Covid Injection Tyranny - Share and Discuss

[pawnman]

2 minutes ago, BR_MIST said:

I've got an odd shot question. I'm in UPT AD almost finished and I have a religious accommodation request in for the shot. If it gets denied and the AF moves to separate me over it, is it even possible to go to a guard unit in a state that has said they will NOT be separating people because of the shot? 

Maybe, but you won't be eligible for any federal money. State call ups only. No long term AD orders for seasoning. Not eligible for PME. Not eligible to deploy.

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, VMFA187 said:

Says a dude on who has never flown a military aircraft posting on a military aviation site. 😆

Yes, of course... to a Marine, an Air Force jet doesn't count as "military aircraft".

 

[bfargin]

This thread makes me think of this, or like Lord Ratner wrote above ... the same meme with "compliance".

[BR_MIST]

8 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Maybe, but you won't be eligible for any federal money. State call ups only. No long term AD orders for seasoning. Not eligible for PME. Not eligible to deploy.

I'm aware. Is the answer to the "maybe" a unit squadron commander kind of question?

[Waingro]

48 minutes ago, BR_MIST said:

I've got an odd shot question. I'm in UPT AD almost finished and I have a religious accommodation request in for the shot. If it gets denied and the AF moves to separate me over it, is it even possible to go to a guard unit in a state that has said they will NOT be separating people because of the shot? 

Out of genuine curiosity: what is the framework for the religious exemption request, that doesn't apply to any of the other required vaccines?

I legitimately want to learn more, I don't feel like I have a good understanding of how important this is to some people. 

[BR_MIST]

13 minutes ago, Waingro said:

Out of genuine curiosity: what is the framework for the religious exemption request, that doesn't apply to any of the other required vaccines?

I legitimately want to learn more, I don't feel like I have a good understanding of how important this is to some people. 

It does apply actually do bunch of shots I already got. I just didn't have the wherewithal to look into them at the time (BMT will do that to you). 

That said for my case at least, the problem I have some with some of the shots don't apply to all of them. For instance, some flu shots could be a problem but I've been able to find ones that aren't. The real kicker for me is that there's covid shots that are in development that would be ok for me and they could arrive sometime next year.

Unfortunately, the pentagon seems to want to score political points as fast as possible and here I am stuck in UPT on hold. 

[BR_MIST]

18 minutes ago, Waingro said:

Out of genuine curiosity: what is the framework for the religious exemption request, that doesn't apply to any of the other required vaccines?

I legitimately want to learn more, I don't feel like I have a good understanding of how important this is to some people. 

Thanks for being genuine man! Seriously.

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, BR_MIST said:

I've got an odd shot question. I'm in UPT AD almost finished and I have a religious accommodation request in for the shot. If it gets denied and the AF moves to separate me over it, is it even possible to go to a guard unit in a state that has said they will NOT be separating people because of the shot? 

You’re not going to get an RA approved. 

[BR_MIST]

5 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

You’re not going to get an RA approved. 

I'm aware of the odds. That's why I'm asking.

Edited December 15, 2021 by BR_MIST

[Waingro]

12 minutes ago, BR_MIST said:

It does apply actually do bunch of shots I already got. I just didn't have the wherewithal to look into them at the time (BMT will do that to you). 

That said for my case at least, the problem I have some with some of the shots don't apply to all of them. For instance, some flu shots could be a problem but I've been able to find ones that aren't. The real kicker for me is that there's covid shots that are in development that would be ok for me and they could arrive sometime next year.

Unfortunately, the pentagon seems to want to score political points as fast as possible and here I am stuck in UPT on hold. 

Thanks for the answer. Hopefully the environment changes, although I'm skeptical it will happen quickly, or you'll be able to find another way to continue serving. 

Are they letting you continue with the syllabus while the RA is pending?

[BR_MIST]

45 minutes ago, Waingro said:

Thanks for the answer. Hopefully the environment changes, although I'm skeptical it will happen quickly, or you'll be able to find another way to continue serving. 

Are they letting you continue with the syllabus while the RA is pending?

No Gen Wills circulated a memo that all RAs suspend training immediately. I was supposed to check and get wings that week...... I don't know if he was forwarding from Gen Webb or if that was his creation.

What I'm hoping for is that no one moves quickly and I can stick in out till mid terms hahah. We'll see if it's a vain hope. 

Edited December 16, 2021 by BR_MIST

[TheNewGazmo]

Out of genuine curiosity: what is the framework for the religious exemption request, that doesn't apply to any of the other required vaccines?
I legitimately want to learn more, I don't feel like I have a good understanding of how important this is to some people. 

The big thing would be the usage of fetal stem cells to develop the COVID-19 vaccines. Anything beyond that is stretching their religious freedom IMO, because yes, what about all of those other vaccines?

[bennynova]

10 hours ago, TheNewGazmo said:

14 hours ago, Waingro said:

Out of genuine curiosity: what is the framework for the religious exemption request, that doesn't apply to any of the other required vaccines?
I legitimately want to learn more, I don't feel like I have a good understanding of how important this is to some people. 

The big thing would be the usage of fetal stem cells to develop the COVID-19 vaccines. Anything beyond that is stretching their religious freedom IMO, because yes, what about all of those other vaccines?

Correct.  

 

Christianity does not support abortions, especially those for convenience.   Anything that pushes abortion to be more socially acceptable is not something I want to support.   All of the US vaccines were brought to market quickly by leveraging fetal cells lines in their development some way or another.    There are actually ethical ways to do this, but big pharma just wants to make money as quick as possible.   Most religious exemptions are doing so based on the above.

 

there aren’t many other vaccines that leveraged fetal cells.   There are a few, but information regarding that was never readily available to the normal person, and it wasn’t a reasonable expectation that any member thought those vaccines HAD aborted fetal cells in them/tested with them... so very few people actually asked.    Similar to if I ask every restaurant I go to if there are aborted fetal cells in the food....not a reasonable expectation for me to do so.

Edited December 16, 2021 by bennynova

[pawnman]

23 minutes ago, bennynova said:

Correct.  

 

Christianity does not support abortions, especially those for convenience.   Anything that pushes abortion to be more socially acceptable is not something I want to support.   All of the US vaccines were brought to market quickly by leveraging fetal cells lines in their development some way or another.    There are actually ethical ways to do this, but big pharma just wants to make money as quick as possible.   Most religious exemptions are doing so based on the above.

 

there aren’t many other vaccines that leveraged fetal cells.   There are a few, but information regarding that was never readily available to the normal person, and it wasn’t a reasonable expectation that any member thought those vaccines HAD aborted fetal cells in them/tested with them... so very few people actually asked.    Similar to if I ask every restaurant I go to if there are aborted fetal cells in the food....not a reasonable expectation for me to do so.

But do you now avoid all foods and beverages developed using those fetal cells?

[glockenspiel]

8 minutes ago, pawnman said:

But do you now avoid all foods and beverages developed using those fetal cells?

@pawnman

no one stirs like you👍🏼

[pawnman]

26 minutes ago, glockenspiel said:

@pawnman

no one stirs like you👍🏼

They just make it so easy. 

Constant moving the goal posts.

"It's not FDA approved"

"It's not a vaccine"

"The FDA approved it too quickly"

"Long-term effects"

"Fetal stem cells"

Can't wait to see what the next argument is. 

 

[CaptainMorgan]

Correct.  
 
Christianity does not support abortions, especially those for convenience.   Anything that pushes abortion to be more socially acceptable is not something I want to support.   All of the US vaccines were brought to market quickly by leveraging fetal cells lines in their development some way or another.    There are actually ethical ways to do this, but big pharma just wants to make money as quick as possible.   Most religious exemptions are doing so based on the above.
 
there aren’t many other vaccines that leveraged fetal cells.   There are a few, but information regarding that was never readily available to the normal person, and it wasn’t a reasonable expectation that any member thought those vaccines HAD aborted fetal cells in them/tested with them... so very few people actually asked.    Similar to if I ask every restaurant I go to if there are aborted fetal cells in the food....not a reasonable expectation for me to do so.

Whatever your religious objections are, you can’t honestly believe that fetal cell development is a reason that anyone chooses to have an abortion. Your religious beliefs also shouldn’t dictate ethics to a world where a majority of the population doesn’t share your religion.

Abortion exists, it will never go away. Banning fetal cell research will not stop abortions, but it will hinder potentially life-saving research.


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[BashiChuni]

This is a great listen! Highly recommend. 

[VMFA187]

32 minutes ago, BashiChuni said:

This is a great listen! Highly recommend. 

Finished it on the ride to work this morning. 

@pawnman, riding doesn't = flying. 

[bennynova]

2 hours ago, pawnman said:

But do you now avoid all foods and beverages developed using those fetal cells?

Yes.   I did my best to look them up.  Trident gum.  Lipton tea.  Gatorade.  Etc.  

 

the foods CONTAIN fetal cells   “Flavoring”

 

[bennynova]

1 hour ago, CaptainMorgan said:

Whatever your religious objections are, you can’t honestly believe that fetal cell development is a reason that anyone chooses to have an abortion. Your religious beliefs also shouldn’t dictate ethics to a world where a majority of the population doesn’t share your religion.

Abortion exists, it will never go away. Banning fetal cell research will not stop abortions, but it will hinder potentially life-saving research.


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I simply want to do all I can to not support the social acceptance of murder of souls who have no voice.   
 

I answer to my maker, we all will have to some day.   Not biden or any AF “leader” who can’t stand up for religious rights.   I think it’s obvious at this point that our leadership within the military has failed us on SO many levels.    Those O6 and aboves need to  be removed and hopefully there are better leaders ready to come up.   

[brickhistory]

My biggest and saddest realization during the Kung flu is just how many Americans happily/blindly/cooperatively (take your pick) gave up their individuality and ability to make personal health decisions.

I am shocked to see how many working level law enforcement went along with the madness "because they were ordered to."

The military is a little different case because they can order it and fighting a lawful order takes guts/financial resources/ability to care for family while fighting. Yet a not insequential number did so.

Next big revelation was how many other "demoncracies" went the full monty fascist when given a chance.

Some happy campers on this thread. 

Not hard to play "guess the fascist in waiting."

 

[bennynova]

4 minutes ago, brickhistory said:

My biggest and saddest realization during the Kung flu is just how many Americans happily/blindly/cooperatively (take your pick) gave up their individuality and ability to make personal health decisions.

I am shocked to see how many working level law enforcement went along with the madness "because they were ordered to."

The military is a little different case because they can order it and fighting a lawful order takes guts/financial resources/ability to care for family while fighting. Yet a not insequential number did so.

Next big revelation was how many other "demoncracies" went the full monty fascist when given a chance.

Some happy campers on this thread. 

Not hard to play "guess the fascist in waiting."

 

Great point.  There many on this thread that are overJOYED with the liberties we have lost and the control the government has taken from us “for the greater good”.    
 

hopefully one day, they will wake up.   Perhaps when they are running the gulags, or in them when they didn’t want booster #12

[hockeydork]

2 hours ago, bennynova said:

Correct.  

 

Christianity does not support abortions, especially those for convenience.   Anything that pushes abortion to be more socially acceptable is not something I want to support.   All of the US vaccines were brought to market quickly by leveraging fetal cells lines in their development some way or another.    There are actually ethical ways to do this, but big pharma just wants to make money as quick as possible.   Most religious exemptions are doing so based on the above.

 

there aren’t many other vaccines that leveraged fetal cells.   There are a few, but information regarding that was never readily available to the normal person, and it wasn’t a reasonable expectation that any member thought those vaccines HAD aborted fetal cells in them/tested with them... so very few people actually asked.    Similar to if I ask every restaurant I go to if there are aborted fetal cells in the food....not a reasonable expectation for me to do so.

Respect your beliefs, but genuine question on how your thought flows, if you don't want to answer please feel free not to. This is not intended to ignite some hostile debate. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the HEK293 cells from one fetus in like 1973 and they've just been multiplying them ever since? If so isn't this the lesser of two evils option? Yes that fetus did not get a chance at life, which is tragic, but it did result in being for the greater good and it is already done. i.e one tragedy to save who knows how many lives. How do you rectify that with being in the military. Military officers make the decision to take life all the time, in the name of the greater good. It's really the only reason you can justify plopping a JDAM on someones head/a nuke on two cities in Japan is because you think it will save lives/make the world a safer and more secure place. Genuinely curious how you rectify those discrepancies. Come judgement day, if there is one, how do you explain that to the lord. 

[bennynova]

6 minutes ago, hockeydork said:

Respect your beliefs, but genuine question on how your thought flows, if you don't want to answer please feel free not to. This is not intended to ignite some hostile debate. 

Correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the HEK293 cells from one fetus in like 1973 and they've just been multiplying them ever since? If so isn't this the lesser of two evils option? Yes that fetus did not get a chance at life, which is tragic, but it did result in being for the greater good and it is already done. i.e one tragedy to save who knows how many lives. How do you rectify that with being in the military. Military officers make the decision to take life all the time, in the name of the greater good. It's really the only reason you can justify plopping a JDAM on someones head/a nuke on two cities in Japan is because you think it will save lives/make the world a safer and more secure place. Genuinely curious how you rectify those discrepancies. Come judgement day, if there is one, how do you explain that to the lord. 

It’s a good question.    
 

my answer:   
Sure, fetal cells research can have benefits, that doesn’t mean I have to be OK with how it came about.   I’m doing my best to not use those products.  If more people did it, then it might even make a difference.   But it has already happened...so now we should just reap the benefits?   I just don’t want to advance the practice of abortion any further to be socially acceptable.   That’s about all I can do as an individual.   
 

im not sure we can equate this to a nuclear bomb.  I wasn’t yet alive and didn’t make that decision.   My thoughts on that... it’s a shame that bad guys hide behind and within good people.  How do we stop that?  I dont know.    Obviously every thing we can do to not have civilian casualties should be taken.    
 

 

my only point is that I shouldn’t be forced to take/support a product that is against my religious beliefs when the product has next no value to my demographic as a whole.   Let those who want the vaccine get it.   Fine.  Be happy and “safe” (short term safe...no one knows what long term effects there might be, hopefully none)

but there isn’t a risk that outweighs my true religious views.   This was all a money grab.   And will continue to be. I won’t support it until an ethical vaccine comes out.