March 22, 20223 yr On 3/20/2022 at 11:45 AM, HeloDude said: This doesn’t really sound like much of a “democracy” to me. https://www.nationalreview.com/news/zelensky-suspends-opposition-parties-in-ukraine-with-russia-ties/ Our own history during the Civil War when Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus between DC and Philly and he shut down over 300 newspapers.
March 22, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, Prosuper said: Our own history during the Civil War when Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus between DC and Philly and he shut down over 300 newspapers. Oh don’t get me started on Lincoln… I grew up in midwest and was basically taught that he was a saint. He was very tyrannical. I remember 10 years ago when conservatives said Obama was the most tyrannical president we ever had and then bragged how great Lincoln was. Likewise progressives will tell you that Trump was literally Hitler and then brag about we need another FDR…who literally put American citizens in prison camps because of their ethnic background. This whole binary way of thinking is how we keep getting crap—crap politicians, crap policies, you name it. Don’t excuse bad behavior or bad policy just because X person/party is not as bad as Y person/party.
March 22, 20223 yr I have GOT to get me a prescription for condescension. My over-the-counter stuff ain't hacking it here. Arguments are emotional, silly, false, etc, etc. Or so I'm told. Could be my opinion is just as valid as any other. Or I could just be lectured by my betters... ENDEX for me: I hope Ukraine continues to stack Russian corpses deep. I am sorry for the misery they are enduring as a result. I hope the rest of the world continues tossing weapons over the border to 'em. I hope we don't get involved in a shooting war. Especially one that escalates. Without a valid reason that is worth the lives of our side - military or civilian.
March 22, 20223 yr 26 minutes ago, brickhistory said: I have GOT to get me a prescription for condescension. My over-the-counter stuff ain't hacking it here. Arguments are emotional, silly, false, etc, etc. Or so I'm told. Could be my opinion is just as valid as any other. Or I could just be lectured by my betters... ENDEX for me: I hope Ukraine continues to stack Russian corpses deep. I am sorry for the misery they are enduring as a result. I hope the rest of the world continues tossing weapons over the border to 'em. I hope we don't get involved in a shooting war. Especially one that escalates. Without a valid reason that is worth the lives of our side - military or civilian. The problem is, and the driving force behind all these arguments, is none of us agree on what makes a reason valid.
March 22, 20223 yr 11 hours ago, kaputt said: How about some more videos of Ukrainians stacking Russians? As requested.
March 22, 20223 yr Really good thoughts in this article: Niall Ferguson: Putin and Biden Misunderstand History in Ukraine War - Bloomberg Don't 100% agree with everything but there are certainly considerations in here worth holding on to.
March 22, 20223 yr 16 hours ago, HeloDude said: Oh don’t get me started on Lincoln… <snip> This whole binary way of thinking is how we keep getting crap—crap politicians, crap policies, you name it. Don’t excuse bad behavior or bad policy just because X person/party is not as bad as Y person/party. Yes, but the media has to have drama to survive, it's how they continue to operate. Are you saying that some of the media (who can't hack it) should go out of business? Why, that would be a terrible thing indeed, reporters on the street, cats and dogs mating in back alleyways. Uh, maybe that was reporters and dogs....
March 22, 20223 yr 4 hours ago, DirkDiggler said: As requested. Crispy Critters. Took me a bit to see the actual track of the missile from the upper right Edited March 22, 20223 yr by fire4effect
March 23, 20223 yr Ok…I think we need to restructure our OPFOR plan. I can imagine a lot of situations where we’d be scraping together mixed units of national guard weekend warrior types trying to reconstitute stuff in a hurry….In none of those scenarios do I foresee us breaking into armories full of WWII stocks of small arms and equipment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
March 23, 20223 yr 39 minutes ago, Lawman said: Ok… I think we need to restructure our OPFOR plan. I can imagine a lot of situations where we’d be scraping together mixed units of national guard weekend warrior types trying to reconstitute stuff in a hurry…. In none of those scenarios do I foresee us breaking into armories full of WWII stocks of small arms and equipment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would trade the M9 for a 1911 all day every day.
March 23, 20223 yr 44 minutes ago, Lawman said: Ok… I think we need to restructure our OPFOR plan. I can imagine a lot of situations where we’d be scraping together mixed units of national guard weekend warrior types trying to reconstitute stuff in a hurry…. In none of those scenarios do I foresee us breaking into armories full of WWII stocks of small arms and equipment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Our old M-1 Garands and M-14's can still lay down some effective cover fire. But with those guys most likely have not spent a bunch of time on the range with those. At the way things are going the Russian Army doesn't seem to have much training and or trigger time; learning everything the hard way.
March 23, 20223 yr Speaking of old equipment: https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/u-s-sending-soviet-air-defense-systems-it-secretly-acquired-to-ukraine-11647878422 Makes sense. I wonder if we’ve tweaked them at all once we got all the testing/data we needed or if they’re still “factory” defaults.
March 23, 20223 yr Up to 40,000 Russian soldiers killed, wounded, captured or MIA in Ukraine, NATO estimates (msn.com) Damn. If this is even close to true there's no way Russia can sustain this for long. Eventually word gets back to the families what's happening.
March 23, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, McJay Pilot said: Speaking of old equipment: https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/u-s-sending-soviet-air-defense-systems-it-secretly-acquired-to-ukraine-11647878422 This so pisses me off. I don't want my opponents to know what or how much I have until it flies up his A$$. Same for the numbers of Javelins etc. Ivan can count them by numbers of vehicles destroyed. Press thinks they can print anything.
March 24, 20223 yr Sam Harris, who I often disagree with, had a good podcast about why this all matters to the West. The economic repercussions that will follow a regression in the world order, one where every country has to dedicate huge amounts of money to defense instead of social programs, healthcare, research, education, production, etc, will be devastating. Considering the millennial and gen z generations will already have to pay the bill for the ridiculous Keynesian spending of the Boomers and the financial-markets-fuckery of Gen X, it'll be a pretty hard hit to also have to fund the next world-wide rearmament.
March 24, 20223 yr NATO estimates Russian casualties at 40k with 7k-15k KIA. Crazy! Thats more losses than the US suffered at IWO Jima.
March 24, 20223 yr Ukraine Strikes Russia’s Alligator Class LST With Ballistic Missile The Ballistic missile/s used by the Ukrainian forces in this attack is possibly the OTR-21 Tochka A.K.A. SS-21 Scarab model A, B, or C -TBD. The Video (long video) shows one Russian Navy ship on fire with numerous secondary explosions, shore depot on fire, and two other Russian navy ships bugging out of the port and they both appear to be on fire. Ukraine strikes Russia's Alligator class LST with ballistic missile - Naval News
March 24, 20223 yr Well, that's two big expensive pieces of hardware now sitting in the bottom of the black sea, for Putin's little 72 hour field trip he had planned. When keepin' it real...goes wrong. *Gleefully whistles Randy Dandy Oh! under breath* 😆 Slava Ukraini.
March 24, 20223 yr US, allies consider providing anti-ship missiles to Ukraine This won't escalate things...
March 24, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: US, allies consider providing anti-ship missiles to Ukraine This won't escalate things... Nope, not at all.😲 As long as he has troops all over Ukraine I'm slightly less worried about WMD use. When/if he starts a large scale "pullout" sts there's no telling if he's really throwing in the towel or planning on smoking the place. Pay attention to the weather forecast for days the wind is blowing away from Russia. Edited March 24, 20223 yr by fire4effect
March 24, 20223 yr 23 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: US, allies consider providing anti-ship missiles to Ukraine This won't escalate things... Will it? Putin won't leave without leveling the place in a temper tantrum to save his ego anyways. The West will be the ones who end up footing the bill and donating money to help rebuild the place. Small price to pay for the Ukrainians shedding blood to fend off the Russians. As sad as it is, the US spent years and trillions on weapons preparing to fight the Russians, and now somebody else is doing it for us. Least we can do is let them try and send the Black Sea fleet to the sea floor. Tragic, but I have seen enough of cruise missiles smashing into random apartment complexes. I'm sure we have some dusty harpoons that we're gunna be scrapped anyways. Light em up.
March 24, 20223 yr He needs an off ramp, I don't think he will accept a complete defeat and his situation in Ukraine is looking more dire by the day. While the newly delivered S300s won't given the Ukrainians Air Superiority, it will make it more difficult to conduct combined arms operations. The Anti-ship missiles will complicate some of his resupply to southern forces. The artillery and rocket attacks have leveled some Ukrainian cities but he has used up a LOT of weapons. While the loss of five Russian general officers is not profound there are other reports indicating high losses at the O-6 level. In one notable case a Russian Colonel commanding an Armored brigade was knifed to death by his own troops after refusing to call off an attack. His unit lost had already lost 30% of its force and the younger soldiers confronted and ultimately attacked him. I want the Ukrainians to win, but I fear if this starts to go way south for Russia he will escalate to a tactical nuke or chemical weapons because he has no other choice to avoid complete defeat. Given that he has started to purge commanders and folks closer to his circle I would say the chances of someone internal to Russia taking him out have also increased.
March 24, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: He needs an off ramp, My understanding is we're calling and they aren't picking up the phone? Not sure how accurate that is. Unfortunately he doubled down, and this exactly what happens when you double down, you can double lose. 19 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: but I fear if this starts to go way south for Russia he will escalate to a tactical nuke or chemical weapons because he has no other choice to avoid complete defeat. Given that he has started to purge commanders and folks closer to his circle I would say the chances of someone internal to Russia taking him out have also increased. I guess that ship sailed for me. He is going to be completely defeated at least in terms of what he actually wanted to achieve, he is going to be humiliated, he is going to be shamed and shunned, and he is likely to get offed by his own. Minus a couple people on here who think that the West should keep trading with Russia because "its in the economic interests of the US", the vast majority want nothing to do with Russia unless the government is changed. Trust = blown. It's done, no going back. I have accepted that we should be looking into mitigating the use tac nukes or chemical weapons via force we can transfer to the Ukrainian's, and be prepared for their employment. If he is considering using them, nothing is going to change that now. Let's hope that units says "no thanks" when the order is given. 29 minutes ago, ClearedHot said: a Russian Colonel commanding an Armored brigade was knifed to death by his own troops after refusing to call off an attack. His unit lost had already lost 30% of its force and the younger soldiers confronted and ultimately attacked him. Good for them. That's what happens when you send young Russian kids to die for nothing. The Ukrainian's have Mel on their side, the Russians, do not.
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