Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[Lawman]

Aggressive Russian assassinations across Europe since 2000 which were definitely justified by NATO’s existence, and not because a former KGB member, Soviet state dreamer came into power: http:// https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2024-11-22/putin-s-assassination-targets-revealed-in-declassified-memo

He’s not even going to pretend to acknowledge all the “mystery fires” and sabotage or the no kidding Russians that have been arrested carrying out actions in Europe.


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[gearhog]

41 minutes ago, Lawman said:

“Mystery Fires!”

 

 

[Stoker]

8 hours ago, FourFans said:

Trying to imagine what Bashi's line would have been in 1939

Poland was part of the German Reich only twenty years ago! The Allies have really put us in a threatened position by surrounding us with an alliance, the Little Entente! Many of the people there really vibe with us ethnically and not the Poles! Poland is really just a corrupt autocratic state anyways. Besides, there's no way Britain/France can help Poland, so it's a waste trying.

[FourFans]

7 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Because I study history.  How about your line in 1948-9 as Korea was getting tee'd up.  Or perhaps the early 1960's with Vietnam?  Hell, what was your stance in the 1980's as were arming the Iraqi's AND Iranians?

Bottom line in ALL these cases: When America makes an international promise and then doesn't back it up with action, we lose big when we have to clean up the mess later.  We also lose allies. Key allies. It would be very nice if our leadership would THINK before making promises.

Our history has proven that it costs far more lives to back out of a promise now and have to fix it later than it does to stick to our word and put our munitions and young men where our politicians' mouths led us.  It's sucks, but it's true.

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[jice]

8 hours ago, bfargin said:

Another dumbass comparison to WWII. Seriously?

 

Even if your comparison was valid, none of our plans/thoughts could be worse than fdr’s. He completely had his head buried deep on pretty much any and all important policy positions (except got to extend and strengthen a depression). We didn’t do anything for years during WWII. If I remember correctly after Dec 7, 1941 we declared war on Japan but not Germany. Germany ended up declaring war on us!

Except for lend lease (‘41), tax incentives for companies producing war goods (‘39,) a peacetime draft (‘40), a government reorganization to facilitate a war footing (‘39), civilian pilot training program (‘39), embargoes against Japan (‘40), freezing Japanese assets (‘41), training Brit pilots in Texas (‘41)… the list goes on and on.

[Lawman]

Except for lend lease (‘41), tax incentives for companies producing war goods (‘39,) a peacetime draft (‘40), a government reorganization to facilitate a war footing (‘39), civilian pilot training program (‘39), embargoes against Japan (‘40), freezing Japanese assets (‘41), training Brit pilots in Texas (‘41)… the list goes on and on.

I was gonna say the better comparison would be the jackasses stateside telling us that war over there wasn’t our problem and what Germany was doing wasn’t really that bad.

Luckily some of our grandfathers didn’t gargle Reddit level stupid coming out of a coordinated IA campaign.


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[BashiChuni]

2 hours ago, FourFans said:

Because I study history.  How about your line in 1948-9 as Korea was getting tee'd up.  Or perhaps the early 1960's with Vietnam?  Hell, what was your stance in the 1980's as were arming the Iraqi's AND Iranians?

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is your argument all of those were successes? i wouldn't have gotten involved in any of those