Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[SurelySerious]

SurelySerious, you've been had

By who, exactly? Why don’t you “dumb that down” for us?

[filthy_liar]

No I'm not stuck in Afganistan.  Yes, I've been reading what Putin is putting out.  I think we are overreacting to Putin.

[filthy_liar]

You've been had by the mainstream media.  Russia?  A threat to America?  No.  You've been had.

[SurelySerious]

You've been had by the mainstream media.  Russia?  A threat to America?  No.  You've been had.

What MSM do you think I’m watching? Or is it that Boeing, raytheon, and LM are lining my pockets? Which conspiracy are you going with?

[filthy_liar]

I'm going with what argument that you have, forget MSM, that MSM makes a compelling argument that Russia is a threat?

 

[filthy_liar]

Drunk edit.  Forget MSN.  Or in this case, don't.  Include them.  Do they make a compelling argument that Russia is a threat against the US?  And if you do say that in fact they are, what measures are you taking?

 

[SurelySerious]

I'm going with what argument that you have, forget MSM, that MSM makes a compelling argument that Russia is a threat?
 

Coherency is slipping there. Probably time to put the bottle down for the night.

I just imagine you never read much about political science or geopolitics when you had the chance. And when the military sent you for pme, this was you:

[filthy_liar]

Put the bottle down for the night is not an argument.  You really think that posting ridiculous videos on the internet wins your argument?

[SurelySerious]

Put the bottle down for the night is not an argument.  You really think that posting ridiculous videos on the internet wins your argument?

There is no argument to be made to you, ridiculous video is the most applicable thing because anything that doesn’t agree with you is “a conspiracy.”

[filthy_liar]

My asking that if we should be involved in Russia is a conspiracy?

[filthy_liar]

I hate to do this, but are you a woman?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[pawnman]

10 hours ago, filthy_liar said:

She probably doesn't.  Give her a break.

Hilarious. Your QAnon bros give you that one? 

I'm starting to think you're a poser who never actually served. I sure hope no one this ignorant actually flew for the Air Force. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by pawnman

[Best-22]

Is there a way to attach a breathalyzer to a keyboard like how they do in a car if you get caught drunk driving?

[BashiChuni]

9 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

If only there was a man -in Russia- that thinks the greatest tragedy of the 20th century was the downfall of the USSR, and he was determined to return it to its former glory.

Bro he can think whatever he likes. There is zero capacity for Russia to project power a la USSR. He’s not a threat. 
 

putin is reacting defensively to NATO expansion since 1990. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by BashiChuni

[DirkDiggler]

Great video of a Russian forgetting the childhood lesson of stop, drop, and roll.

[Guest nsplayr]

3 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Bro he can think whatever he likes. There is zero capacity for Russia to project power a la USSR. He’s not a threat. 
 

putin is reacting defensively to NATO expansion since 1990. 

Russia actually had, IMHO, more impressive power projection in Syria that I thought they could pull off long-term. Totally unrelated to NATO expansion or whatever other excuse you want to make for Putin’s aggressive, expansionist wars.

If you think the Ukrainians are the bad guys and Putin is the innocent victim here who is only, “reacting defensively” in the war with Ukraine…phew boy that’s quite the POV to walk around with all day.

[FLEA]

2 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

Great video of a Russian forgetting the childhood lesson of stop, drop, and roll.

Found out while working with NATO AWACS in Europe that apparently only Americans are actually taught that. Like no kidding, at the egress training the fire department brings it up and there's even been studies on it showing that more Americans correctly react in incidents when on fire than Europeans or other countries. How wild is that?

[SurelySerious]

Bro he can think whatever he likes. There is zero capacity for Russia to project power a la USSR. He’s not a threat. 
 
putin is reacting defensively to NATO expansion since 1990. 

You seem to be missing the part where he’s following through, or is the MSM just lying about everything?

[Prozac]

5 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

Great video of a Russian forgetting the childhood lesson of stop, drop, and roll.

To be fair, he seemed to do a pretty good job of correctly assessing and clearing the potential blast radius of the nearby armored targets before dealing with the trivial fact of being on fire. 

[Biff_T]

7 hours ago, DirkDiggler said:

Great video of a Russian forgetting the childhood lesson of stop, drop, and roll.

[BashiChuni]

Yeah I missed the part where Putin is steamrolling into NATO countries can you show me?

we never signed up to defend Ukraine. They’re not nato. 

[BashiChuni]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Russia actually had, IMHO, more impressive power projection in Syria that I thought they could pull off long-term. Totally unrelated to NATO expansion or whatever other excuse you want to make for Putin’s aggressive, expansionist wars.

If you think the Ukrainians are the bad guys and Putin is the innocent victim here who is only, “reacting defensively” in the war with Ukraine…phew boy that’s quite the POV to walk around with all day.

Again you make strawmans to argue against. 
 

show me where I said Ukrainians are the bad guys. Show me where I said Putin is innocent. Come on dude have some nuance and stop making up arguments to dunk on. 
 

ukraine is not nato. We have zero obligation to defend it. Support them? Sure. For now. But it’s not unlimited. 

[Guest nsplayr]

The biggest straw man is your assertion that there is a “blank check” for Ukraine. There’s not! There’s calculated material and intelligence support to help them defend themselves, aligned with our national interests.

The reason folks including me are dunking is this seems like one of the biggest, clearest wins in terms of use of US dollars and effort to for what we’re getting in terms of a major opponent crippling themselves. 

[FLEA]

11 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

The biggest straw man is your assertion that there is a “blank check” for Ukraine. There’s not! There’s calculated material and intelligence support to help them defend themselves, aligned with our national interests.

The reason folks including me are dunking is this seems like one of the biggest, clearest wins in terms of use of US dollars and effort to for what we’re getting in terms of a major opponent crippling themselves. 

But there is a concern that there is an enormous social dialogue to continuously increase that. 

[Guest nsplayr]

30 minutes ago, FLEA said:

But there is a concern that there is an enormous social dialogue to continuously increase that. 

I guess I’m not tracking.

FWIW, when it stops being in our national interest we should stop sending weapons to Ukraine. Same as anywhere else.

But IMHO they’re clearly in the right here having been invaded by our long term adversary, so there’s miles of runway before I think our national interest would run out. They’re using those weapons to defend their country and smash a ton of Russian mil capability and that’s an unambiguous win.

Even better would be if the Russians got rid of Putin, ended the war, returned home and peacefully joined the rest of Europe, but until that happens I’m happy for them to suffer militarily for their ill-conceived adventure.