Covid Injection Tyranny - Share and Discuss

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, Negatory said:

I get what you’re saying, and it’s all true. But the scientific reasoning i’m arguing that makes vaccine and mask mandates significantly less palatable to me, now, is that everything changed with delta. The virus won, unless we commit to another few years of this.

Even if the vaccine stopped 50-75% of transmission and masking stopped 30-50% more and society was 75-90% vaccinated, the virus would still spread. That’s because it has an estimated R0 of 5-9. You can’t get it below 1. You can see it now, in actual data. We are at phenomenally high levels of infection even with high masking and vaccination rates. I’m starting to believe reports that herd immunity is a myth with Delta - literally impossible:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/08/12/herd-immunity-is-mythical-with-the-covid-delta-variant-experts-say.html

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

Even with 99% of society vaccinated, we would see the virus spread and cause cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Will there be less than if only 60% is vaccinated? Sure. But at what cost? To make the remaining 20-30% of society get vaccines against their stubborn wills would require, likely, an overreach of government power. All to still have a virus that exists, mutates, spreads, and continues to cause sickness. 

Also, I want to understand your data on how many people can’t get vaccinated for medical reasons. I keep hearing it’s “plenty,” but I’ve never seen any numbers to back that up. Those numbers matter, because if it’s 500k people or 50M people changes the calculus.

Masking, social distancing, and getting vaccines may seem like a minor inconvenience, but there is a limit to cost benefit societally. Every day that cost increases. At some point, yes, it stops being worthwhile for 300M people to have to change their lives and social interactions to protect a very small subset of society. Unfortunately, I think we’re pretty damn close, honestly.

I did my part, societally, and got vaccinated and social distanced. I wear a mask. But I’m about over it. That’s where I’m at.

Really? It "costs" you more to put on a mask today than it did 6, 12, or 18 months ago? 

[VMFA187]

So after 15 satisfactory years of service, 12 on active duty as a Marine Hornet pilot with 3 deployments, one to combat and having received an honorable discharge after those 12 years, I am being told as a Reservist, to get the vaccine or receive a dishonorable or other-than-honorable discharge.

This despite me having to leave my flying billet as an IP 3.5 years ago after being diagnosed with epilepsy despite the fact that the covid vaccines are shown to cause an increase in seizure activity and intensity in a relatively high percentage of those who receive it. 

Oh, and I also received an email today that said my civilian employer will require it by early December as well or I will be unable to provide for my family. 

Pretty awesome. 

Edited September 29, 2021 by VMFA187

[ThreeHoler]

So after 15 satisfactory years of service, 12 on active duty as a Marine Hornet pilot with 3 deployments, one to combat and having received an honorable discharge after those 12 years, I am being told as a Reservist, to get the vaccine or receive a dishonorable or other-than-honorable discharge.
This despite me having to leave my flying billet as an IP 3.5 years ago after being diagnosed with epilepsy despite the fact that the covid vaccines are shown to cause an increase in seizure activity and intensity in a relatively high percentage of those who receive it. 
Oh, and I also received an email today that said my civilian employer will require it by early December as well or I will be unable to provide for my family. 
Pretty awesome. 

Sounds like a legit case for an exemption.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

So after 15 satisfactory years of service, 12 on active duty as a Marine Hornet pilot with 3 deployments, one to combat and having received an honorable discharge after those 12 years, I am being told as a Reservist, to get the vaccine or receive a dishonorable or other-than-honorable discharge.

This despite me having to leave my flying billet as an IP 3.5 years ago after being diagnosed with epilepsy despite the fact that the covid vaccines are shown to cause an increase in seizure activity and intensity in a relatively high percentage of those who receive it. 

Oh, and I also received an email today that said my civilian employer will require it by early December as well or I will be unable to provide for my family. 

Pretty awesome. 

So what's your plan?

 

19 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

Sounds like a legit case for an exemption.

 

>Thinking an exemption will do anything but get you kicked out without an honorable.

Pilots aren't getting exemptions and staying in. The fedgov decided it's not a national security issue to make all pilots take this "vaccine" that not only does not work, but is acutely harming people (we don't know the medium/long term effects).

Fedgov is going to make a lot of pissed off military veterans with guns 😬.

Edited September 30, 2021 by dogfish78

[ecugringo]

2 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

So after 15 satisfactory years of service, 12 on active duty as a Marine Hornet pilot with 3 deployments, one to combat and having received an honorable discharge after those 12 years, I am being told as a Reservist, to get the vaccine or receive a dishonorable or other-than-honorable discharge.

This despite me having to leave my flying billet as an IP 3.5 years ago after being diagnosed with epilepsy despite the fact that the covid vaccines are shown to cause an increase in seizure activity and intensity in a relatively high percentage of those who receive it. 

Oh, and I also received an email today that said my civilian employer will require it by early December as well or I will be unable to provide for my family. 

Pretty awesome. 

Thats shitty.

I know there is a NHL Assnt Coach well now former that medically could not get the vax.  He was forced to quit.  Which is crazy, if everyone else has the shot, then he should be ok.  At least you think.

I work in Oil and Gas and Im being backed into a corner to take it.  Our company isn't forcing ppl to take it but you can't go to the office, and our customers (Chevron, Exxon etc...) are all requiring you to be vaxed to visit.  Its an honor system at this point but if you get caught lying then you're done.  Being in sales my job was to be in front of customers and travel when necessary......Also being in O&G there aren't a lot of younger healthy spring chickens so I can see why companies are doing this.

[VMFA187]

37 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

Sounds like a legit case for an exemption.

 

Was told today after my consultation with a neurologist, from her, that the California Medical Board sent correspondence to all California physicians that said medical exemptions will not be allowed in any circumstance except previous allergic reactions to what is in the vaccine.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, VMFA187 said:

Was told today after my consultation with a neurologist, from her, that the California Medical Board sent correspondence to all California physicians that said medical exemptions will not be allowed in any circumstance except previous allergic reactions to what is in the vaccine.

Lmao "trust the science". Medical physicians are a joke. There's some good ones, but the majority are followers who appeal to authority. Why would 70,000 nurses in New York say no?

[VMFA187]

29 minutes ago, dogfish78 said:

So what's your plan?

 

>Thinking an exemption will do anything but get you kicked out without an honorable.

Working on that.
 

If I was single I would walk away, but I have a wife and three year old daughter who I love more than anything to consider. Someone with IP experience in the 18, 15, and 35 can surely find employment somewhere I’d imagine.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Prozac said:

Really? Is there a good reason this fuck is still allowed to post here? Throwing slurs around so he can get threatened with expulsion & then claim martyr status maybe? 

>Ignores the argument of “masks” being non-sterile, manufactured in a nation that hates us and wants us dead, and are a device over one’s respiratory system, and how none of this is a conflict of interest in who’s making the devices.

>Cries over the word Chink, which refers to Chinese people in the People’s Republic of China, a nation which hates us and wants us all genocided.

>Pretends he’s a tough warrior in our military but cries over a keyboard over the word Chink.

>Is so fragile he wants mods to ban me.

[Lord Ratner]

11 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

So after 15 satisfactory years of service, 12 on active duty as a Marine Hornet pilot with 3 deployments, one to combat and having received an honorable discharge after those 12 years, I am being told as a Reservist, to get the vaccine or receive a dishonorable or other-than-honorable discharge.

This despite me having to leave my flying billet as an IP 3.5 years ago after being diagnosed with epilepsy despite the fact that the covid vaccines are shown to cause an increase in seizure activity and intensity in a relatively high percentage of those who receive it. 

Oh, and I also received an email today that said my civilian employer will require it by early December as well or I will be unable to provide for my family. 

Pretty awesome. 

Yeah, but if you don't get it more 80+ year-olds will die. Or maybe some kids? No no, some other unvaccinated people who have accepted the risk. Or the hospitals will overflow? I forget.

 

At the end of the day I'm beginning to think this fell along predictable political lines because it's actually a fairly representative disease of conservative vs progressive ideology. Conservatives (today, in the past it was the classical liberals) accept the fallibility and irrationality of individualistic humans and construct a system that works around those constraints (e.g. capitalism, freedom of speech). Liberals disregard the clearly observable limitations of human nature in pursuit of a "perfect" solution, and willfully ignore all evidence of their strategy's failure well past the point of hopelessness (e.g. socialism, climate change, war on poverty).

 

Same goes for the disease. Masks work (science), but mask mandates do not (human nature). Sure, a virus can't spread through a population that doesn't interact, but lockdowns are not in compliance with human nature either. And in further accordance with progressive ideology, when your plan based on centralized control fails, demonize people and pour obscene amounts of money on the problem. 

Edited September 30, 2021 by Lord Ratner

[DosXX]

8 hours ago, dogfish78 said:

Why would 70,000 nurses in New York say no?

If you went to a large public high school you would know the answer to this

[DosXX]

16 hours ago, glockenspiel said:

That I am against mandating that anyone to reduce their risk. Although it would help you be healthier, Would you be in favor of the government forcing you to eat real food? Forcing you to take particular supplements? (insert “Floride” argument- I got a well so go f yourself), Forced exercise? All of which could arguably reduce your risk of death from covid greater than a vaccine could.  I wouldn’t want to live in that world.

False equivalence, none of the things you listed can affect the health of anyone but yourself.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, DosXX said:

If you went to a large public high school you would know the answer to this

What does a large public high school offer? Learning about the scientific method and logic/philosophy?

[Lord Ratner]

34 minutes ago, DosXX said:

False equivalence, none of the things you listed can affect the health of anyone but yourself.

That argument died when a highly effective vaccine was offered to the entire at-risk population free of charge.

[glockenspiel]

1 hour ago, DosXX said:

False equivalence, none of the things you listed can affect the health of anyone but yourself.

Fair point, fair point DosXX! Though a lot of arguments for the vaccine have not been strictly health related (think “ I am doing my part to make sure the hospitals aren’t overrun”, “I want life to be back to normal, so I got the jab”), we will stick to only health related arguments for now. if someone has natural immunity for CV19 how does that person affect the health of others? If you don’t take your medicine mine won’t work? I genuinely don’t understand not trying to do a “got ya”. 

[Shakermaker]

19 hours ago, BrightNeptune said:

Here, here.

I move that we dishonorably discharge every fatbody in the military with a BMI over 30. They have disobeyed a direct order to maintain in fighting shape. You want a force that won't get hurt by this cold bug? Get rid of the fatties that are LARPing in the military.

BMI?  Really? 

[VMFA187]

3 hours ago, DosXX said:

False equivalence, none of the things you listed can affect the health of anyone but yourself.

If fat f***s overwhelm the hospital/healthcare system because their immune system can’t fight a minor virus it does.

[Guardian]

BMI?  Really? 

Because you are in support or against it?

Reasons?

[pawnman]

20 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

If fat f***s overwhelm the hospital/healthcare system because their immune system can’t fight a minor virus it does.

BMI is certainly a factor. But right now, by a huge margin, the number one factor that determines whether you end up hospitalized with Covid or riding it out in your own bed is vaccination status. 

And it's a lot easier to get a vaccine than to lose a bunch of weight. 

And losing weight doesn't reduce the spread. Vaccines do. So do masks. 

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, glockenspiel said:

Fair point, fair point DosXX! Though a lot of arguments for the vaccine have not been strictly health related (think “ I am doing my part to make sure the hospitals aren’t overrun”, “I want life to be back to normal, so I got the jab”), we will stick to only health related arguments for now. if someone has natural immunity for CV19 how does that person affect the health of others? If you don’t take your medicine mine won’t work? I genuinely don’t understand not trying to do a “got ya”. 

One more time with the Kentucky study that shows you're more than twice as likely to get reinfected without the vaccine as you are with it...your "natural immunity" is not as good as the vaccine.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

[Guardian]

It appears my comment has been removed but we let the racial slurs stand on this forum? WTFO? I’m somehow fragile? Hardly. There are ways to get one’s point across without slandering an entire race. Dogfish, I say this from the bottom of my heart: GFY. 

I don’t enjoy the word he used but I’m pretty sure it’s already been pointed out that China is a country not a race.

[Guardian]

One more time with the Kentucky study that shows you're more than twice as likely to get reinfected without the vaccine as you are with it...your "natural immunity" is not as good as the vaccine.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

Have you read Israel’s results? WSJ has.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-coronavirus-breakthrough-vaccine-natural-immunity-cdc-fauci-biden-failure-11631548306

The best data on vaccines vs natural immunities is coming from Israel. Their stats are being fully reported and studied.

I’ve read in multiple places where it says natural immunities are 13 to 27 times less likely to get covid again than those with the vaccine.

[glockenspiel]

9 minutes ago, pawnman said:

One more time with the Kentucky study that shows you're more than twice as likely to get reinfected without the vaccine as you are with it...your "natural immunity" is not as good as the vaccine.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm

Why did they not include any patient outcomes? We want to avoid hospitalization and death- that is the important thing, not total “cases”. I thought the purpose of the vaccine now was to reduce symptoms? 
 

PCR is not to be used as a stand alone diagnostic tool, yet it was: 
“* Case-patients were eligible for inclusion if initial infection occurred during March–December 2020, and a subsequent positive nucleic acid amplification or antigen test result was received during May–June 2021 (using date of specimen collection). Cases for analyses were restricted to persons aged ≥18 years at time of reinfection.” 
Placed have been forcing testing upon unvaccinated people much more than those vaccinated, so the total pool of positive PCR tests is likely much larger for the Unvaccinated group than the Vaccinated group. Maybe almost “2.58” times more, I don’t know, they forgot to put that in the study. 

Why is the CDC revoking approval of PCR in December? Notice that it did not mention the cycle threshold of the PCRs used in the study.

also isn’t the vaccine aiming to achieve what survived natural infection would do, but with less risk? 

[DosXX]

2 hours ago, glockenspiel said:

if someone has natural immunity for CV19 how does that person affect the health of others?

They can still get COVID again given sufficient time, but even if that wasn't true there is no way of knowing who has natural immunity and who doesn't in a practical enough matter to prevent the deaths public health policies are trying to prevent. In other words, even if you as an individual have natural immunity, that fact is irrelevant when considering public health policies (like mandatory vaccination). Hope that is clear enough.

Also, here's a study showing a third of COVID cases don't produce protective antibodies, so even if we had something like antibody cards you could still pose a health risk to others.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article

[DosXX]

4 hours ago, dogfish78 said:

What does a large public high school offer? Learning about the scientific method and logic/philosophy?

No lol quite the opposite. All the dumb hot chicks who believe in astrology are nurses now.