Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[Stoker]

15 hours ago, bfargin said:

Are you a fifth grader?

You know your argument is sound when your best expression of it is that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid.

Edited 15 hours ago by Stoker

[bfargin]

I’m just amazed at how leadership is so happy/eager to get back into a Cold War (or worse) type relationship with Russia. We’ll never trust each other totally, but there really is no need to be actual enemies. We’re like the dumb ass tourists you see at Yellowstone walking up to a Bison or a Grizzly just for shits and grins.

Negotiate peace and stability!

[BashiChuni]

4 hours ago, HeloDude said:

The Ukrainians aren’t wrong to fight…we’re just wrong to spend hundreds of billions of dollars (via debt) to help them fight.  If the Ukrainians want to keep fighting using their own resources, then should definitely go for it.

especially after pissing away lives and treasure the past two decades in forever middle east wars.

some of you are SO eager to get right back into it.

[Lord Ratner]

3 hours ago, bfargin said:

I’m just amazed at how leadership is so happy/eager to get back into a Cold War (or worse) type relationship with Russia. We’ll never trust each other totally, but there really is no need to be actual enemies. We’re like the dumb ass tourists you see at Yellowstone walking up to a Bison or a Grizzly just for shits and grins.

Negotiate peace and stability!

You make it sound like they've been holding out an olive branch for decades and we just keep spitting in their face. Russia and China have been poking and prodding at our weaknesses and vulnerabilities for at least two decades. 

 

Y'all have some serious self-loathing I just don't understand.

[bfargin]

Self loathing?? Where do you see self loathing in anything written by people here who’d like to see an end to the war??

Im advocating for an acknowledgement that both Russia’s leadership and our’s should take a minute and see if peace can’t be arranged.

[gearhog]

7 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

You make it sound like they've been holding out an olive branch for decades and we just keep spitting in their face. Russia and China have been poking and prodding at our weaknesses and vulnerabilities for at least two decades.

Y'all have some serious self-loathing I just don't understand.

The reason you cannot understand it is because you're mis-identifying a loathing of poor leadership, foreign policy, and intervention as a loathing of "self". I'm gonna go out a limb and say not one member of this forum "loathes" the United States of America. I'd say everyone here loves it, and wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

It's insulting for you to say that those of us who do not want to see a continuous escalation of this conflict and others, who don't want more of our taxes and national treasure pissed away, who critique and question the policies/actions taken by leadership on behalf of me and my country is "self-loathing". It's actually the opposite.

Surely, you were deployed, probably multiple times, in your career. I got to see all of IRQ, AFG, part of SYR, (countries we invaded) waste $trillions, countless lives lost, and then shamefully walk away leaving the countries in worse shape than we found them. I was all in, just like you at the beginning. But I try to do a little after action, reflecting upon and learning from our mistakes. I could argue that the actual self-loathing would be standing by as an ineffectual as the same leadership subjects yourself, your family, and your country to the same misadventures all over again.