Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[HeloDude]

20 hours ago, Stoker said:

Germany in 1917 looked invincible, Germany in 1918 was retreating about as fast as they could walk and the military dictatorship handed over control to the civilians and said 'make peace, we're doomed.' We see the lines on a map, you don't see the guys on the other side making sausages out of sawdust and scraping the hospitals for new recruits.

Ummm, ok.  Like I said, let’s see what Ukraine can do with everything we’ve done for them under Biden.  And if European countries want to help out, more power to them.  If Ukraine wants/thinks they can get Russia to fold and leave, all the power to them…let me know how it turns out.

[gearhog]

On 12/6/2024 at 8:26 PM, gearhog said:

Romania just cancelled its Presidential election. Calin Georgescu was up around 30% in the polls. Apparently, he favors de-escalation of the conflict with Russia and has a bit of an anti-globalism position.

Ukraine cancelled its election. South Korea had its attempted coup, French government is in crisis, UK and Germany aren't far behind.

I thought we were all about promoting, and in some cases imposing, "democracy". What are the odds the USA has anything to say as watch yet another one of our allies move toward tyranny as the obviously corrupt government attempts to cling to power in spite of the will of the people? Bad people are leading good nations. I keep saying it... they are the real threat.

https://x.com/james_freeman__/status/1865180136720523344

 

The destruction of Democracy is necessary to defeat Russia.

 

 

 

Edited March 9 by gearhog

[Clark Griswold]

 
The destruction of Democracy is necessary to defeat Russia.

 
 
 

I fear trying to “save/fix” the world makes you destroy yourself
I hope a generation of leaders figure this out soon


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[chase]

19 hours ago, gearhog said:

 

The destruction of Democracy is necessary to defeat Russia.

 

 

 

The defense of democracy is necessary to defeat Russia

<go google yourself a random twitter link about Romanian Election Campaign Interference that supports my narrative>

 

 

Edited March 10 by chase

[SurelySerious]

[disgruntledemployee]

12 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

 

Oooh, Putin better not piss off Trump, or he'll get The Tweet.  See, there's The Tweet, and then there's the Mozam Tweet.  That's where you can feel his breath as you read the tweet.  Shits gonna get real. 🤣

[BFM this]

Trump talks to Putin must mean that Trump is Putin's puppet.  Ya not buying that.

Despite the noise in the first Trump term, something struck a nerve, at least for me.  Some background:

I cut my teeth in the military with my first assignment in Okinawa--the Korean Theatre of Operations.  Obviously as an E3 my worldview was as tight a soda straw as it gets.  But there I was going through exercises, training plans, sorties, upgrades, trips, and doing research projects on forward operating locations both in Taiwan and up on the peninsula.  1995, so KIS had just kicked the bucket leaving KJI in charge, but not before he'd started lobbing ballistic missiles across the Sea of Japan.

Fast forward a decade, and I'm back in the KTO, this time as a member of the LPA.  More bluster, more ballistic missile launches, KJU taken over after his dad.  At this point, patterns start to emerge, at least in my mind.  After the NoDAKs had lost their benefactor, the USSR, they devolved into a pattern of famine, saber rattling, receiving aid from the west, less noise until the aid starts to run out, then lather rinse repeat.  All while, for the most part, diplomacy is cold and almost non-existent from the west.

Then one day, seemingly out of nowhere, POTUS is standing on the other side of the line in Panmunjom, shooting the shit with KJU.  What in the actual fuck?  But for a minute at least, the NoDAKs appear to have blinked, taken a moment to consider some economic incentives, trade even.

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Ok, lots of words, but how does this tie into the Ukraine situation?

1: Remember when Obama got caught on hot mic with Putin whispering all of the sweet nothings he could do in his second term?  -->Clean pass.  DJT keeps a line open to Putin-->obviously a puppet.  Bullshit; don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.

2: DJT, as I illustrated above, clearly breaks with established geopolitical dogma.  And I honestly cannot say that I see the downside, although I will not suggest there won't be a downside ever.  Likewise with UKR: he's changing course, and I for one do not see a desirable outcome in the course followed over the last 5 years, so by all means pick another point on the compass and press.

Folks (not the least of which Zelenskyy) want to see Putin/Russia defeated/punished/humiliated.  And they are willing to spend as much of our treasure and the UKR military aged population to reach their utopian vision.  Here's the bottom line, as I see it: Putin/Russia are not going to be defeated/punished/humiliated without a real cost that we will not want to pay, and I just cannot fathom how everyone is ignoring that elephant in the room.

[BashiChuni]

4 hours ago, BFM this said:

  Here's the bottom line, as I see it: Putin/Russia are not going to be defeated/punished/humiliated without a real cost that we will not want to pay, and I just cannot fathom how everyone is ignoring that elephant in the room.

fantastic overall post.

WW3 isn't worth it for a country no one in the US cared about pre-invasion...well no one but the biden family that is.

[SurelySerious]