Russian Ukraine shenanigans

[BashiChuni]

4 hours ago, SurelySerious said:

With Putin’s forces walking back across the sovereign border in the humiliating defeat he deserves; certainly not with the POTUS using Putin’s figures and arguments in public to force “peace.” Russia can end this anytime. Putin is using Trump to achieve his ends, and you argued above in favor of that. F that.

Uh yeah and how exactly is that going to happen?

[SurelySerious]

Uh yeah and how exactly is that going to happen?

Trump not siding with Putin is a start. Don’t be obtuse.

[Day Man]

5 hours ago, tac airlifter said:

edit to add: this X post articulates my sense of this event

 

while everyone has their inherent biases, having a known racist articulate a similar POV is not ideal IMO

[BashiChuni]

51 minutes ago, SurelySerious said:

Trump not siding with Putin is a start. Don’t be obtuse.

Don’t avoid the answer. There’s no path to victory for Ukraine. How would you realistically push the Russians back?

[blueingreen]

20 minutes ago, Day Man said:

while everyone has their inherent biases, having a known racist articulate a similar POV is not ideal IMO

Why not deal with the content of his tweet straightforwardly as opposed to parsing it through the lens of whatever "racism" a wikipedia editor accused him of? Don't we make fun of the progressive left for pre-screening ideas based on ideological alignment?

[BashiChuni]

[tac airlifter]

1 hour ago, Day Man said:

while everyone has their inherent biases, having a known racist articulate a similar POV is not ideal IMO

So a "known racist" has a POV on a topic unrelated to race, and it's "not ideal" that a similar POV aligns with this?  What?

hope you don't like vegetables, because Hitler liked vegetables and we know how that turned out.

[Lord Ratner]

17 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

So a "known racist" has a POV on a topic unrelated to race, and it's "not ideal" that a similar POV aligns with this?  What?

hope you don't like vegetables, because Hitler liked vegetables and we know how that turned out.

I think the more relevant point is if the only people you can find to support your position are racists, there aren't enough people supporting your position. 

 

Just find better supporters. It's the Internet.

 

Sure, the line between eugenics and racism is fuzzy, but he was using a pseudonym, so let's not pretend this clown is like Charles Murray. He did also apologize, and young people say dumb shit. 

 

But, find a better spokesperson

Edited Saturday at 03:50 AM by Lord Ratner

[blueingreen]

13 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

I think the more relevant point is if the only people you can find to support your position are racists, there aren't enough people supporting your position. 

 

Just find better supporters. It's the Internet.

 

Sure, the line between eugenics and racism is fuzzy, but he was using a pseudonym, so let's not pretend this clown is like Charles Murray. He did also apologize, and young people say dumb shit. 

 

But, find a better spokesperson

I haven't heard much about Hanania before, and I didn't post his tweet originally, but here's another tweet from Konstantin Kisin, a co-host on Triggernometry, expressing the same thing. There isn't even much of a "position" here to support or object to. People just need to listen to the whole Trump / Zelenskyy interview for context...

[Lord Ratner]

6 minutes ago, blueingreen said:

I haven't heard much about Hanania before, and I didn't post his tweet originally, but here's another tweet from Konstantin Kisin, a co-host on Triggernometry, expressing the same thing. There isn't even much of a "position" here to support or object to. People just need to listen to the whole Trump / Zelenskyy interview for context...

A much better source. 

 

And, by the way, I agree with them.

[Boomer6]

[Day Man]

51 minutes ago, tac airlifter said:

So a "known racist" has a POV on a topic unrelated to race, and it's "not ideal" that a similar POV aligns with this?  What?

hope you don't like vegetables, because Hitler liked vegetables and we know how that turned out.

hey, this guy's a racist piece of shit, but he has a take on geopolitics that aligns with my views so it's cool...what the hell even is this timeline

[tac airlifter]

29 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

I think the more relevant point is if the only people you can find to support your position are racists, there aren't enough people supporting your position. 

 

Just find better supporters. It's the Internet.

 

Sure, the line between eugenics and racism is fuzzy, but he was using a pseudonym, so let's not pretend this clown is like Charles Murray. He did also apologize, and young people say dumb shit. 

 

But, find a better spokesperson

“The only people you can find?” 

Bro the thing just happened today and I linked a post which made articulate points.  If that poster has posted offensive stuff about a different topic at a different time, I do not care or find any relevancy.  

 

1 minute ago, Day Man said:

hey, this guy's a racist piece of shit, but he has a take on geopolitics that aligns with my views so it's cool...what the hell even is this timeline

So your standard for quoting someone is you agree with them on every topic they’ve ever articulated?  Noted.

[Lord Ratner]

Just now, tac airlifter said:

“The only people you can find?” 

Bro the thing just happened today and I linked a post which made articulate points.  If that poster has posted offensive stuff about a different topic at a different time, I do not care or find any relevancy.  

 

So your standard for quoting someone is you agree with them on every topic they’ve ever articulated?  Noted.

If you don't know anything about the person, why waste our time quoting him? It's one thing to quite someone relevant, otherwise this is like your drunk father in law forwarding spam email chains.

 

The whole point of a message board is to make articulate points. If you watched the video, articulate your point. Then you didn't have to deal with quoting racists or morons.

[Day Man]

1 minute ago, tac airlifter said:

So your standard for quoting someone is you agree with them on every topic they’ve ever articulated?  Noted.

still standing by for your standard...

[tac airlifter]

17 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

If you don't know anything about the person, why waste our time quoting him? It's one thing to quite someone relevant, otherwise this is like your drunk father in law forwarding spam email chains.

 

The whole point of a message board is to make articulate points. If you watched the video, articulate your point. Then you didn't have to deal with quoting racists or morons.

I quoted that person because after responding myself multiple times I felt perhaps their words would make the point I was attempting in a way which resonated better and added details. If you feel my own points were inarticulate I welcome that feedback.  I did watch the video.  In fact I posted a 10 minute clip of the video.  If you have feedback on something I said, I’m ready to listen. If you have additional inputs on the quote I added to assist my point, I’m not interested, it’s boring.

14 minutes ago, Day Man said:

still standing by for your standard...

Didn’t know you were waiting?  Here’s my standard: if the quote is cogent and concisely articulates a concept I find true, I will use it.  I have a whole list of quotes, and many of them from people with moral failings including Ghandi (who beat his wife), Socrates (who was found guilty of corrupting the youth) and Sun Tzu (who was a racist mercenary).  I try to judge ideas based on the ideas, rather than dismiss them because the speaker has other failings.

[disgruntledemployee]

20 hours ago, jonlbs said:

Apples to Oranges. A lot of people have died for no reason under the guise of “freedom” and I guess I’m not one that supports that. When real freedom is at stake I have no doubt I’ll be there.

So the Ukrainians are fighting for fake freedom from Russia?  Please elaborate on when it's OK or not allowed to fight for, what you phrase as "freedom." Its an interesting point to ponder. 

20 hours ago, jonlbs said:

Also not sure how you keep up with the 1v5 debates on here. Seems like a full time job so kudos for sticking with it 😂 

Coffee, then beer. 

Edited Saturday at 06:00 PM by disgruntledemployee
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[BashiChuni]

[Banzai]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-halts-cyber-operations-against-044500299.html
 

How do you spin this one?

[gearhog]

5 hours ago, Banzai said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-halts-cyber-operations-against-044500299.html
How do you spin this one?

How does one spin that the USA has stopped attacking one of the nations it's actively engaged in brokering a peace deal with? Serious question?

Here's one you'll find equally baffling:

Shot...

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1896151547853382092

 

Chaser...

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1896287319730295136

[Banzai]

15 minutes ago, gearhog said:

How does one spin that the USA has stopped attacking one of the nations it's actively engaged in brokering a peace deal with? Serious question?

Here's one you'll find equally baffling:

Shot...

https://x.com/stillgray/status/1896151547853382092

 

Chaser...

https://x.com/clashreport/status/1896287319730295136

 

Took a pic of @gearhog and @BashiChuni hanging at the convention

[Banzai]

It’s fun watching the military members of this forum - who I am 100% certain trained to fight the Russians (because they have moral and political views opposite of the US and have for about 75 years) - start gargling and regurgitating Russia is our friend propaganda. Do as you’re told, guys.

Yes, yes, sow division between western allies, push for the dissolution of NATO, Russia is the oppressed one here, Ukraine started the war. Might want to look up Neville Chamberlain and start learning from history before you doom yourself to the wrong side of it.

Edited Sunday at 08:47 PM by Banzai

[gearhog]

15 minutes ago, Banzai said:

 

Took a pic of @gearhog and @BashiChuni hanging at the convention

If you're going to attempt petty insults, at least embed them in some sort of a rational argument. Otherwise, it only appears you're trying to deflect from a debate you can't win. I've been here more than 20 years. I have seen every debate tactic. You're simply not going to have an effect. Either win, or find another way to cope.

9 minutes ago, Banzai said:

It’s fun watching the military members of this forum - who I am 100% certain trained to fight the Russians (because they have moral and political views opposite of the US and have for about 75 years) - start gargling Russia is our friend propaganda. Do as you’re told, guys.

Yes, yes, sow division between western allies, push for the dissolution of NATO, Russia is the oppressed one here, Ukraine started the war.

Why didn't you just combine the posts? Not once have I ever said Russia was our friend. But their threat the the United States is as ineffectual as your insults are to my feelings. For the record, I love my country and I support the decisions our country is making with regard to this conflict. 

It seems you're a little put off by the position the USA has taken with regard to seeking peace. You don't dislike America, right? You don't seem supportive of the idea of peace and stability. Very strange.

Edited Sunday at 08:54 PM by gearhog

[Banzai]

[gearhog]

1 minute ago, Banzai said:

Straw man tactic. Not one has said this. You're inventing positions to argue against (or, in this case, copy/paste memes as a response) because you you're not equipped to make your case intelligently. It's apparent to me, and it's apparent to you.