Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[Clark Griswold]

1 hour ago, Lawman said:

Not just no but hell no…

Let’s go fly around an active conflict as a nonparticipating/quasi referee… one where coordination with either sides air defense is questionable at best, no form of distributed ACO/IFF exists… Basically hope that any Ukrainian with a Stinger or SA-11 can tell the difference between our aircraft and the bad guys.

We’ve shot our own airplanes down when we did have TAGS/AGS working…. F all that

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I get it, it's a high risk COA but here's the coordination with Russia:  Fuck off, don't fly inside of these coordinates or you will be fired on.  What Would Putin Do?  WWPD - he would be aggressive and bold because he knows his opponents in Western capitols have been timid, we know that equation has of late been leading to him pushing us around.  F that anymore.  Like all bullies, once he gets a bloody nose I think his bluster will fade and his power wane. 

Call me irresponsible but they need to learn a lesson, losing an air battle, being bested by the West, intimidated and cowed is the best thing for peace and stability right now,  they (the Russians) need to lose and be pushed back.  We're hand wringing and worrying about things going wrong, well they've gone almost as wrong as they can, it's time to do something different.

We develop ROE and use all our technological means to avoid blue on blue, it's risky but the risk of him winning is unacceptable.  Easy for me to say at 0' and 0 KIAS but it's true.

1 hour ago, Day Man said:

I've been watching adsbexchange for the past few days and there's been multiple tankers around here 24/7 it seems (much credit to the mobility crews). current screengrab shows 3x -135s and 1x -10 (with a NATO AWACS in the bottom right):

Good work boys - NKAWTG.

[goingkinetic]

The way you deal with bullies is stand up to them. Challenge him to nuclear checkers. I bet he blinks.

[goingkinetic]

Btw nuclear weapons only work ifmyou

[goingkinetic]

use them

 

[BashiChuni]

20 minutes ago, Clark Griswold said:

I get it, it's a high risk COA but here's the coordination with Russia:  Fuck off, don't fly inside of these coordinates or you will be fired on.  What Would Putin Do?  WWPD - he would be aggressive and bold because he knows his opponents in Western capitols have been timid, we know that equation has of late been leading to him pushing us around.  F that anymore.  Like all bullies, once he gets a bloody nose I think his bluster will fade and his power wane. 

Call me irresponsible but they need to learn a lesson, losing an air battle, being bested by the West, intimidated and cowed is the best thing for peace and stability right now,  they (the Russians) need to lose and be pushed back.  We're hand wringing and worrying about things going wrong, well they've gone almost as wrong as they can, it's time to do something different.

We develop ROE and use all our technological means to avoid blue on blue, it's risky but the risk of him winning is unacceptable.  Easy for me to say at 0' and 0 KIAS but it's true.

Good work boys - NKAWTG.

No. 

[goingkinetic]

Btw I’ll fly fight and win. Put me in coach. OSI track me down I want to kill americas enemies

[Lawman]

Btw I’ll fly fight and win. Put me in coach. OSI track me down I want to kill americas enemies

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[goingkinetic]

I’m on you side lawman. Aka tanker pilot.

[goingkinetic]

Prove to me I’m wrong…

 

[BFM this]

3 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Putin is throwing his d*ck around in Europe and we are caught with our pants down. 

[fire4effect]

Fundamental lessons.

Russian invasion runs into stiff resistance, supply lines are a 'definite vulnerability,' US officials say - CNNPolitics

[ViperMan]

1 hour ago, BFM this said:

Could have been better ♟️

For all the Snowden defenders:

https://nypost.com/2020/11/02/edward-snowden-shows-his-true-colors-by-applying-for-russian-citizenship/

https://www.china.org.cn/world/2022-02/16/content_78051824.htm

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/11/nothing-more-grotesque-media-pushing-war-says-edward-snowden

Quick recap:

2013: Snowden steals secrets from the NSA. Goes to hide in Russia for "sanctuary" until he can get a fair trial or some such.

2014: Russia invades eastern Ukraine.

2021/2: Snowden downplays potential for war in Ukraine.

2022: Russia full-scale attacks Ukraine.

👍

[Bigred]

5 hours ago, Day Man said:

I've been watching adsbexchange for the past few days and there's been multiple tankers around here 24/7 it seems (much credit to the mobility crews and mx). current screengrab shows 3x -135s and 1x -10 (with a NATO AWACS in the bottom right):

Yes, the tankers are quite busy.

[TheNewGazmo]

Yes, the tankers are quite busy.

Nothing new.

[Clark Griswold]

10 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

No. 

That is the prevailing opinion.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/25/nato-ukraine-russia-zelenskyy-00012068

And a proposal on using almost exclusively 5th Gens to enforce a no fly zone

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/02/f-22-stealth-fighters-how-nato-could-enforce-a-no-fly-zone-over-ukraine/

 

I want the Ukrainians to win, I want the Russians to lose, when you look at the comparison in militaries, economies and capabilities the overmatch the aggressor has is leading to an inevitable conclusion unless something changes in the operational environment.

All 5th Gen then, no warnings on being fired on, stay EMCON nothin and receive target data over the net, the first flight of Flankers that are fired on with no warning or targeted indications will give them incentive to not fly there.

[chase]

The Germans finally woke up:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/27/scholz-germany-pledges-defense-spending-increase-in-shift-in-strategy.html

"Germany is committing 100 billion euros ($112.7 billion) to a fund for its armed services and will ramp up its defense spending above 2% of its gross domestic product, Chancellor Olaf Scholz said during a special session of the Bundestag on Sunday.

It has become clear that “we need to invest significantly more in the security of our country, in order to protect our freedom and our democracy,” Scholz said."

"Germany could purchase U.S. F-35 fighter jets built by Lockheed Martin (LMT.N) to replace its ageing Tornado in the role of nuclear sharing, Scholz said."

[TheNewGazmo]

The latest...."Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered his country’s deterrence forces – which includes nuclear arms – be placed on high alert.".  

 

[Sua Sponte]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGazmo said:

The latest...."Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered his country’s deterrence forces – which includes nuclear arms – be placed on high alert.".  

 

 

[DirkDiggler]

https://apple.news/A5knIQwopRcmQV0voOvyGJw
 

For anyone looking to sign up.

Edited February 27, 2022 by DirkDiggler
Grammar

[ClearedHot]

11 minutes ago, DirkDiggler said:

https://apple.news/A5knIQwopRcmQV0voOvyGJw
 

For anyone looking to sign up.

Yesterday the Brits came out and said they won't stop any of it's citizens from going to fight in Ukraine.  Int he past they arrested and prosecuted those going to Afghanistan.

 

49 minutes ago, TheNewGazmo said:

The latest...."Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered his country’s deterrence forces – which includes nuclear arms – be placed on high alert.". 

Reason #69 why you don't try to Hellfire Putin.  The odds of this spilling outside of Ukraine is sadly increasing.  Good to see Germany step up with both equipment and Swift banking sanctions but we still have not targeted their oil...yes there would be many second and third order effects if we did.

 

[DirkDiggler]

8 hours ago, ViperMan said:

Could have been better ♟️

For all the Snowden defenders:

https://nypost.com/2020/11/02/edward-snowden-shows-his-true-colors-by-applying-for-russian-citizenship/

https://www.china.org.cn/world/2022-02/16/content_78051824.htm

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/02/11/nothing-more-grotesque-media-pushing-war-says-edward-snowden

Quick recap:

2013: Snowden steals secrets from the NSA. Goes to hide in Russia for "sanctuary" until he can get a fair trial or some such.

2014: Russia invades eastern Ukraine.

2021/2: Snowden downplays potential for war in Ukraine.

2022: Russia full-scale attacks Ukraine.

👍

Edward Snowden is the actual definition of a treasonous sack of shit.

[ClearedHot]

For those who want a bit more depth here is a crowd sourced real time order of battle map.  Incidents are crosslinked with video and social media reports:

https://liveuamap.com/

 

Another interesting but far less organized source is Snap Map I don't use Snap Chat but this site allows you to click on a particular area and individual snaps the residents are postings.  Snapchat is obviously more focused on the younger crowd. I poked around yesterday and there were numerous posts from teenagers who fully grasp what is happening.

[Buddy Spike]

17 hours ago, Danger41 said:

Posted on Instagram, former Thunderbird Pilot/Eagle guy Dozen Aldridge says that he has reliable first hand sources that say the “Ghost of Kyiv” was Colonel Olaksanser “Grey Wolf” Oksanchenko. Retired former Ukrainian SU-27 demo pilot that came out of retirement for the war. Unknown veracity of any of that and I haven’t personally reviewed the HUD tapes or 781’s so scoff away.

It's amazing the amount of gullible fighter pilots that should know better that are quick to push the "I believe button" over rumors heard from a friend of a friend.

 

[Sua Sponte]

https://theconversation.com/just-short-of-nuclear-the-latest-financial-sanctions-will-cripple-russias-economy-178000

[brickhistory]

For those eager for No Fly Zones or pushing Putin into a nuclear corner, just stop.

If any nation outside of Ukraine pulls a trigger on anything, that is an act of war.  If that's your intent, ok, are you ready for the full monty?  Air assets are supremely vulnerable.  Pretty easy to make them go boom on the ground.  And how long does it take to bring in the combined arms to make a real war happen?

Putin, for whatever his reasons, has pushed all in on this.  To think he won't pull the nuclear trigger if he loses or is cornered by outside nations is willful ignorance.  He's not likely to nuke London or Paris or Berlin, but any target in Ukraine or another none-NATO country is vulnerable.  Do you really think the West will respond with a nuke when it's not on them?  I don't.

Powerful megalomaniacs have a history of going scorched earth when they are cornered whether in a bunker in Berlin, a field in Belgium, or a steppe in Ukraine.

Toss the Ukrainians all the weapons and logistics they can use and more.  Sanction the sh1t out of Putin and comrades, make it hurt financially to them personally and this can stop.  Bleed him out and stack his casualties to the moon.  He will be bumped off by his own side.  If we turn him into a hero/martyr, we get a lot of that for us.  

Go full John Wayne and it won't end without a full, abrupt halt.  With other non-friendly nations watching and planning accordingly.