Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[Lawman]

Good stuff, not the right system then but the idea, a relatively cheap per shot system matched with a Hail Mary short range system (DE, guided AAA, suicide drone)

DE and Microwave are really the sustainment friendly solution to all things kinetic. The next step down is a cheap attack dog drone that goes out there to kill the incoming (ie Coyote). It only needs to have just enough performance to do that, which is why adapting SAMs to this is in a lot of ways a terrible exchange of overkill.

This is attritional exchange of bombardment methods. The problem is the disparity of cost when you compare a drone built by 3 guys with a high-school education using parts from Amazon. Meanwhile if you’re a western military you’re using IRIS-T or some other tech that needs 7 graduate degrees to design and 6 more guys to build it because it has to be able to kill everything in the way of target sets, and we can manufacture 19 a month or something.

The danger that comes with DE or Microwave though is those systems have some severe constraints as far as blue on blue effects. EW can be dangerous enough to your operations just through the bleed over effect, now you’re firing hard kill systems that may do things like cook the brains of those GMLRs in the AHA or fry the CPs radio stacks, maybe trash all the antenna cabling for a division STT…

Part of this problem isn’t simply munition, it’s going from kill chain to kill web with some form of AI to protect us from ourselves while we try to protect everybody.


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[uhhello]

'Found' $300M in contractor savings....

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/12/politics/us-announces-weapons-package-ukraine/index.html

[gearhog]

Looks like Putin just won a rigged election.

What a ridiculous charade. Everyone knows real democracies cancel their elections so their leadership can remain in power.

[BashiChuni]

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/world/ar-BB1jZy7Q

the start of a new western media propaganda message. it's moved on from ammo and money now...to something more dangerous for the west...men

"Few men of fighting age are left in this village in southwest Ukraine, and those who remain fear they will be drafted at any moment."

"Ukraine desperately needs more troops, with its forces depleted by deaths, injuries and exhaustion" (MORE MONEY DOESN'T FIX THIS)

"Despite Russia’s own enormous casualties, the invaders still far outnumber Ukraine’s defenders, an advantage that is helping Moscow advance on the battlefield." (NO SHIT)

“Almost all our men have been scraped out,” said Serhii, 47, an infantry soldier from Makiv who was drafted in March 2022 and serves in Ukraine’s 115th brigade."

"Scenarios like these have left Polina, 16, anxious about how much longer she has with her father — one of the few draft-eligible men left in the village."

 

this gig is up. ukraine never had a chance in a war of attrition. the west will soon be at a dangerous crossroads...

it'll be interesting to see if this talking point gets more play in the press. the only move forward for the neocons is to push fresh men into the fire...and they won't be ukranian.

 

[HeloDude]

11 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/world/ar-BB1jZy7Q

the start of a new western media propaganda message. it's moved on from ammo and money now...to something more dangerous for the west...men

"Few men of fighting age are left in this village in southwest Ukraine, and those who remain fear they will be drafted at any moment."

"Ukraine desperately needs more troops, with its forces depleted by deaths, injuries and exhaustion" (MORE MONEY DOESN'T FIX THIS)

What are you talking about?  As of less than a month ago, Ukraine has only had 31K troops killed…don’t you believe Zelenskyy?

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-troops-killed-zelenskyy-675f53437aaf56a4d990736e85af57c4

[Biff_T]

15 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

the only move forward for the neocons is to push fresh men into the fire...and they won't be ukranian.

I heard there are Iraqi WMDs somewhere in Ukraine.  

[fire4effect]

4 hours ago, Biff_T said:

I heard there are Iraqi WMDs somewhere in Ukraine.  

Waaait a minute. You can't fool me with that song and dance again.😁You have to get up by the crack of noon to get ahead of me.

[Day Man]

https://apnews.com/article/russia-moscow-gunmen-concert-hall-injuries-fe7db5bb4ad4df17b6cbd04a3250faa1

 

 

[uhhello]

Happened just like we warned them about....

[icohftb]

6 minutes ago, Day Man said:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-moscow-gunmen-concert-hall-injuries-fe7db5bb4ad4df17b6cbd04a3250faa1

 

 

They really need to crack down on gun control. Totally would have prevented that.

[gearhog]

1 hour ago, uhhello said:

Happened just like we warned them about....

We warned them?

[uhhello]

8 minutes ago, gearhog said:

We warned them?

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/international/2024/03/08/u-s--warning-attack-large-gatherings-moscow

https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

Edited March 22 by uhhello

[mp5g]

We’ve seen this before. Godspeed Protagonist. I hope your quest for the algorithm goes according to your future plan. 
 

[gearhog]

2 hours ago, uhhello said:

https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/international/2024/03/08/u-s--warning-attack-large-gatherings-moscow

https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

So exactly two weeks prior, the US warns US citizens about a terrorist attack, in Moscow, at a concert?

Our intelligence is really really good. Also, smart move by ISIS to try and weaken Russia by drawing them into a wider conflict at the exact moment they're already engaged in another war.

[uhhello]

2 minutes ago, gearhog said:

So exactly two weeks prior, the US warns US citizens about a terrorist attack, in Moscow, at a concert?

Our intelligence is really really good. Also, smart move by ISIS to try and weaken Russia by drawing them into a wider conflict at the exact moment they're already engaged in another war.

Or Russia was behind it to pin on Ukraine connection.  Many many options to pick from here.

[uhhello]

They gotta find the bodies to fill the creation of this

https://www.newsweek.com/shoigu-russia-putin-warning-west-1881669

[nsplayr]

5 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Or Russia was behind it to pin on Ukraine connection.  Many many options to pick from here.

Yea my first thought was false flag like before Chechnya to justify future crackdowns & atrocities in Ukraine.

https://www.rferl.org/amp/putin-russia-president-1999-chechnya-apartment-bombings/30097551.html

Edited March 22 by nsplayr

[gearhog]

5 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Yea my first thought was false flag like before Chechnya to justify future crackdowns & atrocities in Ukraine.

https://www.rferl.org/amp/putin-russia-president-1999-chechnya-apartment-bombings/30097551.html

So you believe a country would orchestrate terrorist attack to justify war? That's the stuff crazy conspiracy theories are made of.

[uhhello]

1 minute ago, gearhog said:

So you believe a country would orchestrate terrorist attack to justify war? That's the stuff crazy conspiracy theories are made of.

Not to justify war, just to war even harder 🙂

[gearhog]

2 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Not to justify war, just to war even harder 🙂

Very interesting. So you think it's possible Russia created a new threat to garner public support in expanding their war effort on a second front that is unrelated to the first? I'm not convinced. There is no precedent.

[uhhello]

2 minutes ago, gearhog said:

Very interesting. So you think it's possible Russia created a new threat to garner public support in expanding their war effort on a second front that is unrelated to the first? I'm not convinced. There is no precedent.

Is there evidence this was ISIS yet?  They claim every bad thing that happens in this world.  Russia knew something was going to happen as discussed earlier.  These guys even got away.  They are still 'looking' for them.  How does that happen?

[gearhog]

18 minutes ago, uhhello said:

Is there evidence this was ISIS yet?  They claim every bad thing that happens in this world.  Russia knew something was going to happen as discussed earlier.  These guys even got away.  They are still 'looking' for them.  How does that happen?

Good point. I've only seen pictures of stereotypical Islamic extremists and I think one in custody who is likely a crisis actor. Russia could have surreptitiously created an false flag terrorist group and outsmarted US intelligence agencies, making us believe ISIS was going to attack and publish a warning to US citizens stating exactly that. Now that US embassy warning is being used by Russia to play upon suspicions of the US government having a role, while artfully concealing that they attacked themselves.

That's what they did with the pipeline. They attacked themselves because it makes war better or something. This is a compelling theory and I'm warming up to it.

EDIT: New strategy:

We stop funding the Ukraine war and continue to allow Russia to attack itself until it is finally defeated. Everyone is happy.

Edited March 23 by gearhog

[busdriver]

Or it was just jihadis doing what they do.

Good grief.

[tac airlifter]

This looks like ISIS to me.  Hopefully it opens more authorities to kill them more aggressively.  Regardless of how anyone feels about RUS government, who are awful, terrorist attacks on populations are abhorrent, unacceptable, and civilized nations should cooperate to utterly destroy them.

[gearhog]

10 hours ago, uhhello said:

Is there evidence this was ISIS yet?  They claim every bad thing that happens in this world.  Russia knew something was going to happen as discussed earlier.  These guys even got away.  They are still 'looking' for them.  How does that happen?

Reports are now that 4 gunman who did the shooting are in custody and 11 others were caught in Chacun, 370km from Moscow and 150km from Ukraine. Most if not all are said to be from Tajikistan. Russian media is reporting the terrorists admitted the attack was planned for March 9 at the Shaman concert, during the song "I Am Russian".  This was to disrupt the Russian elections. However, the warning from the US caused security to be tightened to an extent that caused the terrorists to postpone the attack until the next major concert at the venue, which was this one. The terrorists said they were fleeing to the place where they either knew or expected to be allowed to exit Russia.