Today in hypocrisy...

[ClearedHot]

Hypocrisy, lunacy, Irony...maybe all three.  You simply can't make this crap up.

FBI Agent who led Trump-Russia probe arrested for providing assistance to Russian Oligarch and violating Russian sanctions!

[FDNYOldGuy]

Looks like it's all thumbs up there at the highest levels when it comes to handling classified documents...

Classified Documents Found at Mike Pence's Indiana Home

[FourFans]

[Pooter]

7 hours ago, FourFans said:

This actually reminds me about a fun wind power fact not a lot of people think about. What do you think they do with wind turbine parts/blades at the end of their service life?

They bury them in the middle of nowhere, of course!
 

Meanwhile in Gillette, Wyoming

https://apnews.com/article/industrial-waste-wyoming-gillette-085d653f2f46a279236b7633a7b6014f

[arg]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/breaking-pro-trump-meme-maker-douglass-mackey-ricky-vaughn-found-guilty-of-trolling-hillary-clinton-during-2016-election-faces-10-years-in-prison/

[VMFA187]

The Left has started utilizing the judicial system to attack its opponents. I feel like we have seen this happen in other countries before...

[pbar]

8 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

The Left has started utilizing the judicial system to attack its opponents. I feel like we have seen this happen in other countries before...

The scary part is they have no idea what comes next.  I mean;

1. Wreck Trump

2. Disenfranchise all the right-wing flyover rubes

3...

4. Paradise

This isn't much of plan as history shows.  And the Revolution always eats its own.

 

 

[Pooter]

2 hours ago, VMFA187 said:

The Left has started utilizing the judicial system to attack its opponents. I feel like we have seen this happen in other countries before...

Lol is the insinuation here that trump is squeaky clean and this is nothing but a baseless witch hunt?  Like a KGB style targeting of a political dissident? It's a fun narrative for the right to rally around for sure. Except it doesn't jive with reality.  

Reality is that trump has likely been getting away with crap his entire life due to money, power, and status.  His, Biden, and Pence's classified document debacles would be enough to land any of us normies in prison for a long time. But of course none of them will face consequences for that blatant recklessness. 

Personally I'm glad the left opened this door. Hopefully the right retaliates and prosecutes crimes committed by prominent leftists. As long as the prosecutions have solid evidence, more politicians going to jail on both sides is an extremely good thing. I cannot think of a single group of people who deserve it more. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Pooter

[VMFA187]

6 minutes ago, Pooter said:

Lol is the insinuation here that trump is squeaky clean and this is nothing but a baseless witch hunt?  Like a KGB style targeting of a political dissident? It's a fun narrative for the right to rally around for sure. Except it doesn't jive with reality.  

Reality is that trump has likely been getting away with crap his entire life due to money, power, and status.  His, Biden, and Pence's classified document debacles would be enough to land any of us normies in prison for a long time. But of course none of them will face consequences for that blatant recklessness. 

Personally I'm glad the left opened this door. Hopefully the right retaliates and prosecutes crimes committed by prominent leftists. As long as the prosecutions have solid evidence, more politicians going to jail on both sides is an extremely good thing. I cannot think of a single group of people who deserve prison more. 

I didn't insinuate anything. I made a statement. I agree that both sides should be prosecuted if guilty of crimes. We haven't seen anything on Biden or his son, Nancy Pelosi's infamous insider trading, or anything on Hillary Clinton pushed forward. 

Didn't we have a former President of the democratic variety lie under oath about an affair while in office? Is that not worse than what the Left is seeking to currently prosecute Trump for?

The Left is doing this to defeat their political counterparts is what I am saying, they are not doing it out of some morale high ground. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by VMFA187

[Pooter]

1 minute ago, VMFA187 said:

I didn't insinuate anything. I made a statement. I agree that both sides should be prosecuted if guilty of crimes. We haven't seen anything on Biden or his son, Nancy Pelosi's infamous insider trading, or anything on Hillary Clinton pushed forward. 

Didn't we have a former President of the democratic variety lie under oath about an affair while in office? Is that not worse than what the Left is seeking to currently prosecute Trump for?

Agree with all of the above. The right should get on all of that and prosecute away. I mean it. Every single one of them belongs in jail.
 

But the fact that the right is currently behind the ball does not make trump's prosecution invalid. Only the jury will decide that. 

[nsplayr]

People who do crimes should face justice and be arraigned, tried and convicted as necessary. Anyone and everyone.

This goes for murdering little children at school, shooting a rival gang member, running over protesters with you car, looting during a riot, being an insurrectionist & storming the seat of government, being a member of Congress who unjustly profits off their positions, or being a former Presidents who seemingly broke quite a few laws in numerous and colorful ways.

No one is above the law.

Edited April 4, 2023 by nsplayr

[nsplayr]

40 minutes ago, VMFA187 said:

Didn't we have a former President of the democratic variety lie under oath about an affair while in office? Is that not worse than what the Left is seeking to currently prosecute Trump for?

It's fairly similar, although Clinton's case didn't involve any money or campaign finance or business laws. But both are bad! Getting your dick sucked in the Oval Office (while married) and then blatantly lying about it is bad! As much as we all love a solid BJ now and again lol. Bill was impeached for his crime, which is the appropriate legal process for a sitting President. Glad we seem to agree.

The appropriate legal process for a former President is just the regular ole' legal system, because "former President" is not a public office. Citizen Trump should face the same consequences as anyone else, no more, no less.

And yea, boning a porn star (while married), and then secretly paying her (and others) hush money to cover it up while running for President is bad. Not like murdering school kids bad, but morally bad and potentially illegal depending on how you do it (I'm not a lawyer).

John Edwards and Newt Gingrich, who are in the same-ish realm in terms of what they did, are also bad and no one should vote for or trust liars who cheat on their wives.

Edited April 4, 2023 by nsplayr

[busdriver]

1 hour ago, nsplayr said:

And yea, boning a porn star (while married), and then secretly paying her (and others) hush money to cover it up while running for President is bad. Not like murdering school kids bad, but morally bad and potentially illegal depending on how you do it (I'm not a lawyer).

John Edwards and Newt Gingrich, who are in the same-ish realm in terms of what they did, are also bad and no one should vote for or trust liars who cheat on their wives.

One year ago, the DNC/Clinton campaign paid $113k to the FEC for violating campaign finance laws.  The violation was paying Christopher Steele to conduct opposition research on the Trump campaign and then documenting those payments as legal services (familiar sounding..).  In the grand scheme of campaign finance violations, that's a trivial sum considering millions of fines are handed out annually.  All of that is to say, that is the precedent that has been set on the level of "seriousness" of these types of charges.

Which makes the current charade in NYC seem a little out of proportion.

The inevitable tit-for-tat that will come is going to be bad.  

 

The internet troll case is far worse however.

[nsplayr]

I agree that the NYC case here against trump is weak and likely should not have been brought even if he likely did commit the crimes in question. It will unfortunately tamp down seriousness of the GA election interference case in particular, which I think is extremely persuasive. He’s on tape very directly doing the crime in question!

No one is above the law, but you also probably should not bring cases that in other circumstances would be settled out of court with fines.

[ClearedHot]

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

It's fairly similar, although Clinton's case didn't involve any money or campaign finance or business laws. But both are bad! Getting your dick sucked in the Oval Office (while married) and then blatantly lying about it is bad! As much as we all love a solid BJ now and again lol. Bill was impeached for his crime, which is the appropriate legal process for a sitting President. Glad we seem to agree.

Campaign finance laws...interesting given that Hillary ACTUALLY did commit campaign finance laws and was simply fined for it.  The strawman theory this DA clown came up with...at least we think because the indictment with 34 felonies doesn't actually articulate the felony part...is that by paying off a woman he had sex with, he some how defrauded the voter.  Quick question my friend, if Hillary paid for a FAKE dossier, didn't she in fact defraud the voter and the system with false information?  Why wasn't she perp walked in front of a judge...?

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

The appropriate legal process for a former President is just the regular ole' legal system, because "former President" is not a public office. Citizen Trump should face the same consequences as anyone else, no more, no less.

You mean the ole' legal system that Hilary faced for having a crap ton of TS SAR/SAP on her private server?  GMAFB.

The Dems have open Pandora's box, just like they did with the nuclear option in the senate and there WILL be retribution which the GOP regains power.  Democracy as we know it in this country is dead, we had a good run but the Dems drove a spike through it today. 

[Standby]

3 hours ago, nsplayr said:

People who do crimes should face justice and be arraigned, tried and convicted as necessary. Anyone and everyone.

Jaywalking. Trick or treating as a 15 year old in Chesapeake, VA. Wearing slippers in public after 10PM in New York City.

All crimes, so let’s find the dirtbag offenders and put em in the gallows.

My actual point: thank god we are now deciding to enforce the law. The witch hunt 2.0 will absolutely instill faith in our bureaucracy. The real lesson learned is that it’s ok to do shady shit, as long as you’re not voting republican. Luckily we live in an era when you can identify as anything you want. So if you BO.net patrons ever get rolled up, don’t forget to play the trans/lib card for free passage. 

[nsplayr]

41 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

…there WILL be retribution which the GOP regains power.  Democracy as we know it in this country is dead, we had a good run but the Dems drove a spike through it today. 

Democracy and keeping our institutions strong is a choice. And you’re actively choosing to do otherwise it seems.

Again, it’s not the (few) Dems or more liberal people here on this forum calling for a civil war, saying “there will be retribution,” saying democracy is dead, etc. At least not me that I remember. Recently it’s very, very frequently been the GOP/right/whatever folks.

You do know it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy to say “democracy is dead” and then kill it on purpose when you win the next election, right? Same goes for “government is bad.” Damndest thing, that comes true when the party that believes that takes power and then deliberately runs things poorly!

How about, and this might sound crazy, we *not* do that? Just spitballing here…

Stop calling for a civil war, stop saying democracy is dead, stop choosing retribution and revenge fantasies rather than keeping our country strong. Many of us are currently serving and it’s frankly shameful to want to tear down the very government you are a part of and trash the institutions and values we should be protecting.

The country is imperfect, copy. Work to perfect it then!

Same message BTW for the radical leftists who are stridently opposed to the American system of government and our way of life. F them and F anyone on any side who wants to burn it all down and start again; that does not turn out well.

Edited April 5, 2023 by nsplayr

[nsplayr]

33 minutes ago, Standby said:

The real lesson learned is that it’s ok to do shady shit, as long as you’re not voting republican.

This is false. If you commit crimes, no matter who you are, you should face appropriate justice. Jaywalking, come the F on.

Any of the other stuff I’ve talked about recently, yea, if you do crimes you should face the justice system regardless of who you are or who you vote for.

If you think the law has been applied unevenly in the past, you are right! I agree with you! So let’s apply it correctly now.

Edited April 5, 2023 by nsplayr

[Lawman]

This is false. If you commit crimes, no matter who you are, you should face appropriate justice. Jaywalking, come the F on.
Any of the other stuff I’ve talked about recently, yea, if you do crimes you should face the justice system regardless of who you are or who you vote for.
If you think the law has been applied unevenly in the past, you are right! I agree with you! So let’s apply it correctly now.

You don’t get to start paying attention but just with the other political side.

If attorney generals wanted to actually make an argument hey we’re attempting to impartially apply judicial action where it was appropriate but neglected due to political connection, they would start with their own party. Then they’d have a leg to stand on that this isn’t politically motivated.

We aren’t seeing that, so don’t try and sell it for them like as soon as we get done with this we will move on to the massive publicly visible nonsense they are ignoring in the meantime. Just for example You have the son of the president dead to rights on everything from drug possession to federal firearms violations. But we won’t see that action by the justice department likely ever.


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[nsplayr]

11 minutes ago, Lawman said:

You don’t get to start paying attention but just with the other political side.

If there are crimes committed by Dems (or anyone) within the jurisdiction of a DA or AG that represents you, by all means, write to them and encourage them to apply the law and bring charges! If they don’t or won’t for political reasons, work to vote them out at the next opportunity.

What should NOT happen is direct political retribution, or different justice applied on different places based solely on party (or race, or gender, or whatever).

Equal justice under the law for everyone is the goal that we have yet to achieve - work to get there rather than explicitly calling for the opposite like some have done here. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by nsplayr

[ClearedHot]

12 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Democracy and keeping our institutions strong is a choice. And you’re actively choosing to do otherwise it seems.

Again, it’s not the (few) Dems or more liberal people here on this forum calling for a civil war, saying “there will be retribution,” saying democracy is dead, etc. At least not me that I remember. Recently it’s very, very frequently been the GOP/right/whatever folks.

You do know it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy to say “democracy is dead” and then kill it on purpose when you win the next election, right? Same goes for “government is bad.” Damndest thing, that comes true when the party that believes that takes power and then deliberately runs things poorly!

How about, and this might sound crazy, we *not* do that? Just spitballing here…

Stop calling for a civil war, stop saying democracy is dead, stop choosing retribution and revenge fantasies rather than keeping our country strong. Many of us are currently serving and it’s frankly shameful to want to tear down the very government you are a part of and trash the institutions and values we should be protecting.

The country is imperfect, copy. Work to perfect it then!

Same message BTW for the radical leftists who are stridently opposed to the American system of government and our way of life. F them and F anyone on any side who wants to burn it all down and start again; that does not turn out well.

With a straight face you type that nonsense?  How am I choosing to do otherwise...by voicing an opinion?  It is YOUR side that is burning it down at every turn. 

I said when the GOP is in power they will do the same thing out of retribution.  Your side is doing it with glee and you want to lecture me on how the GOP should "not" do the same when they are in power...that is truly rich my brother...rich!

Who said Civil War...oh wait, you did!  I am not calling for Civil War, I didn't say burn it down...I said democracy is dead...when one political party weaponizes MANY government institutions to go after the other party...democracy is DEAD and that is exactly what the DNC has done on multiple occasions.

A lot of people have worked to perfect our system but under this current administration they are swimming upstream.  You seem so willing to gloss over all that your party is doing to tear down this country.  Look at the committee investigating the weaponization of the government...please tell me you don't think it is ok that the IRS visited a witnesses' house WHILE HE WAS TESTIFYING. 

[ClearedHot]

32 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

If you think the law has been applied unevenly in the past, you are right! I agree with you! So let’s apply it correctly now.

Awesome! Agreed, let's do it!

1.   Arrest Hillary immediately and charge her with mishandling national security secrets.

2.  Arrest Hillary a second time and charge her with election interference through fraud for the dossier.

2.  Arrest Hunter immediately and charge him with a federal gun crime for illegally obtaining a gun.

3.  Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate payments from China to the Biden family.

4.  Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate payment from Ukraine to the Biden family, including 10% for the big guy.

 

 

[filthy_liar]

5 hours ago, nsplayr said:

It's fairly similar, although Clinton's case didn't involve any money or campaign finance or business laws. But both are bad! Getting your dick sucked in the Oval Office (while married) and then blatantly lying about it is bad! As much as we all love a solid BJ now and again lol. Bill was impeached for his crime, which is the appropriate legal process for a sitting President. Glad we seem to agree.

The appropriate legal process for a former President is just the regular ole' legal system, because "former President" is not a public office. Citizen Trump should face the same consequences as anyone else, no more, no less.

And yea, boning a porn star (while married), and then secretly paying her (and others) hush money to cover it up while running for President is bad. Not like murdering school kids bad, but morally bad and potentially illegal depending on how you do it (I'm not a lawyer).

John Edwards and Newt Gingrich, who are in the same-ish realm in terms of what they did, are also bad and no one should vote for or trust liars who cheat on their wives.

I like agreeing with nsplayr worse than getting dick cancer but this is correct. The precedence is not there for putting a former President in this situation isn't there, but can we not all agree that boning a porn star while you are married is a bad look?  And paying her off?  This is the kind of stuff that is going to take Republicans out of the game.   I'm a conservative.  I absolutely detest the way the Democrats have pivoted.  I tried going Republican.  Trump?  No.  Republicans.  Idiots.  Get your shit together and get Trump out of the picture.  Too easy.  I fear Republicans will fuck that up.  How about DeSantis/Haley?  No?  Too hard?  Fucking idiots.  nsplayer don't rest too easy, I think you still have the blinders on.

[Pooter]

It's like you guys just discovered that district attorneys are politically connected people with allegiances and enemies..

Welcome to politics.. and reality. Sorry your guy was stupid enough to pay off a pornstar with campaign funds in state that hates his guts. Maybe do it in the backwoods of Alabama next time.

Are you seriously telling me right now If republicans had Hillary dead to rights on some petty charge in a red state they wouldn't prosecute?? Because norms? 

Its so funny, you guys talk all about "playing the game" in your AF career but it's mind boggling for a political party "play the game" and break norms when it suits them. **Spoiler alert** everyone in politics breaks norms when it suits them.. and bitches about the other party breaking norms when it suits them. 
 

It's just one big tit-for-tat game. It's never been fair. And it never will be.  So you have two COAs:

1) continue complaining about the game not being fair

2) cut your losses, play smarter, and avoid hitching your wagon to orange clowns who make unforced political errors like it's a bodily function. 

[tac airlifter]

7 hours ago, Pooter said:

It's just one big tit-for-tat game. It's never been fair. And it never will be.  So you have two COAs:

1) continue complaining about the game not being fair

2) cut your losses, play smarter, and avoid hitching your wagon to orange clowns who make unforced political errors like it's a bodily function. 

There’s a third possibility: don’t play the game with each other at all (national divorce).  Sounds outlandish, I know, but you’re telling a significant portion of voters an admittedly unfair system will never allow them to vote for their candidate and will continue faux legal maneuvers to subvert the democratic process.  The game is rigged against them and it’s their fault they are too dumb to avoid being cheated.  Why would anybody willingly continue in that system?  

I’m amazed how Americans who can dispassionately assess political events overseas seem completely incapable of applying equally objective analysis to events in our own country.  NS repeating the talking point that “no one is above the law.”  False, several people are obviously above the law and we no longer live in a free country.  The FBI has evidence of Biden family crimes kept them under wraps for years (anyone who has seen the laptop reporting realizes there are major crimes clearly documented therein).  Russian collusion scandal was a crime.  Even Comey said Hillary committed crimes with classified documents but “no reasonable prosecutor” would pursue charges.  WTF?  The Director of the FBI literally stated he knew Clinton committed crimes, but did not think anybody would prosecute them so he wouldn’t try.

Sorry NS, you are wrong, we live in a country where people of a certain political persuasion are above the law. It is obviously corrupt and obviously unsustainable. You can try to paint facts different than they are, but you are not convincing.