Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[disgruntledemployee]

4 hours ago, gearhog said:

It's not discernable to you because the senseless killing of hundreds of thousands (millions?) is inconceivable to you as a valid reason to cease hostilities.

It's seems inconceivable to you that UKR wants to fight for its freedom/independence/etc.  Your past words make it sound like the US is forcing UKR to fight off the invaders.

Name once instance, from anywhere, of anyone here who has said Russia was an ally. You can't. All of your reasonable justifications to continue war have been defeated, so it seems the lot of you must resort to inventing false positions or statements to argue against.

Logic, not wishful thinking, will always dictate the ultimate outcome of an event. What are you going to do, make a post every time reality doesn't jive with your position? 

Logic does not always indicate the ultimate outcome of an event.  Logic might have been obvious with the UK in WWII that they should have negotiated with Germany, but the stubborn stiff upper lip determination got in the way.  I'm sure history has other examples.  Nuts!

Fortunately, most people are not like you. Most people believe protracting a foreign conflict where millions continue to die is not in our best interest nor Ukraine's best interest.  

I'll support the assumption that most people think war is bad.  You mention UKR's best interest.  Who gets to determine that, Russia, Putin's Ho, or them?

Thank goodness for real democracy. 

HA!  On 5 Mar 2025, Gearhog stated that the events thus far of the 2nd Trump administration is real democracy in action.

Events are clearly going to diverge at an increasing rate from your poorly considered desires. 

Events counter to a desire doesn't always make the desire wrong.  Like the desire for freedom.  If Russia controls UKR and they lose freedom, does that mean the desire for freedom is "poorly considered"?  Asking for a nation.

I suggest you surrender to the fact our support for this conflict is ending, or you're just going to be yet another in a long line who whine a lot, but never actually do anything to contribute to your cause.

You equate supporting UKRs independence to whining.  Well, your 'sucks to be them' attitude is getting old.

You win some, you lose some. Pickyourbattles.

He was a Level 99 Douche.  He your mentor?

Dude, you write some gaslighting stuff here. 

 

[tac airlifter]

On 3/3/2025 at 11:39 AM, LiquidSky said:

Considering the sheer number of agencies reporting it and that our allies are commenting on it, I'm inclined to believe it over a random rep.

I don't think this will change how you feel, but for the record you were completely wrong.

if I were you, I would be asking myself: what other strongly held opinions do I have based on things I assume to be true but are in fact, not true? How else am I the victim of a propaganda machine?

[LiquidSky]

4 hours ago, gearhog said:

Never saw it.

Russia should just quit? How does that even enter into your mind as a realistic solution let alone as being in the realm of remote possibility? What a mind-numbingly ignorant position. That's something you'd expect to hear from your average TikTok account, not an educated military officer.

How does Ukraine attain a position of strength? Their population is being drained of warfighters. The world can supply them unlimited weapons and money, but no one is willing to replace Ukraine's soldiers with their own... including you.

 

 

 

How convenient. And now that you have, still no reply. 

Because aggressors can always turn around and go home. Look at Afghanistan, we just quit. Look at Vietnam, same thing. Do I think Russia will? They did in their own Afghanistan. They can again.

Strength through allies backing them with arms and Intel. Soldiers they have plenty of international volunteers. My entire squadron would fly in tomorrow if asked. We were ready on night 1 and we're still ready. Unfortunately we have ADSCs and the Ukrainian foreign legion isn't seeking pilots. If you stood up the modern equivalent of the flying Tigers you'd run out of positions before bodies.

[gearhog]

13 minutes ago, LiquidSky said:

How convenient. And now that you have, still no reply. 

Because aggressors can always turn around and go home. Look at Afghanistan, we just quit. Look at Vietnam, same thing. Do I think Russia will? They did in their own Afghanistan. They can again.

Strength through allies backing them with arms and Intel. Soldiers they have plenty of international volunteers. My entire squadron would fly in tomorrow if asked. We were ready on night 1 and we're still ready. Unfortunately we have ADSCs and the Ukrainian foreign legion isn't seeking pilots. If you stood up the modern equivalent of the flying Tigers you'd run out of positions before bodies.

You quoted me and said "I literally answered this the other day", but the only question I had asked was if you were just going to complain every time reality doesn't align with what you wanted to happen. What is it that are you so intent that I reply to? Quote it or repeat it.

So you're listing our military failures as justifications as to why we should give military support to Ukraine? Well, I'll give you credit: that's a completely new and unexpected way to look at this. I don't think anyone has ever made that argument. It might be the least intellectual point attempted in this thread, but at least it's original. I got nothing for you.

If Ukraine has plenty of international volunteers, why do they have conscription? Why are we seeing countless vids of them abducting their own citizens from the streets? Again, this is just basic logic. Your points are really, really bad.

"I'd totally help if it weren't for my ADSC."

"I'd totally help if I were allowed to fly airplanes."

Funny how all of the ways you say you want to help conveniently have conditions, while all the ways you can actually help have none. Show me one receipt.

Let's reel it back in to reality: Your SQ isn't getting called. You're not going to help or make sacrifices. Russia isn't just going to pack it up and put it in reverse. There will be a negotiation. Both sides will make concessions. The killing will stop. Life will go on. We'll look back just as we do on AFG, IRQ, Vietnam and say, "Well...that was f'n stupid".

 

 

 

 

[BashiChuni]

5 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

How convenient. And now that you have, still no reply. 

Because aggressors can always turn around and go home. Look at Afghanistan, we just quit. Look at Vietnam, same thing. Do I think Russia will? They did in their own Afghanistan. They can again.

 

Russia will not turn around and go home because home is at their backs. regardless of how you feel, the Russians perceive nato seducing Ukraine as a dire threat to their country. They have complained about NATO expanding east since the breakup of the USSR; I have cited numerous historical articles, speeches, intelligence assessments, and videos in this thread proving so.

it's a different sort of calculus for them than what we were operating under in vietnam, iraq, or afghanistan.

i predict you will disagree with their rationale and reasoning, but know thy enemy and such.

Edited 11 hours ago by BashiChuni