing to take medications that benefited from fetal cell research.


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And putting up zero fuss about getting an annual flu shot.

I mean, if the flu vaccine was really effective, we'd only need one as a kid, right?

 

[Sua Sponte]

59 minutes ago, uhhello said:

General Discharge Under Honorable Conditions

A general discharge under honorable conditions means that your service was satisfactory, but did not deserve the highest level of discharge for performance and conduct. Many veterans with this type of discharge may have engaged in minor misconduct. While a discharge under honorable conditions may not be what a veteran wants on his or her resume, it qualifies for VA health care, TRICARE's Continued Health Care Benefit Program (military health insurance), VA disability compensation, VA pension, VA home loans, and all other veterans benefits except for educational benefits under the Montgomery or Post-9/11 GI Bill. (For the Montgomery GI Bill program or Post-9/11 GI Bill program, you need an honorable discharge.)

Hey homie, I received a General Discharge and kept my G.I. Bill. The VA does their own credible service determination when you have multiple enlistments. I’m glad you know how to Google. 
 

[TheNewGazmo]

Looks like the Air Force is full steam ahead on separating people.
Press to test if you want...but don't be surprised when you get administratively separated without your GI Bill.

Of course they are. The war is over...

[uhhello]

29 minutes ago, Sua Sponte said:

Hey homie, I received a General Discharge and kept my G.I. Bill. The VA does their own credible service determination when you have multiple enlistments. I’m glad you know how to Google. 
 

Good to hear.  Happy for you.  

[FLEA]

1 hour ago, Pooter said:

It's blatantly political because each time the quoted "reason" for not getting the shot falls flat on its face, or becomes invalidated, the whole crowd migrates to a new reason.

Now we're stuck on "EUA vs comirnaty" despite them being completely identical from a chemical, safety, and effectiveness perspective. The fact that people are hanging their hat on branding semantics and the specific wordings of military orders tells me their vaccine refusal is grounded completely in ideology.

I would bet everything I own that the moment appropriately branded "comirnaty" shots become widely available, people will have magically found a new reason not to get it. 
 

And anecdotally, everyone I know refusing the shot were the annoying social media right wing political crusader "gubment can't tell me what to do" blowhard types before all of this started. But maybe you're right and they all suddenly found Jesus and/or became a FDA branding experts in the last few months purely by coincidence. 

This doesn't make it political though. You've listed symptoms not causes and you seem to be jumping to a  conclusion based on an internal bias. You're not even understanding the facts you stated correctly. The Cominarty argument is not new. I posted about it back in September. There is an existing class action law suit against Austin on it. The fact that you just woke up to the realization that this has been ongoing does not mean people migrated, it means YOU weren't paying attention. 

As said before, the fact that the majority of people against the jab are conservative is a correlation but its not causation. Most republican voters are generally more cautious of authority. Additionally, conservative Protestants are usually Republican voters. So that comes as no surprise either. This goes deeper than politics but if you are going to hang up on that than just admit you don't care and move on with your life. 

[Waingro]

On 12/7/2021 at 2:10 PM, FLEA said:

Rights, it's like how I'll fight back a tower controller that says ANYTHING but "cleared to land" or "cleared to lineup and wait", etc.... I don't care if their intent is essentially the same. It has to be perfect. 

I'd love to hear you go toe-to-toe with O'Hare or Newark tower, if they told you just "runway 22R, line up and wait." 

If you're going to use ATC phraseology as an example (and it has to be perfect, in your words), make sure you are up to speed on your .65 items. (Hint: cleared to line up and wait isn't in the .65).

[FLEA]

42 minutes ago, Waingro said:

I'd love to hear you go toe-to-toe with O'Hare or Newark tower, if they told you just "runway 22R, line up and wait." 

If you're going to use ATC phraseology as an example (and it has to be perfect, in your words), make sure you are up to speed on your .65 items. (Hint: cleared to line up and wait isn't in the .65).

FFS.... I guess we know the point was cleared low approach over your head mate. 

[Waingro]

6 minutes ago, FLEA said:

FFS.... I guess we know the point was cleared low approach over your head mate. 

Was it though? Your whole point was that words mean things, and you'd fight and refuse to accept them if they weren't exact - and then the example you gave wasn't exact. And now "it was just a joke brah!" Classic. 😂

[FLEA]

38 minutes ago, Waingro said:

Was it though? Your whole point was that words mean things, and you'd fight and refuse to accept them if they weren't exact - and then the example you gave wasn't exact. And now "it was just a joke brah!" Classic. 😂

Was refferring more to the point that you go a lot of places and still hear weird shit like "position and hold" or "XX tower confirmed cleared to land" replied with "confirmed." There are certain words we are keyed in onto and as much as you guys are argueing this I know you're all full of shit because Ive been flying a good chunk of time as well and I've never seen a pilot (not just myself, but anyone ive flown with) accept a clearance he wasn't absolutely certain on. So joke all you want but my point still stands. 

 

[MCO]

32 minutes ago, FLEA said:

Was refferring more to the point that you go a lot of places and still hear weird shit like "position and hold" or "XX tower confirmed cleared to land" replied with "confirmed." There are certain words we are keyed in onto and as much as you guys are argueing this I know you're all full of shit because Ive been flying a good chunk of time as well and I've never seen a pilot (not just myself, but anyone ive flown with) accept a clearance he wasn't absolutely certain on. So joke all you want but my point still stands. 

 

Point that wording needs to be exact when you decide it needs to be.

[FLEA]

55 minutes ago, MCO said:

Point that wording needs to be exact when you decide it needs to be.

Believe whatever you want man, but I know you would not land on a controlled field unless you heard "cleared to land." So you can mental gymnastics this however you like but you're just diminishing your credibility relevant to the discussion by doing so. Good day to you 🙂

 

 

 

[Pooter]

2 hours ago, FLEA said:

This doesn't make it political though. You've listed symptoms not causes and you seem to be jumping to a  conclusion based on an internal bias. You're not even understanding the facts you stated correctly. The Cominarty argument is not new. I posted about it back in September. There is an existing class action law suit against Austin on it. The fact that you just woke up to the realization that this has been ongoing does not mean people migrated, it means YOU weren't paying attention. 

As said before, the fact that the majority of people against the jab are conservative is a correlation but its not causation. Most republican voters are generally more cautious of authority. Additionally, conservative Protestants are usually Republican voters. So that comes as no surprise either. This goes deeper than politics but if you are going to hang up on that than just admit you don't care and move on with your life. 

Oh don't worry we are all well aware you guys have been banging the comirnaty drum since September.  It's actually become ridiculously tiresome. And no matter how many times the literal people who made the vaccine say it's chemically and effectively identical that's simply not good enough for you.  Oh and don't forget the best part.. that this is likely the first medicine in your life you've ever given a shit about the branding. Weird how that happens..
 

But yes, you're right. Nothing about your specific vaccine refusal overtly points to politics.  It's more of a deduction that I made for the following reasons:

a) none of your reasons for refusal make any sense

b) it's a white hot political food fight culture war issue right now

 

[Pooter]

4 hours ago, glockenspiel said:

when some people dissent from social norm the rest of the flock will say “Politics” regardless of the reason for dissent. 
 

what can ya do? Here’s to another 50 pages lol

Actually, we've heard the reasons and they're hot garbage. So all that's left is to assume you're buying into the current political food fight and hanging your hat on whatever the reason of the day is. 
 

But go ahead and keep thinking you're some kind of edgy free thinker. You and *statistically speaking* about 100 million of the least educated people in the country. 

[FLEA]

14 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Oh don't worry we are all well aware you guys have been banging the comirnaty drum since September.  It's actually become ridiculously tiresome. And no matter how many times the literal people who made the vaccine say it's chemically and effectively identical that's simply not good enough for you.  Oh and don't forget the best part.. that this is likely the first medicine in your life you've ever given a shit about the branding. Weird how that happens..
 

But yes, you're right. Nothing about your specific vaccine refusal overtly points to politics.  It's more of a deduction that I made for the following reasons:

a) none of your reasons for refusal make any sense

b) it's a white hot political food fight culture war issue right now

 

Well don't personalize your deductions here because as I've pointed out, I've taken the vaccine already, 3 times, and thanks to Europe's new laws, about to be on my fourth. 

I know it's difficult for you pro authoritarianism types to understand but there are people that legit believe in rule of law and individual liberty. 

So yes, as an officer, if someone is going to order my peers to be vaccinated against their will, I'm going to demand it be a legal/lawful order, and that it be an absolute last resort. 

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Well don't personalize your deductions here because as I've pointed out, I've taken the vaccine already, 3 times, and thanks to Europe's new laws, about to be on my fourth. 
I know it's difficult for you pro authoritarianism types to understand but there are people that legit believe in rule of law and individual liberty. 
So yes, as an officer, if someone is going to order my peers to be vaccinated against their will, I'm going to demand it be a legal/lawful order, and that it be an absolute last resort. 
 

We have lawyers for that, and guess what, they reviewed the SECDEF and SECAF memos before they were released as well as the DAF memo today saying they would go forward with discharging the non-compliant. If they were concerned with losing in court to the “Pfizer isn’t Comirnaty” argument, they would have already updated the policy.


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