Good Riddance, Mark Milley.

[Biff_T]

[LookieRookie]

52 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

How does it justify?  Do you understand what Milley did?  They are not charging him for some contrived business records violation.  The dude was talking to China without the knowledge of the Commander in Chief (he informed the White House AFTER the call).  His statement to congress can be viewed here Interesting Pelosi stuck her nose in the process as well.

He tap dances around the fact that he required pentagon officials to confirm any potus or secdef orders through him even though he has no command authority.

[icohftb]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

How does it justify?  Do you understand what Milley did?  They are not charging him for some contrived business records violation.  The dude was talking to China without the knowledge of the Commander in Chief (he informed the White House AFTER the call).  His statement to congress can be viewed here Interesting Pelosi stuck her nose in the process as well.

Was unaware of the specifics. 

Question - are all conversations by the CJCS with a foreign military always pre-authorized? 

[Smokin]

If they reduce his rank (and pay?) it will be interesting to see if that holds up with the pardon.  Glad they pulled his clearance, I'm sure that reduces his cushy consulting jobs.

 

I'd imagine that most are not pre-authorized, but most would be more in their normal line of work, discussing exercises and such, not discussing the current internal politics of their own country.  To put it in perspective, if you're a capt on the schedule to fly the next day with the wing king, you don't need to go through your SQ/CC to the OG/CC to talk to the WG/CC about the flight.  But if you have something that is not a routine issue, you go through your chain.

[arg]

42 minutes ago, Smokin said:

If they reduce his rank (and pay?) it will be interesting to see if that holds up with the pardon.  Glad they pulled his clearance, I'm sure that reduces his cushy consulting jobs.

 

I'd imagine that most are not pre-authorized, but most would be more in their normal line of work, discussing exercises and such, not discussing the current internal politics of their own country.  To put it in perspective, if you're a capt on the schedule to fly the next day with the wing king, you don't need to go through your SQ/CC to the OG/CC to talk to the WG/CC about the flight.  But if you have something that is not a routine issue, you go through your chain.

Wonder how that would affect his retirement. I not real smart on this but I think some Flag officers retire and get a pay raise.

[brabus]

Treason should not be pardonable (obviously assuming due process given and found guilty in trial). If all accounts are true, Milley should be swinging from a rope, not just retiring with lower rank/pay. We’ve completely gone soft on so many things, and treason is maybe the most egregious one of them. 

Edited Thursday at 03:05 AM by brabus

[nsplayr]

5 minutes ago, brabus said:

Treason should not be pardonable (obviously assuming due process given and found guilty in trial).

Glad we agree! Those convicted of, sentenced for, and in prison for treasonous crimes should probably not be pardoned by the President.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/proud-boys-leader-sentenced-22-years-prison-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related

[brabus]

20 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Glad we agree! Those convicted of, sentenced for, and in prison for treasonous crimes should probably not be pardoned by the President.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/proud-boys-leader-sentenced-22-years-prison-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related

We do agree, but it’s weird you put a link completely irrelevant to the topic of treason and associated punishment, considering that guy (while perhaps a POS as a general statement) didn’t do that.

[nsplayr]

6 minutes ago, brabus said:

We do agree, but it’s weird you put a link completely irrelevant to the topic of treason and associated punishment, considering that guy (while perhaps a POS as a general statement) didn’t do that.

I mean, seditious conspiracy is a treasonous crime. If Milley (or anyone else!) is charged with, convicted of, and put in prison for such a crime, I would support him staying there rather than benefiting from a Presidential pardon.

[brabus]

I’ll summarize this: J6 is all around a horrendous govt subversion slathered in heavy political weaponization of multiple agencies, tied up in a messy, and now widely exposed, scheme to target political opponents of the govt. This guy wasn’t even there. The amount of bold face lies spread about J6 by the MSM and govt officials/congressman, and the related BS charges/sentences that abound, should infuriate all Americans. Is everyone involved completely innocent, nope. Did people do dumb shit and deserve some punishment, yes.  But the overarching theme is gross trampling of rights with zero fucks given for the truth or reasonable application of law.

I understand you likely disagree with this assessment and that’s your prerogative. But based on this, I do not believe the guy you linked above committed treason, nor do I think any amount of what he did equals a sitting 4 star giving our #1 enemy a heads up on any moves the administration is about to execute/highly considering executing. This could rabbit hole into a lengthy discussion, but I don’t think anyone is interested in that, at least in this thread, so that’s my last piece regarding this guy vs. Milley. Back to Milley specifically…

Edited Thursday at 11:12 PM by brabus

[Lord Ratner]

It's already a huge stretch to call anything  related to J6 treason. No one was working for a foreign entity against our government, and no one was trying to replace one form of government with another. In fact the people involved (wrongly) believed they were defending our system and the integrity of our elections. The intent is a vital distinction.

 

That doesn't mean it was rational or acceptable. It was a riot, and riots are almost always bad. This one certainly was. But that's not treason. 

[AC&W]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

I’ll summarize this: J6 is all around a horrendous govt subversion slathered in heavy political weaponization of multiple agencies, tied up in a messy, and now widely exposed, scheme to target political opponents of the govt.

When I began reading your post I thought you were referring to J6 of the Joint Staff and wondering what I was missing.

[tac airlifter]

Plot twist- the deep state isn't OGA or J2, or 3, or 35 or 5..... it's the J6!  The one nobody ever expected!

🥃

[ViperMan]

January 6th was a block party that got out of control.

If you want to see an *actual* insurrection, you can look at the summer of 2020 when numerous democratic governments all but sanctioned mob violence in the name of social justice.

[LiquidSky]

16 hours ago, brabus said:

I understand you likely disagree with this assessment and that’s your prerogative. But based on this, I do not believe the guy you linked above committed treason, 

Unfortunately for you a jury of his peers found him guilty of seditious-conspiracy. Not msm nor a democratic agenda, nor a political hit squad, or whatever excuse you care to choose. It was a jury of his peers as laid out as one of the fundamental tenants of this country that decided he was in fact guilty.

And that is a fact.

[LiquidSky]

On 1/29/2025 at 5:23 PM, icohftb said:

Was unaware of the specifics. 

Question - are all conversations by the CJCS with a foreign military always pre-authorized? 

This is the important question. And I'm guessing the answer is no.

Can you imagine calling your boss to get permission to do your job literally everytime you show up to work to do your job? I'd also be willing to bet there was no order to do so.

[uninformed]

Liquid, can YOU imagine calling a foreign military and telling them to ignore your boss (who happens to be the President).  Milley's job was to advise the president, not undercut him.  It's strange you'd condone this behavior.  Seems the left would be outraged when the military tries to circumvent the Constitution by bypassing civilian control of the military.  Strange times we're living in, indeed.

[ViperMan]

8 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

Unfortunately for you a jury of his peers found him guilty of seditious-conspiracy. Not msm nor a democratic agenda, nor a political hit squad, or whatever excuse you care to choose. It was a jury of his peers as laid out as one of the fundamental tenants of this country that decided he was in fact guilty.

And that is a fact.

If you're basing your entire opinion of anything based on the fact that a "jury of his peers found him guilty," I know two things about you. You've never sat on a court martial or a jury, and two, you have very little practical knowledge of how the justice system works. If you had you would understand that many things - facts, relevant facts - are withheld from the jury. I know this - I learned this - because I once was part of the jury on a court martial in which the member was found guilty, and only after we rendered our verdict and sentence recommendation, were we allowed to be made aware of things which the defense and the prosecution argued about allowing us to know. Why does this matter? Well, we may have still found the member guilty, but I believe the punishment we meted out would have been significantly moderated.

I hope you're never falsely accused of a crime. I hope you're never up against a DA or prosecutor that has an ax to grind. I hope that you're never in the wrong place at the wrong time or in the wrong circumstances. If you are, and you think that everything will be ok because the jury will just magically get it right since it's part of our constitutionally guaranteed set of rights, you had better reinterpret your threat environment, because juries absolutely can and do get it wrong. All. The. Time. Yes, a jury may have found him guilty. That is a fact. Whether or not he actually is guilty of the crime he was charged with is a separate question.

[Boomer6]

10 hours ago, LiquidSky said:

Unfortunately for you a jury of his peers found him guilty of seditious-conspiracy. Not msm nor a democratic agenda, nor a political hit squad, or whatever excuse you care to choose. It was a jury of his peers as laid out as one of the fundamental tenants of this country that decided he was in fact guilty.

And that is a fact.

 

Believe it or not sedition and treason are two separate words.

Also, words mean things. If I recall the president can pardon the former but not the latter.

So, the point seems moot.

Edited yesterday at 02:02 AM by Boomer6

[nsplayr]

18 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

If I recall the president can pardon the former but not the latter.

This is not the case, the Prewident’s pardon power is nearly absolute.

https://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/presidential-pardons-under-article-ii.html
 

The very first presidential pardons, issued by George Washington, were to men sentenced to death for their part in the Whiskey Rebellion, which as you can imagine by the name, involved treasonous crimes.

Edited 11 hours ago by nsplayr

[Boomer6]

Sure as shit I was wrong. The vote requiring Senate approval to pardon treason failed at the Constitution Convention.

However, the point is still moot. The retard in question wasnt charged with treason. Plenty of Americans don't agree with the president's power to pardon. Luckily those ppl didn't have a hand in forming the Constitution.

[ClearedHot]

6 hours ago, nsplayr said:

This is not the case, thr Prewident’s pardon power is nearly absolute.

Ummm not really. 

For FEDERAL crimes perhaps, but not state crimes, which is why the liberal NY establishment contrived a case stacking crimes, after the statue of limitation had expired, for a crime that no one had ever been charged with, in order to weaponize the system against Trump and prevent a self-pardon if re-elected. 

For the record, I am NOT in favor of self-pardons.  However, I am diametrically opposed to EITHER side weaponizing the system to take out a political opponent.  If you think the NY case was anything than that, then I have a direct to the Raptor assignment waiting for you after you UAS tour...

[nsplayr]

9 hours ago, ClearedHot said:

Ummm not really. 

Boomer6 had speculated the president couldn’t pardon for the crime of treason, which is inaccurate. That’s what I was pointing out. For federal crimes yes, that’s what was being discussed; state crimes are separate.

I too am not a fan of all most of these pardons related to the President, his family, and his direct interests.

Edited 11 hours ago by nsplayr

[disgruntledemployee]

4 hours ago, nsplayr said:

Boomer6 had speculated the prewident couldn’t pardon for the crime of treason, which is inaccurate. That’s what I was pointing out. For federal crimes yes, that’s what was being discussed; state crimes are separate.

I too am not a fan of all most of these pardons related to the Prewident, his family, and his direct interests.

FIFY.  I like it your new word.