Good Riddance, Mark Milley.

[Biff_T]

[LookieRookie]

52 minutes ago, ClearedHot said:

How does it justify?  Do you understand what Milley did?  They are not charging him for some contrived business records violation.  The dude was talking to China without the knowledge of the Commander in Chief (he informed the White House AFTER the call).  His statement to congress can be viewed here Interesting Pelosi stuck her nose in the process as well.

He tap dances around the fact that he required pentagon officials to confirm any potus or secdef orders through him even though he has no command authority.

[icohftb]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

How does it justify?  Do you understand what Milley did?  They are not charging him for some contrived business records violation.  The dude was talking to China without the knowledge of the Commander in Chief (he informed the White House AFTER the call).  His statement to congress can be viewed here Interesting Pelosi stuck her nose in the process as well.

Was unaware of the specifics. 

Question - are all conversations by the CJCS with a foreign military always pre-authorized? 

[Smokin]

If they reduce his rank (and pay?) it will be interesting to see if that holds up with the pardon.  Glad they pulled his clearance, I'm sure that reduces his cushy consulting jobs.

 

I'd imagine that most are not pre-authorized, but most would be more in their normal line of work, discussing exercises and such, not discussing the current internal politics of their own country.  To put it in perspective, if you're a capt on the schedule to fly the next day with the wing king, you don't need to go through your SQ/CC to the OG/CC to talk to the WG/CC about the flight.  But if you have something that is not a routine issue, you go through your chain.

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42 minutes ago, Smokin said:

If they reduce his rank (and pay?) it will be interesting to see if that holds up with the pardon.  Glad they pulled his clearance, I'm sure that reduces his cushy consulting jobs.

 

I'd imagine that most are not pre-authorized, but most would be more in their normal line of work, discussing exercises and such, not discussing the current internal politics of their own country.  To put it in perspective, if you're a capt on the schedule to fly the next day with the wing king, you don't need to go through your SQ/CC to the OG/CC to talk to the WG/CC about the flight.  But if you have something that is not a routine issue, you go through your chain.

Wonder how that would affect his retirement. I not real smart on this but I think some Flag officers retire and get a pay raise.

[brabus]

Treason should not be pardonable (obviously assuming due process given and found guilty in trial). If all accounts are true, Milley should be swinging from a rope, not just retiring with lower rank/pay. We’ve completely gone soft on so many things, and treason is maybe the most egregious one of them. 

Edited 23 hours ago by brabus

[nsplayr]

5 minutes ago, brabus said:

Treason should not be pardonable (obviously assuming due process given and found guilty in trial).

Glad we agree! Those convicted of, sentenced for, and in prison for treasonous crimes should probably not be pardoned by the President.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/proud-boys-leader-sentenced-22-years-prison-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related

[brabus]

20 minutes ago, nsplayr said:

Glad we agree! Those convicted of, sentenced for, and in prison for treasonous crimes should probably not be pardoned by the President.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/proud-boys-leader-sentenced-22-years-prison-seditious-conspiracy-and-other-charges-related

We do agree, but it’s weird you put a link completely irrelevant to the topic of treason and associated punishment, considering that guy (while perhaps a POS as a general statement) didn’t do that.

[nsplayr]

6 minutes ago, brabus said:

We do agree, but it’s weird you put a link completely irrelevant to the topic of treason and associated punishment, considering that guy (while perhaps a POS as a general statement) didn’t do that.

I mean, seditious conspiracy is a treasonous crime. If Milley (or anyone else!) is charged with, convicted of, and put in prison for such a crime, I would support him staying there rather than benefiting from a Presidential pardon.

[brabus]

I’ll summarize this: J6 is all around a horrendous govt subversion slathered in heavy political weaponization of multiple agencies, tied up in a messy, and now widely exposed, scheme to target political opponents of the govt. This guy wasn’t even there. The amount of bold face lies spread about J6 by the MSM and govt officials/congressman, and the related BS charges/sentences that abound, should infuriate all Americans. Is everyone involved completely innocent, nope. Did people do dumb shit and deserve some punishment, yes.  But the overarching theme is gross trampling of rights with zero fucks given for the truth or reasonable application of law.

I understand you likely disagree with this assessment and that’s your prerogative. But based on this, I do not believe the guy you linked above committed treason, nor do I think any amount of what he did equals a sitting 4 star giving our #1 enemy a heads up on any moves the administration is about to execute/highly considering executing. This could rabbit hole into a lengthy discussion, but I don’t think anyone is interested in that, at least in this thread, so that’s my last piece regarding this guy vs. Milley. Back to Milley specifically…

Edited 3 hours ago by brabus

[Lord Ratner]

It's already a huge stretch to call anything  related to J6 treason. No one was working for a foreign entity against our government, and no one was trying to replace one form of government with another. In fact the people involved (wrongly) believed they were defending our system and the integrity of our elections. The intent is a vital distinction.

 

That doesn't mean it was rational or acceptable. It was a riot, and riots are almost always bad. This one certainly was. But that's not treason. 

[AC&W]

2 hours ago, brabus said:

I’ll summarize this: J6 is all around a horrendous govt subversion slathered in heavy political weaponization of multiple agencies, tied up in a messy, and now widely exposed, scheme to target political opponents of the govt.

When I began reading your post I thought you were referring to J6 of the Joint Staff and wondering what I was missing.

[tac airlifter]

Plot twist- the deep state isn't OGA or J2, or 3, or 35 or 5..... it's the J6!  The one nobody ever expected!

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