Biff_T Posted January 28 Posted January 28 (edited) A Congressman should have to kill himself/herself if an American dies overseas for their (Our government's) stupidity. Clean out congress. When WWIII happens (I think history might say we're in the beginning stages of it), I wouldn't trust some of our leaders to keep us safe. I think they like money more than Americans. Edited January 28 by Biff_T Get to the Choppa
FourFans Posted January 28 Posted January 28 30 minutes ago, Biff_T said: they like money more than Americans Truth
dream big Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 hours ago, tac airlifter said: Agreed, infuriating. My guess is another “proportional and measured” response, although with a bit more teeth, but well short of what is required for our enemies to fear us. The SECEEF should resign in disgrace, this outcome has been obviously inevitable. He’s pretty useless but I have a feeling our responsiveness, or lack thereof, is driven by higher echelons than OSD.
tac airlifter Posted January 28 Posted January 28 42 minutes ago, dream big said: He’s pretty useless but I have a feeling our responsiveness, or lack thereof, is driven by higher echelons than OSD. You aren't wrong, but I have a particular disdain for Austin due to his decisively harmful meddling in this incident; I was in a position to see up close what a craven political creature he is. Sentiments that have amplified since he became SECDEF and sold us out during the fall of Kabul, where I also witnessed his (and others) deliberate injects which emboldened enemies and hurt friendlies. Regarding the current thing and authorities at his level: there have been many proactive opportunities which he's declined. We need accountability. 2 3
FourFans Posted January 28 Posted January 28 2 hours ago, uhhello said: Rest Easy Lads With 'leaders' like this, who needs enemies... Oh wait...now we have enemies too...
Danger41 Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Out at Tower 22 near Al Tanf. 3 FKIA, 34 FWIA, 8 critical evacuees. Damn. 3
ClearedHot Posted January 29 Posted January 29 18 hours ago, tac airlifter said: Agreed, infuriating. My guess is another “proportional and measured” response, although with a bit more teeth, but well short of what is required for our enemies to fear us. The SECEEF should resign in disgrace, this outcome has been obviously inevitable. It should be measured but overwhelming. It should also reflect not only the attack on Tower 22, but the 151 previous attacks on Americans. We only have one carrier forward (the Ike), and she doesn't have any F-35C's so strike along the coast to stay medium risk. I would prefer to save the TLAMs for a follow up response if needed. Also, I would have an even bigger response ready should Iran respond like they did last time. 1
Biff_T Posted January 29 Posted January 29 19 hours ago, uhhello said: Rest Easy Lads Im suprised they're not doing lines of coke.
brabus Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Biff_T said: Im suprised they're not doing lines of coke. Biden’s too busy filling his depends beyond capacity in this picture to be doing coke. And Kamala is too busy practicing writing her lowercase alphabet on the big lined paper used in kindergarten. Edited January 29 by brabus 2
Biff_T Posted January 29 Posted January 29 (edited) 7 minutes ago, brabus said: Biden’s too busy filling his depends beyond capacity in this picture to be doing coke. And Kamala is too busy practicing writing her lowercase alphabet on the big lined paper used in kindergarten. If you look closely, you can see Kamala's actually doodling dongers. Edited January 29 by Biff_T 3
Blue Posted January 29 Posted January 29 Didn't we have some long-standing record that US troops had not been attacked from the air since sometime during the Korean War (70 years ago)? Does this latest attack in Jordan end that record? We've dumped metric tons of money into development of anti-drone technology over the past 20+ years, with much of it to defend against this exact scenario (protecting a remote outpost against small drone attack). Does that technology not work? Or was it not even in place in this scenario? Why, exactly, do we have outposts with 300+ troops in Jordan? 3 2
uhhello Posted January 29 Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Blue said: Didn't we have some long-standing record that US troops had not been attacked from the air since sometime during the Korean War (70 years ago)? Does this latest attack in Jordan end that record? We've dumped metric tons of money into development of anti-drone technology over the past 20+ years, with much of it to defend against this exact scenario (protecting a remote outpost against small drone attack). Does that technology not work? Or was it not even in place in this scenario? Why, exactly, do we have outposts with 300+ troops in Jordan? https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/29/politics/us-soldiers-deaths-jordan/index.html
gearhog Posted January 29 Author Posted January 29 1 hour ago, uhhello said: https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/29/politics/us-soldiers-deaths-jordan/index.html What a shockingly simple tactic. I, too, assumed that 20 years of massive funding and development of drone and anti-drone technologies would keep our bros safe. It wasn't enough.
fire4effect Posted January 29 Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Blue said: Didn't we have some long-standing record that US troops had not been attacked from the air since sometime during the Korean War (70 years ago)? Does this latest attack in Jordan end that record? We've dumped metric tons of money into development of anti-drone technology over the past 20+ years, with much of it to defend against this exact scenario (protecting a remote outpost against small drone attack). Does that technology not work? Or was it not even in place in this scenario? Why, exactly, do we have outposts with 300+ troops in Jordan? Do the 107mm/122mm/240mm crowd pleasers that oh so frequently at the height of OIF rained down on us in Iraq count? Or does it have to be winged aircraft? I came to the conclusion I would be just as dead no matter what. This doesn't even touch on all those damn mortars. CIWZ (self detonating rounds to minimize downrange collateral damage) or Iron Beam or something in that realm. I did see a report that a friendly UAV was supposed to be inbound about the same time so it may have led to a hesitation to engage. Whether or not it was supposed actually land is another question as don't know if the outpost was set up for larger UAV Ops.
brabus Posted January 29 Posted January 29 12 minutes ago, fire4effect said: Or does it have to be winged aircraft? That’s all the claim has ever applied to. And now the clock has been reset to a couple days. It was inevitable.
ClearedHot Posted January 29 Posted January 29 3 hours ago, Blue said: Didn't we have some long-standing record that US troops had not been attacked from the air since sometime during the Korean War (70 years ago)? Does this latest attack in Jordan end that record? I believe it was phrased "by a foreign Air Force." 3 hours ago, Blue said: We've dumped metric tons of money into development of anti-drone technology over the past 20+ years, with much of it to defend against this exact scenario (protecting a remote outpost against small drone attack). Does that technology not work? Or was it not even in place in this scenario? The tech works, mostly...it can be overwhelmed by a swarm attack. The being said, if you misidentify the incoming drone as one of your own all the Counter-UAS capability in the world doesn't matter. 3 hours ago, Blue said: Why, exactly, do we have outposts with 300+ troops in Jordan? First rule of Fight Club... 2
Danger41 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Casualties ID’d and released by the Army. Specialist Breonna Moffett, 23 Specialist Kennedy Sanders, 24 Sergeant William Rivers, 46 All 3 were Reservists out of Fort Moore, GA. The 2 females (Sanders and Moffett) were Horizontal Construction Engineers and Rivers was an Interior Electrician. Sounds like their sleeping quarters were hit by the drone. 9 1
archer Posted January 30 Posted January 30 18 hours ago, Blue said: Didn't we have some long-standing record that US troops had not been attacked from the air since sometime during the Korean War (70 years ago)? Does this latest attack in Jordan end that record? Nope. September 11, 2001.
nsplayr Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 20 hours ago, Blue said: Why, exactly, do we have outposts with 300+ troops in Jordan? Are you familiar with the region of the world known as "the Middle East?" Always buzzing with nefarious activity, we've fought a war or three over there, you might be able read about them in a book or newspaper or something. RIP to the three FKIA and speedy recovery to the FWIA. Fuck the IRGC and all their shitty friends. Y'all wanna play drone warfare? Fucking SEND IT, rip 2 airburst, 30 second TOF. Edited January 30 by nsplayr 1
ClearedHot Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, nsplayr said: Are you familiar with the region of the world known as "the Middle East?" Always buzzing with nefarious activity, we've fought a war or three over there, you might be able read about them in a book or newspaper or something. RIP to the three FKIA and speedy recovery to the FWIA. Fuck the IRGC and all their shitty friends. Y'all wanna play drone warfare? Fucking SEND IT, rip 2 airburst, 30 second TOF. Until POTUS sends - CEASE FIRE we must remain feckless and limp.
ecugringo Posted January 30 Posted January 30 I read trump made the houthis a terror org. Biden early on took them off but is now adding them back to the list.
FourFans Posted January 30 Posted January 30 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ecugringo said: I read trump made the houthis a terror org. Biden early on took them off but is now adding them back to the list. Weird. Very similar to saying there is no problem at the southern border, and then saying that there is. Trend? Let's just pray that we don't have four more years of this feckless dolt while the world continues to melt down. Edited January 30 by FourFans 1 2
ecugringo Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, FourFans said: Weird. Very similar to saying there is no problem at the southern border, and then saying that there is. Trend? Let's just pray that we don't have four more years of this feckless dolt while the world continues to melt down. Not to derail this but if trump is getting 55% of the primary votes in states…,what will the other 45% vote for if they are anti trump? SC will be interesting to see how Haley does but I’d guess a sizeable amount don’t vote for trump and we have weekend at bidens to deal with again.
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