Today in hypocrisy...

[Standby]

1 hour ago, Sua Sponte said:

A large part of your theory is someone using some abstract interpretation of intent. I guess the next time you’re caught speeding the cop can just arrest you, and the DA charge you, for attempted murder since there was no reason for you to speed. You were also speeding in a vehicle weighing thousands of pounds and you could’ve killed someone had you hit them.

There is no abstract interpretation of intent. The two examples I cited were quite specific regarding that notion.
 

You probably think Snowden did the right thing too, huh?

[Sua Sponte]

53 minutes ago, Standby said:

There is no abstract interpretation of intent. The two examples I cited were quite specific regarding that notion.
 

You probably think Snowden did the right thing too, huh?

If that was true (it’s not), then abstract interpretation of intent wouldn’t be argued constantly in criminal court. 
 

No, Snowden broke the law. However, using your logic he’s no better than a murderer. Thankfully, those who write U.S. Code disagree with said logic.

[Sim]

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.102.1_1.pdf

[Lord Ratner]

21 hours ago, nsplayr said:

You can hold everyone accountable, that’s fine.

Where we disagree maybe is that I’m not a fan of going back years to re-litigate cases where no charges were brought. How far back do you go? To what end?

”Go back and run that bitch through the same ringer” is not a sound legal theory for equal justice under the law. And FWIW I don’t want to “run Trump through the ringer,” I want the law applied and the investigation to be thorough, no more and no less.

If Hunter’s case is still pending, by all means investigate that to a logical conclusion.

We agree that Hillary’s case wasn’t handled well, great. It is not defensible to have TS/SCI on her server, I haven’t defended that, nor is it defensible for Trump to have similarly classified docs (marked as such) in a random closet at his Florida golf club. Trump’s case is being investigated right now, let’s have the DOJ handle the case correctly.

If you are not tried in court, and there is no statute of limitations, a crime does not expire. You go back as far as the law allows and the crime occurred. If the statute of limitations has passed, public humiliation will suffice.

 

You've obviously never been charged with a crime. I have, and believe me, "the law applied and the investigation thorough" is getting put through the ringer. Full stop. Doesn't matter how innocent you are.

 

I'd like to see most of the assholes in Washington locked up, and I don't care what team they're on. But if it's not going to be fair, it would be better if we went back to the old days of ignoring *all* political corruption on both sides. At least then the voters feel like they are getting fucked equally.

 

Whataboutism isn't a political trick, it's human (animal) nature. As with most liberal failings, ignore human nature at your peril.

Edited August 26, 2022 by Lord Ratner

[CaptainMorgan]

You've obviously never been charged with a crime. I have

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[Sim]

“Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime.” – Lavrentiy Beria

 

Maybe some are ignorant of the above quote, but it is very true today. As an investigator, I can find crime in anyone - regardless of how "clean" you think you are. I WILL find a law that you've unknowingly violated. And if that "investigative" official has political bias - this will not go well for a society of the "law". 

I don't understand why this concept is so difficult to understand. The scale of justice always had a finger tipped in one way by USG but now it's so blatant. When USG uses political bias to enforce laws that ALL prior-POTUS violated, we as a society will not last long. 

[nsplayr]

28 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

I'd like to see most of the assholes in Washington locked up, and I don't care what team they're on. But if it's not going to be fair, it would be better if we went back to the old days of ignoring *all* political corruption on both sides. At least then the voters feel like they are getting fucked equally.

 

This is a major philosophical difference I guess. I don’t think people are inherently bad, I don’t dislike/distrust most of our elected officials, and I don’t want to pre-judicially “lock up most of the assholes in Washington.”

People make political and policy choices I don’t agree with all the time, but mostly because their either have different values or incentives than I do. Very, very few people think they’re the baddies. If you are an actual criminal then by all means let’s see justice served, otherwise let’s feel free to disagree with people without calling for them to be hanged.

I for one also don’t endorse throwing the baby out with the bathwater and think we should always work to improve our institutional accountability and fairness. Past performance is not a guarantee of future returns. But if you want to give up and just say “f it” and legalize or tacitly accept rampant corruption as the norm ok, good luck with that.

32 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

Whataboutism isn't a political trick, it's human (animal) nature. As with most liberal failings, ignore human nature at your peril.

It may feel natural to succumb to lots of diffeeent logical fallacies, but you by no means are required to live like that or accept bad reasoning from others 🤷‍♂️

[Lord Ratner]

15 hours ago, Day Man said:

that's not at all what zuck said...and its 'censor'.

ETA: disregard: I googled posobiec and didn't realize it was troll shit. my bad.

 

Is the hill "troll shit?"

 

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3616579-zuckerberg-tells-rogan-that-facebook-suppressed-hunter-biden-laptop-story-after-fbi-warning-defends-agency-as-legitimate-institution/amp/

[Lord Ratner]

I don't think I could ask for a better proxy for the generalized problem with liberal/democratic thinking. For that I am grateful.

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

I don’t think people are inherently bad

In fact, they are inherently good. But they are also very susceptible to the corrupting influence of power, which our political class have retained in greater quantities since the founding. It has wildly distorted the system as it was designed, wherein the founders recognized this corrupting power and used elections and checks and balances to fight it. But obviously they weren't able to foresee the technological and demographic changes that have made politics a much different beast 200 years later.

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

Very, very few people think they’re the baddies.

This is not borne out in the polling data. In fact, Americans on both sides are increasingly likely to believe the people who disagree with their politics are in fact bad people. 

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/13/1117232857/americans-have-increasingly-negative-views-of-those-in-the-other-political-party

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/10/10/partisan-antipathy-more-intense-more-personal/

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

It may feel natural to succumb to lots of diffeeent logical fallacies, but you by no means are required to live like that or accept bad reasoning from others 🤷‍♂️

And now we are back to the generalized failings of liberal thinking. You believe you are qualified to determine what bad reasoning or logical fallacies are. That you would not afford the same freedom to the proletariat, who you are completely out of touch with.

And of course, I'm not making the argument that their decision making will result in better outcomes than yours. In fact, I would bet on you if we could create an isolated system. But we can't, and what we know for sure is that while bad decision making will result in bad outcomes when compared to good decision making, taking away that decision making authority will result in far more catastrophic outcomes. That, at its core, is the foundational error in progressive thought. Individual entities working in massive systems without centralized control always outperform hierarchical control structures. We see this both in the success of individualist-based governments versus socialist governments, and free market economies versus communist economies.

We also see this in all manner of policy issues, the greatest of which may be abortion, but gun control, transgender children and their medical care, the gay wedding cake debacle, and the Democratic push to regulate what news stories are suitable for public consumption. Everything the liberals have done to advance these issues in their favor have exploded spectacularly in their face. That is not because of skilled Republican political maneuvering, it's because when you piss on the leg of human nature, human nature turns around and punches you right in the face.

[pawnman]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

This is a major philosophical difference I guess. I don’t think people are inherently bad, I don’t dislike/distrust most of our elected officials, and I don’t want to pre-judicially “lock up most of the assholes in Washington.”

 

I don't think people are inherently bad, but I do think anyone narcissistic enough to think they should dictate rules to 330 million people is.

[nsplayr]

2 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

That you would not afford the same freedom to the proletariat, who you are completely out of touch with.

Your post goes off in a million different directions, but just on this point alone…who do you think I am exactly?

Because I’m a 30-something straight white male with a nuclear family who owns guns, attends church regularly, serves in uniform and lives in a exurb in a red state. #RealAmerica

I am by no means some “elite” Gender Studies professor who is out of touch on my yacht eating caviar with my Yale buddies, nor can I take a quick vacay to Cancun when the power goes out.

The reason I know I’m better than everyone else is because I also happen to be a pilot, yet what keep me so humble is that I used to be a Nav. 😅

I just maybe paid some semblance of attention in school (public school in the south mind you), and can point out common logical fallacies, like whataboutism. Drives me nuts.

The problem at hand is that Trump had TS/SCI in his golf club back in January, failed to hand it all back when ordered to do so, and then the FBI paid a visit and found even more TS/SCI  in early August! Seems bad!

It’ll be especially bad for him if the DOJ listens to whatever esteemed BO.net dude it was that wants mishandling classified punished more harshly than murder 😬

Anyways, carry on, time to throw my phone in the ocean like I keep intending to do 🍻

Edited August 26, 2022 by nsplayr

[Lord Ratner]

36 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Because I’m a 30-something straight white male with a nuclear family who owns guns, attends church regularly, serves in uniform and lives in a exurb in a red state. #RealAmerica

I am by no means some “elite” Gender Studies professor who is out of touch on my yacht eating caviar with my Yale buddies, nor can I take a quick vacay to Cancun when the power goes out.

I don't think that at all. I think you're a very intelligent, self-driven idealist. And I've noticed that there's a huge and growing divide between the professional class and the plebes. The ability to isolate amongst similarly-situated and like minded families, both online and in communities, is abnormally high in the modern era. Look no further than people like yourself who regularly talk about how great everything is in the modern world while completely failing to see a huge part of the country who have lives that are materially worse than their parents' lives were. You might call it Trump country, but based on your commentary you have little experience with the people in that demographic.

 

The gap between the haves and the have nots is growing at an alarming rate. Unfortunately, the only people who are focused on this issue, probably you, but definitely the hyper progressive activists/politicians in the Democratic party, have a twofold problem.

 

- They hate half of the people in the have-not group. The Trumpers, if you will.

- Their prescriptions to help the half they like are violative of human nature and are doomed to failure.

 

You can't see past the teams. That's not on you, the political class figured out how to polarize the electorate almost identically to how sports teams polarize their fans. It's generally harmless in football, but politically it's tearing the country apart. The real game isn't democrat vs Republican, it's the new aristocracy vs everyone else.

 

Just look at the percentage of wealth of the 1% and look at how it changed during the pandemic. The least vulnerable people increased their share of the pie by a huge amount, and they did it with monetary and political trick-fuckery.

 

46 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

The problem at hand is that Trump had TS/SCI in his golf club back in January, failed to hand it all back when ordered to do so, and then the FBI paid a visit and found even more TS/SCI  in early August! Seems bad!

No, the problem at hand is the continued erosion of faith, shared equally by Democrats and Republicans, in the institutions and elections of our country. In 2016 most Democrats thought the election was rigged. Same for Republicans in 2020.

Some boxes of secrets in Trump's basement or emails in Hillary's bathroom are irrelevant. The differing treatment of these offenses by the law enforcement institutions is everything. That is what you fail to grasp.

 

 

[JBueno]

Ever sped by a guy getting a speeding ticket? 

[nsplayr]

38 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

You might call it Trump country, but based on your commentary you have little experience with the people in that demographic.

You do know it’s very ironic to call yourself @Lord Ratner and claim to be a voice of “the plebes” right? I keed…

I have lived 86% of my life in states that were once part of the Confederacy. The county that I currently live in voted literally 69% for Trump in the 2020 election. You’re not characterizing me very well my friend, I know the people you’re talking about!

My other other reply to the rest of your post is this, nay to populism whether it’s from the bernie left or the trumpy right. Beyond that I’m ceasing buzzer:

[Sua Sponte]

[TreeA10]

The judge Rick Rolled us!

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

I have lived 86% of my life in states that were once part of the Confederacy.

Dude, it’s literally 2022…the confederacy ended over 157 years ago.  And below is the map that Carter won in 1980 and Bill Clinton won in 1996.  Make a better argument.

[ClearedHot]

14 hours ago, nsplayr said:

The reason I know I’m better than everyone else is because I also happen to be a pilot RPA PILOT, yet what keep me so humble is that I used to be a Nav. 😅

 

FIFY

10 hours ago, Sua Sponte said:

[HU&W]

18 hours ago, nsplayr said:

The reason I know I’m better than everyone else is because I also happen to be a pilot, yet what keep me so humble is that I used to be a Nav.

 

[LookieRookie]

37 minutes ago, HU&W said:

 

It’s so weird that rpa-only pilots always throw out they are pilots, when they aren’t.

An Air Force pilot when through some type of UPT.

An rpa pilot may be an AF pilot or may be an AF rpa-only pilot. 

[nsplayr]

I mean I sign for the airplane, shake the stick, and pull the trigger…that’s real enough for me 🇺🇸 BQZip’s mom thought it felt real enough for her too…

[Guardian]

Remotely Control or I pilot (lower case p) an RPA. You have an instrument qual but have not demonstrated the ability to fly instruments as required by 11 series regulations as an RPA RC’er or NAV. There is a reason that the AFSC starts with 18 not 11. Edit. Because the MQ9 isn’t capable of flying instruments.

It’s like when a sensor operator says they are a co pilot. They are not. But it sure gets the ladies down on the Vegas strip.

I’m not sure if your last sentence is a joke or not. I’ve not met a humble NAV.

There are RPA operators that are better operators and officers than some pilots. Doesn’t mean you get to strut around and apply a micro fact at a macro level.

Facts are not NAV or RPA hate. They are just facts.

[Guardian]

I mean I sign for the airplane, shake the stick, and pull the trigger…that’s real enough for me BQZip’s mom thought it felt real enough for her too…

Airplane forms are in theater or with the aircraft….you just sign flight authorizations since you are not co located.

[Guardian]

And you’ve got altitude hold on all the time. So never touching the throttle unless your consenting to something. Wonder how you apply the bottle to throttle mantra since you likely don’t ever touch the throttles.

[FLEA]

45 minutes ago, Guardian said:

And you’ve got altitude hold on all the time. So never touching the throttle unless your consenting to something. Wonder how you apply the bottle to throttle mantra since you likely don’t ever touch the throttles.

For years 11-202 said do not consume alcohol within 12 hours of takeoff and I REALLY wanted to press to test this and see what happens if you never take the plane off..... Think they eventually fixed that glitch though....

Edited August 27, 2022 by FLEA