Trump's Cabinet

[Lord Ratner]

You guys are arguing over whether or not she's a real Democrat or Republican as though we aren't in the middle of another generational transformation of the parties. There is no party ideology right now. Obama was the death of the Kennedy-to-Clinton Democratic party and Trump was the death of the Nixon-to-W.Bush Republican party. 

 

We have no idea what the next versions of the parties will look like, so how can we know who is a "real" member? 

[arg]

This would have been an epic choice for press secretary

[brabus]

9 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

We have no idea what the next versions of the parties will look like, so how can we know who is a "real" member? 

That’s an interesting perspective, can’t say I disagree. We have to see how it all settles out, but I think we may be seeing a significant shift where the Republicans and Dems have switched places as “the party of the people” and “the party of the elite ruling class, billionaires, etc.” The GOP will really ride this rocket ship if they’re successful (and this will take voters doing their part) at flushing the establishment Rs from their ranks. 

[Biff_T]

22 hours ago, arg said:

 

Dibs

[SurelySerious]

Dibs

He’s back.

[skybert]

19 hours ago, Biff_T said:

Dibs

My hero

[Majestik Møøse]

Turns out Gaetz is a fuckhead, confirmed. Perhaps congress should be drug tested more than once/never.

[brabus]

4 hours ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Turns out Gaetz is a fuckhead, confirmed. Perhaps congress should be drug tested more than once/never.

The report doesn’t give any evidence, though they like to say “there’s lots of evidence” in it (without sharing). There’s so much evidence that the DOJ investigated him and did not charge him. The guy is as hated as Trump by the weaponized DOJ, and yet zero charges. So that only says one thing: there’s nothing on him, at least legally. Falsehoods have also already been proven, and on top of that it’s clearly a partisan attack (where are all the other ethics reports on everyone else in congress? I’ll hold my breath). This ethics report is bullshit and has zero credibility. I say all this as someone who isn’t sad he’s out of congress, but I will call a spade a spade.

Edited December 24, 2024 by brabus

[Lord Ratner]

7 minutes ago, brabus said:

The report doesn’t give any evidence, though they like to say “there’s lots of evidence” in it (without sharing). There’s so much evidence that the DOJ investigated him and did not charge him. The guy is as hated as Trump by the weaponized DOJ, and yet zero charges. So that only says one thing: there’s nothing on him, at least legally. Falsehoods have also already been proven, and on top of that it’s clearly a partisan attack (where are all the other ethics reports on everyone else in congress? I’ll hold my breath). This ethics report is bullshit and has zero credibility. I say all this as someone who isn’t sad he’s out of congress, but I will call a spade a spade.

Yup. I'd love to see if they were using the same batshit-crazy witness that the DOJ dismissed. They almost certainly are, and that guy is literally in jail. 

But it's not all bullshit. He was clearly living the sex-drugs-and-rock-and-roll lifestyle, which while legal, is probably not how he portrayed himself to his constituents. And even though he wasn't the perpetrator, sex parties are notorious for hiring prostitutes to balance out the male-to-female ratio. 

 

He's gross, but not that gross, and probably not a child rapist. 

[Majestik Møøse]

So a fuckhead, got it. Seriously why would anyone give a shit about that guy. Clearly the majority of it is true or he wouldn’t have been asked to withdraw himself from consideration.

[brabus]

1 hour ago, Majestik Møøse said:

why would anyone give a shit about that guy.

I don’t give a shit about him personally, but I do give a shit about the one-sided witch hunts. The “uniparty” has to die, and shit like this is the hallmark of said group.

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, Majestik Møøse said:

So a fuckhead, got it. Seriously why would anyone give a shit about that guy. Clearly the majority of it is true or he wouldn’t have been asked to withdraw himself from consideration.

Well, first off, I didn't really care. I think he was a bad choice and I think he was a bad congressman. 

 

But... What's this "majority of" nonsense? 

 

You've been accused of drinking alcohol, fucking women, gambling, saying mean things, attending sex parties, and raping a minor.

 

Sure... You didn't rape a minor, but you still did the majority of those things... Right? 

 

Sorry bud, the majority of those things aren't illegal. And if he has never been accused of the crime of sex with a minor, no one would have ever cared. It's the ultimate bait-and-switch. 

[ClearedHot]

14 hours ago, Lord Ratner said:

Yup. I'd love to see if they were using the same batshit-crazy witness that the DOJ dismissed. They almost certainly are, and that guy is literally in jail. 

But it's not all bullshit. He was clearly living the sex-drugs-and-rock-and-roll lifestyle, which while legal, is probably not how he portrayed himself to his constituents. And even though he wasn't the perpetrator, sex parties are notorious for hiring prostitutes to balance out the male-to-female ratio. 

 

He's gross, but not that gross, and probably not a child rapist. 

I live in his district and while he did not portray himself that way others certainly did.  For years the DNC has had his DUI booking picture on a billboard over in PCola.  Not a fan of the drugs but hey many bang who you want as long as she isn't being sex trafficked or a minor.  The part about him that always got me was his payback antics in the house that made the GOP look like douche nozzles that couldn't elect a speaker.  Out of spite for one man (McCarthy), Gaetz stopped Congress at a time when we needed some steady leadership.

He will have his own show, would be cool if it was on the same network as the crying former congressman, they could sit across the table roasting each other.

[Majestik Møøse]

A majority of these things are illegal. The findings from the 50/50 bipartisan ethics committee are below. The dissent wasn’t about the findings, it was only about whether or not the report should be released. Gaetz is a douche and a discredit to the United States, Florida, and the Republican Party. Fuck him.

https://ethics.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Committee-Report.pdf

In sum, the Committee found substantial evidence of the following:

• From at least 2017 to 2020, Representative Gaetz regularly paid women for engaging in sexual activity with him.

• In 2017, Representative Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with a 17-year-old girl.

• During the period 2017 to 2019, Representative Gaetz used or possessed illegal drugs, including cocaine and ecstasy, on multiple occasions.

• Representative Gaetz accepted gifts, including transportation and lodging in connection with a 2018 trip to the Bahamas, in excess of permissible amounts.

• In 2018, Representative Gaetz arranged for his Chief of Staff to assist a woman with whom he engaged in sexual activity in obtaining a passport, falsely indicating to the U.S. Department of State that she was a constituent.

• Representative Gaetz knowingly and willfully sought to impede and obstruct the Committee’s investigation of his conduct.

• Representative Gaetz has acted in a manner that reflects discreditably upon the House.

 

 

[Majestik Møøse]

Also, apparently there are more unreleased ethic reports across both parties. Release them and cast them all into the abyss. It’s not like there’s a shortage of politicians to replace them.

[Lawman]

I live in his district and while he did not portray himself that way others certainly did.  For years the DNC has had his DUI booking picture on a billboard over in PCola.  Not a fan of the drugs but hey many bang who you want as long as she isn't being sex trafficked or a minor.  The part about him that always got me was his payback antics in the house that made the GOP look like douche nozzles that couldn't elect a speaker.  Out of spite for one man (McCarthy), Gaetz stopped Congress at a time when we needed some steady leadership.
He will have his own show, would be cool if it was on the same network as the crying former congressman, they could sit across the table roasting each other.

A reminder to the room full of people with security clearances that are required to keep their jobs…

That dipstick went into a SCIF live streaming from his cellphone to make political points.

He’s a moron and should be discarded on the side of highway 77 next to the puddle of vomit and possum shit. The number of people standing up to defend him is absurd.


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[brabus]

1 hour ago, Majestik Møøse said:

apparently there are more unreleased ethic reports across both parties. Release them and cast them all into the abyss. It’s not like there’s a shortage of politicians to replace them.

Exactly, that’s the rub. Gaetz sucks, but this whole thing is a bait and switch scam in a long line of one-sided, politically targeted attacks with motives that have nothing to do with the “moral high ground” they claim to be about. End that bullshit and equally apply things like this across the entire lot of Congress - only then will there will be credibility and meaning to them. I simply DGAF about what some ass clown committee says when the likes of Pelosi, McConnell, the squad, etc. are running around Congress 

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Edited December 24, 2024 by brabus

[Lord Ratner]

1 hour ago, Lawman said:

He’s a moron and should be discarded on the side of highway 77 next to the puddle of vomit and possum shit. The number of people standing up to defend him is absurd.

He is absolutely a moron and I absolutely hope he's out of politics. But I also believe in the rule of law, and the rights of voters to choose their representation. 

 

So until he is proven to be guilty in accordance with his rights of due process under our constitution, I will "defend" him. 

 

The last thing we need is two parties with blatant disrespect for our foundational legal theories. Gaetz sucks so hard that he even looks like a shitty person. The most punchable face in Washington. But that's irrelevant. How many times are Democrats going to falsely accuse Republicans of something before conservatives stop playing along with this one-sided bullshit game?

Edited December 24, 2024 by Lord Ratner

[Lawman]

He is absolutely a moron and I absolutely hope he's out of politics. But I also believe in the rule of law, and the rights of voters to choose their representation. 
 
So until he is proven to be guilty in accordance with his rights of due process under our constitution, I will "defend" him. 
 
The last thing we need is two parties with blatant disrespect for our foundational legal theories. Gaetz sucks so hard that he even looks like a shitty person. The most punchable face in Washington. But that's irrelevant. How many times are Democrats going to falsely accuse Republicans of something before conservatives stop playing along with this one-sided bullshit game?

Oh what a crock. We aren’t trying to deny him his constitutional freedom and put him in jail. We’re talking about fitness to serve in office. There is no presumption of innocence in whether or not he’s an asshat and a creeper, that doesn’t take a jury of peers to establish. Bill Clinton is one, I doubt you’d be quick to defend him.

“The voters” sent a crack abdicated mayor back to his office and elected that rube from NY as a congressman that took a year longer to be thrown out of congress once it was evident of what he did because of this “but the other side!” Bullshit. There are plenty of populist idiot groups to be taken advantage of for political position (AoC, Omar, Etc).

Gaetz has a demonstrated history of asshattery. He is unprofessional in every manner and exists for the apathy of his political constituents who either are interested in WWE politics, the advantage of incumbency, and the lack of a viable opposition population to elect somebody worthy of the position.

He should never have been considered by any sane person for the position Trump nominated him for, and the way people lined up to “but the other side!” This is as ridiculous as Trump nominating his Limo Driver to the position only to watch people defend him. This guy is trash and it literally took the ethics report to get him to leave prior to censure because he knows he’s in an indefensible position. In case some people forgot the ethics committee is BIPARTISAN.


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[Majestik Møøse]

2 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

He is absolutely a moron and I absolutely hope he's out of politics. But I also believe in the rule of law, and the rights of voters to choose their representation. 

 

So until he is proven to be guilty in accordance with his rights of due process under our constitution, I will "defend" him. 

 

The last thing we need is two parties with blatant disrespect for our foundational legal theories. Gaetz sucks so hard that he even looks like a shitty person. The most punchable face in Washington. But that's irrelevant. How many times are Democrats going to falsely accuse Republicans of something before conservatives stop playing along with this one-sided bullshit game?

Republicans and Democrats on the ethics committee agree that he did everything listed above. The only dissent was over releasing the report. Probably due to it being unprecedented…but unprecedented because it opens up a Pandora’s Box of what other investigative findings have there been.

[emphasis mine]

VIII. VIEWS OF CHAIRMAN MICHAEL GUEST ON BEHALF OF THE DISSENTING COMMITTEE MEMBERS

“I write on behalf of the members of the committee who do not support the release of the report regarding former Representative Matt Gaetz. We believe and remain steadfast in the position that the House Committee on Ethics lost jurisdiction to release to the public any substantive work product regarding Mr. Gaetz after his resignation from the House on November 14, 2024. While we do not challenge the Committee’s findings, we take great exception that the majority deviated from the Committee’s well-established standards and voted to release a report on an individual no longer under the Committee’s jurisdiction, an action the Committee has not taken since 2006.” [more of the same]

Go read the whole report. What more evidence do you need? Are you a Republican? He’s making you look like shit. You want a court to argue about procedures for a year? Naw man…fuck him. Voters need to see this because douches like him can’t stop lying to gain power, but we all know they’ll just keep doing what they’re told by the media.

[Majestik Møøse]

1 hour ago, ClearedHot said:

I live in his district…

I think we might’ve found NW Florida’s next congressman. I don’t live there, but if I did, I’d vote for a gunship pilot killer patch non-lawyer Wing/CC bro in about 0.69s.

[ClearedHot]

50 minutes ago, Majestik Møøse said:

I think we might’ve found NW Florida’s next congressman. I don’t live there, but if I did, I’d vote for a gunship pilot killer patch non-lawyer Wing/CC bro in about 0.69s.

Much appreciated...I was actually approached by the local paper and a GOP group but I have no interest in playing that game.  If I thought I could make a difference I would consider but the system is so broken. 

I believe Trump endorsed a Navy veteran, I think the son of a local guy who owns several car dealerships (Sansing), is also running and he will have Millions at his disposal.

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, Lawman said:

Oh what a crock.

“The voters” sent a crack abdicated mayor back to his office and elected that rube from NY as a congressman that took a year longer to be thrown out of congress once it was evident of what he did because of this “but the other side!” Bullshit. There are plenty of populist idiot groups to be taken advantage of for political position (AoC, Omar, Etc).

Gaetz has a demonstrated history of asshattery. He is unprofessional in every manner and exists for the apathy of his political constituents who either are interested in WWE politics, the advantage of incumbency, and the lack of a viable opposition population to elect somebody worthy of the position.

He should never have been considered by any sane person for the position Trump nominated him for, and the way people lined up to “but the other side!” This is as ridiculous as Trump nominating his Limo Driver to the position only to watch people defend him. This guy is trash and it literally took the ethics report to get him to leave prior to censure because he knows he’s in an indefensible position. In case some people forgot the ethics committee is BIPARTISAN.


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That's a lot of irrelevant blather. 

 

The voters picked him. He has been convicted of zero crimes. If you're tired of the voters picking lunatics, maybe stop subverting their will. We didn't get Gaetz and Trump in a vacuum. They are responses to a constant attempt to keep their votes from mattering. The Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation. Now we have representation without representation. 

 

If the sitting president wants to nominate him and the Senate chooses to confirm him, that's that. Stopping that process by lying about crimes is the exact antithesis of our system. 

 

Y'all are pretty cavalier with false criminal accusations considering how many examples we have of governments using them to stomp out the opposition. No thanks. One lunatic in Congress or on the cabinet is way better than what happens if the voters feel like more extreme measures are required for their voice to be heard. 

 

No one ever thinks they are part of the problem. You either believe in the system or you don't. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Lord Ratner]

2 hours ago, Majestik Møøse said:

Voters need to see this because douches like him can’t stop lying to gain power, but we all know they’ll just keep doing what they’re told by the media.

But not you, right? You're the smart one who figured it all out. You don't get information from "the media." If only you were in charge, things would be much better...

[Lawman]

That's a lot of irrelevant blather. 
 
The voters picked him. He has been convicted of zero crimes. If you're tired of the voters picking lunatics, maybe stop subverting their will. We didn't get Gaetz and Trump in a vacuum. They are responses to a constant attempt to keep their votes from mattering. The Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation. Now we have representation without representation. 
 
If the sitting president wants to nominate him and the Senate chooses to confirm him, that's that. Stopping that process by lying about crimes is the exact antithesis of our system. 
 
Y'all are pretty cavalier with false criminal accusations considering how many examples we have of governments using them to stomp out the opposition. No thanks. One lunatic in Congress or on the cabinet is way better than what happens if the voters feel like more extreme measures are required for their voice to be heard. 
 
No one ever thinks they are part of the problem. You either believe in the system or you don't.

There is absolutely no LIE about the actions claimed to be committed.

You’re choosing to apply a burden of proof sufficient to criminally convict to a job where no such requirement exists. Voters can choose to send a convicted murder to Congress, Congress is under no such requirement to then seat them. Of course the guy caught with the 17 year olds texts in his phone is being honest… it’s the “Deep State” that’s making shit up.

That’s the entire purpose of the ethics committee, that’s why it’s Bipartisan, and your attempts to say “well if the won’t put him in jail we can’t pass judgement and everything must be a lie” is an excuse to yourself because you’d rather defend an A hole on a favored side. You’d rather stick it to the libs and the establishment or whatever other windmill you want to tilt at than accept the fact that the burden for evidence to go for and achieve conviction is well and above the burden for simply proving somebody is unfit in character to hold high office. I doubt if we saw charges dropped against a sitting democratic senator caught in bribery schemes you would have cared whether or not they were their electorates chosen when a vote came to expel them. I doubt you fought to defend Santos this hard either so why for all the idiocy would lining up behind Gaetz be worthy of any effort.

If you want to play the legal argument of guilty and innocent criminal conviction being the bar to clear I’d recommend you go read Powell vs McCormick first and actually realize that isn’t relevant to whether Congress has to let him continue to serve. The Voters can choose a convicted murderer as their representative, Congress is under no obligation to seat them. The ethics committee had him dead to rights and the republicans on it aren’t denying the evidence they are peeved that releasing this report sets precedent to do it to everybody and they could come under that knife some day.


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