Crash at Kirtland/ABQ 28 May 24

[gearhog]

Hope they got out.

What aircraft?

EDIT: Looks like they did. "Pilot is being attended to."

https://www.facebook.com/KOBTV/videos/2425143644345871

Edited May 28 by gearhog

[wikz]

looks like a 35. hopefully the pilots OK.

[DirkDiggler]

On first glance wreckage didn’t look like anything assigned to the 58 SOW.  Glad the guy got out.

[StoleIt]

Glad the pilot got out. And that's definitely an F-35.

[Swizzle]

F-35B

[Swizzle]

https://theaviationist.com/2024/05/28/f-35-crashes-near-albuquerque-new-mexico/

[Swizzle]

 

[McJay Pilot]

It was wild looking out the briefing room windows and seeing the smoke plume. Made for an interesting day prior brief though!

[McJay Pilot]

News is saying it was a tail on its way from factory to be delivered and it was a contractor pilot. We always picked up our hercs from the factory. Any pointy nose guys care to weigh in?

[Skitzo]

News is saying it was a tail on its way from factory to be delivered and it was a contractor pilot. We always picked up our hercs from the factory. Any pointy nose guys care to weigh in?

Somewhere a GFR is crapping his or her pants.


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[brabus]

2 hours ago, McJay Pilot said:

News is saying it was a tail on its way from factory to be delivered and it was a contractor pilot. We always picked up our hercs from the factory. Any pointy nose guys care to weigh in?

We have the option of getting it ourselves or someone from Fort Worth delivering.

[ClearedHot]

[contraildash]

Wonder if he took off that way or was trying to land that way (after some T/O issue) guess we'll have to wait...

In either case I don't get it. I've seen a few F-35Bs depart various airfields in person (to include ABQ) and their penchant for doing VSTOL takeoffs never make sense to me. Especially at a high/hot airport such as ABQ, even with 2x 10,000+ runways. Curious if it is a TOLD thing or just preference.

[FourFans]

1 hour ago, contraildash said:

Curious if it is a TOLD thing or just preference.

I remember watching Harriers doing partial down vectored takeoffs routinely at Kandahar as well.  Always puzzled me as the airfield should have been plenty long enough.  I would speculate it's a procedural thing.

[brabus]

It’s an approved procedure, but also not required on “standard length” runways. Seen plenty of B model conventional takeoffs during normal ops.

Edited May 30 by brabus

[Lord Ratner]

Leave it to the Jack-of-all-trades Marine Corp to design an MWS that is a plane, a helicopter, and a JDAM all in one unaffordable package. They really are the America's Swiss army knife!

[Swizzle]

Plot thickens...was an AF pilot...

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-pilot-f-35b-crash-kirtland/

Edited May 30 by Swizzle
For DCMA. I like how article says they're qualified in all three variants, but infer the B's STOVL is easy by only flipping a lever in the cockpit. As Emeril would say, "BAAM!" Pretty sure it's not THAT easy.

[Prosuper]

STOVL systems have way too many moving parts, just like helicopters, if one part fails the damn thing crashes. 

[SocialD]

6 hours ago, Swizzle said:

Plot thickens...was an AF pilot...

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-pilot-f-35b-crash-kirtland/

 

If I remember correctly, the one that crashed at NFW was an AF guy as well.  For his sake, hope it's not the same guy.  1 ejection per career is bad enough.  

[BashiChuni]

THE TOLD DOESNT WORK AT ABQ! - every UPT FAIP. 

[StoleIt]

Video of the incident.

My take away, dang, really everything these days is caught on camera. Plan accordingly.

Edited May 30 by StoleIt

[VMFA187]

On 5/28/2024 at 5:11 PM, McJay Pilot said:

News is saying it was a tail on its way from factory to be delivered and it was a contractor pilot. We always picked up our hercs from the factory. Any pointy nose guys care to weigh in?

We do some of the delivery pilots periodic training and I've heard some of the other CIPs mention occasionally that there was quite a bit of color in the events.  

[Danger41]

Minor thread derail here but for Navy carrier based airplanes, is there something in the TO's that state you have to do every landing like you're attacking the runway? Or is it just a "practice like you play" kind of thing how you would land on the carrier?

[brabus]

A retired hornet bro referencing Delta training, “flaring is so stupid.” From what my navy friends have said, it’s SOP to set a decent rate (700 FPM?) and ride it in, every time. It does make sense to not have two different landing procedures based on carrier vs. no carrier - guys would probably fuck up and accidentally flare at the boat and miss the wire…and then their entire career is over and they might as well kill themselves because you know, admin is more important than combat capability! #gONaVy!

[Swizzle]

10 hours ago, brabus said:

A retired hornet bro referencing Delta training, “flaring is so stupid. // // #gONaVy!

Easy to say flaring is stupid when your landing gear struts are built like artillery barrels. 

Also in a normal approach to landing, or come-down, does that mean Navy bro's lay some rigorous pipe atop their shipmates aboard?