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[disgruntledemployee]

I don't have EMDS (E. Musk Deranged Syndrome), and I think he should stick to cars , but I saw the video and it looks pretty close to a Hitler move.  I bet if any of us did that at work tomorrow, a bunch of us might be out of a job, even if we say, my heart goes out to you.  He's getting roasted for it, which I think is a good thing.  It should remind him to know better, unless of course, he did it intentionally.  And that too is a bad look.  And silencing the critics just makes more noise.

[ViperMan]

I've got some legit questions for the "Elon's a Nazi" crowd:

• What are you concerned he's going to do?
• Is he expressing a desire to ethnically cleanse the country?
• Is the concern here more that he is "signaling" to a certain sub-element of our society? All of the above?

I genuinely want to know. Best I can tell is he is a guy who is building electric cars, rocket ships, brain-body computer interfaces who is also pretty eclectic. I saw plenty of kids like that in public school growing up. They weren't Nazis.

I can "get" that it wasn't a good look, but do any of you hold a serious concern out there that he's going to attempt to reboot the 3rd Reich? What direction are you concerned he's moving in?

Edited Wednesday at 03:21 AM by ViperMan

[HeloDude]

None of this matters because according to the progressives as what they said before this past November 5th, if Trump were to win, then it would be the end to our democracy, since he’s a wannabe dictator, traitor, rapist, etc.  But now that Trump has won, what are these progressives going to do?  Start a revolution?  Get their states to secede?  Move to another country?  If you’re really this concerned, don’t you do something?  Or was all that crap they said before November just BS rhetoric?…which is why I don’t care what they think about Trump, what Elon Musk says or does, whether or not they like Hegseth, on and on.  
 

Progressives only care about their ideology, and that’s it, and that’s all they have.  

[Boomer6]

Half of the country is not made up of progressives. I'd venture to guess a large number of ppl that voted democrat don't see themselves as progressives and don't believe in a far left progressive ideology. There are a lot of ppl in the middle of the political spectrum, some voted dem and some voted GOP.

We as a country need to continue the pendulum swing back from the last 4 years, and we need to find common ground to do that. A dude that is apparently going to be a significant part of the administration throwing up two Nazi salutes does not help that. At best he's a social ra-tard and should hire a better speech coach, worse is that he's trying to troll and is too arrogant to realize this isn't going to help the administration, and at worst he's actually a racist and thinks this is a power move because no one can touch him.

The administration is already going to have an uphill battle enacting conservative policies, especially policies pushed by a polarizing figure like Trump. This kind of distraction, regardless of the reason behind it, isnt going to help this process.

[kaputt]

People are so fucking dumb. Elon is quite obviously throwing his heart to the crowd. He literally says “my heart goes out to you”.
 

Of course most of the people losing their minds over this have only seen a 3 sec gif of it on Reddit. 

[Biff_T]

Elon doesn’t dress well enough to be a NAZI.   

[arg]

I found the official nahtzee indicator chart. Stolelt must be right

Edited Wednesday at 05:43 AM by arg

[GKinnear]

9 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

I don't have EMDS (E. Musk Deranged Syndrome), and I think he should stick to cars , but I saw the video and it looks pretty close to a Hitler move.  I bet if any of us did that at work tomorrow, a bunch of us might be out of a job, even if we say, my heart goes out to you.  He's getting roasted for it, which I think is a good thing.  It should remind him to know better, unless of course, he did it intentionally.  And that too is a bad look.  And silencing the critics just makes more noise.

Anyone who can mentally think Elon's a raging anti-semite / Nazi because of a gesture taken out of context, either wasn't listening or is on the Clayton Bigsby level of bullshit.

 

 

[GKinnear]

12 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

NBC reporting that Hesgeth is a wife beater, per affidavit of SIL.  Former Mrs said nobody speaks for her, no abuse, and to stay the fuck out of her life.  Pop some corn.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/rcna188342

 

The complaint in the report comes from Danielle Dietrich...who is not the sister of Pete's ex-wife.  Danielle is the ex-wife of Pete's brother.

 

It may not matter, but Pete's getting Kavanaugh-ed in the final minute of his confirmation process raises many doubts about the accuracy of the source. Single-source reporting in the intel world sucks unless the source has the street cred to back it up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/senators-received-affidavit-containing-new-allegations-pete-hegseth-de-rcna188342?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=678ff942749f2f0001051b76&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Money quote from the NBC reporting:

"Belated claims by Danielle Dietrich, an anti-Trump far-left Democrat who is divorced from Mr. Hegseth’s brother and never got along with the Hegseth family, do nothing to change that," he said in a statement. 

"After an acrimonious divorce, Ms. Dietrich has had an axe to grind against the entire Hegseth family," he added. "Ms. Dietrich admits that she saw nothing but is now falsely accusing Sam of lying..."

 

Samantha's (actual ex-wife) is getting her lawyer involved...so pop that corn indeed!

Edited Wednesday at 12:37 PM by GKinnear
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[ClearedHot]

On 1/20/2025 at 9:17 PM, Day Man said:

funny you mention WWII...

You were saying?

 

 

 

[kaputt]

I don’t have AOC derangement syndrome, though I do think she should stick to bartending. But I saw the video and it looks pretty close to a Hitler move. If a bunch of us did that at work tomorrow we’d probably be out of a job, even if we did say “we won’t relent” with the gesture. She should know better, unless of course she did it intentionally. 
 

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Turns out that take sounds just as dumb the other way too.

[M2]

Context is important...

At the Presidential Parade at Capital One Arena, Musk gave a speech where he thanked supporters for reelecting Trump and expressed his enthusiasm for the administration's goals.

During his speech, Musk said: "I just want to say thank you for making it happen, thank you." He then pumped his hand against his chest, extended his straightened arm upward toward the crowd, with his fingers outstretched and palm facing downward.

Immediately after, he said, "my heart goes out to you. It's because of you that the future of civilization is assured."



 

[blueingreen]

11 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

Half of the country is not made up of progressives. I'd venture to guess a large number of ppl that voted democrat don't see themselves as progressives and don't believe in a far left progressive ideology. There are a lot of ppl in the middle of the political spectrum, some voted dem and some voted GOP.

We as a country need to continue the pendulum swing back from the last 4 years, and we need to find common ground to do that. A dude that is apparently going to be a significant part of the administration throwing up two Nazi salutes does not help that. At best he's a social ra-tard and should hire a better speech coach, worse is that he's trying to troll and is too arrogant to realize this isn't going to help the administration, and at worst he's actually a racist and thinks this is a power move because no one can touch him.

The administration is already going to have an uphill battle enacting conservative policies, especially policies pushed by a polarizing figure like Trump. This kind of distraction, regardless of the reason behind it, isnt going to help this process.

Genuine question: Does it even matter how Democrat voters self-identify? Their votes were a tacit endorsement of a hyper-progressive regime, so what does that make them? They voted for state-sponsored illegal immigration, proliferation of radical gender & racial ideologies in taxpayer-funded institutions, kneecapping our energy production and manufacturing capacity, DEI foolishness, and countless other short-sighted and destructive policies. 

Watching "conservatives" (what does that even mean? what have they "conserved" in recent memory?) perpetually cede normative, ideological, and political ground to leftists while comforting themselves with the delusional platitude that they have the moral high ground has been pretty sad and frustrating to watch for my short 24 years of life (see attached pic). Maybe I'm too cynical, but "seeking common ground", "bipartisanship", and other similar phrases that evoke ideas of universal harmony just sound like buzzwords from a bygone era. Politics is first and foremost about winning; If you don't win, you can't implement the agenda that people voted for. So now that we've won, let's not get caught up in the obfuscatory pearl-clutching that leftists will be engaging in for the foreseeable future. I hope the incoming administration just focuses on getting shit done. Time will tell, though.

Elon's hand gesture was awkward, but it didn't seem malevolent and it made at least a little bit of sense in the context of saying "my heart goes out to you". He's an autistic South African genius billionaire who wears his heart on his sleeve. I don't think that sleeve also has a swastika on it.

[HeloDude]

13 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

We as a country need to continue the pendulum swing back from the last 4 years, and we need to find common ground to do that. A dude that is apparently going to be a significant part of the administration throwing up two Nazi salutes does not help that. At best he's a social ra-tard and should hire a better speech coach, worse is that he's trying to troll and is too arrogant to realize this isn't going to help the administration, and at worst he's actually a racist and thinks this is a power move because no one can touch him.

Do you really believe Elon Musk is pro-Nazi, a fascist, white supremacist, or anything else the left is trying to make him into?  Just a simple yes or no is all I’m looking for…

[lloyd christmas]

Good lord.  Please stop with this dumb ass nazi talk. 

Edited Wednesday at 05:53 PM by lloyd christmas

[Biff_T]

17 minutes ago, lloyd christmas said:

Good lord.  Please stop with this dumb ass nazi talk. 

This

[Tarawa565]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with this Musk thing. It's in no way comparable to any normal human gesture. If you're in the military, the most support you should offer is, "Yeah, I don't know what he was trying to do but sure looks bad to me. Hope he doesn't do it again." 

Sure, he clearly has some issues - so maybe it's literally just him being on the spectrum. We can still condemn it because, checks notes, not all autistic people are cozy with symbols of far right authoritarianism. Moreover, he wound up saying, "only AfD can save Germany, end of story." The leader of the AfD is a far right politician who wants to "move beyond Germany's shame over Nazi-era atrocities" and whose grandfather was a Nazi judge. And, Musk is also from apartheid South Africa. If it talks like a duck and walks like a duck... (note, not saying he's a literal Nazi, but far-right authoritarianism and anti-immigration etc. are opposed to American ideals)

All that to say, he's at best an idiot and at worst a want-to-be authoritarian. Henry Ford would be proud. Either way, we all support and defend the Constitution, not any one party or any individuals. 

 

[Boomer6]

1 hour ago, blueingreen said:

Maybe I'm too cynical, but "seeking common ground", "bipartisanship", and other similar phrases that evoke ideas of universal harmony just sound like buzzwords from a bygone era. Politics is first and foremost about winning; If you don't win, you can't implement the agenda that people voted for. So now that we've won, let's not get caught up in the obfuscatory pearl-clutching that leftists will be engaging in for the foreseeable future. 

Copy, we disagree and will probably never agree. I think getting a conservative agenda passed and actually executed will require bipartisanship. If the GOP had a super majority that wouldn't necessarily be the case, but they don't.

1 hour ago, HeloDude said:

Do you really believe Elon Musk is pro-Nazi, a fascist, white supremacist, or anything else the left is trying to make him into?  Just a simple yes or no is all I’m looking for…

I don't know if he is a neo-nazi. Yes, I do believe he's created an unneeded distraction for Democrats to rally against. They're going to use this to rally more support to fight against the policies Trump is going to push.

Do you really believe more support for Democrats to fight against Trump policies is helpful to the administration? "They're already going to fight it" is true, but democrats that lean to the center don't need pressure from constituents to stand against these policies in Congress or the Senate.

[kaputt]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills with how incredibly dumb some people are to be falling for this shit. 

[O Face]

[HeloDude]

34 minutes ago, Boomer6 said:

I don't know if he is a neo-nazi. Yes, I do believe he's created an unneeded distraction for Democrats to rally against. They're going to use this to rally more support to fight against the policies Trump is going to push.

You not knowing should mean you don’t believe he is…this is the basic principle of giving someone the benefit of the doubt.  I don’t know whether you beat your spouse or not, but until I have good reason to believe you are, I’m going to reasonably assume you’re not.  Don’t fall for the leftist/media nonsense…this is all they have when they’re losing on the majority of issues. 

Edited Wednesday at 07:59 PM by HeloDude

[uhhello]

Grasping at straws.  Getting more desperate.  

[Boomer6]

36 minutes ago, HeloDude said:

You not knowing should mean you don’t believe he is…this is the basic principle of giving someone the benefit of the doubt.  I don’t know whether you beat your spouse or not, but until I have good reason to believe you are, I’m going to reasonably assume you’re not.  Don’t fall for the leftist/media nonsense…this is all they have when they’re losing on the majority of issues. 

Ah yes, playing mental gymnastics always works out well. That's like using hope as a tactic..

There is no reason to create more political turmoil with something like this. Why give the media more BS to cling to, it's unproductive.

[HeloDude]

Just now, Boomer6 said:

Ah yes, playing mental gymnastics always works out well. That's like using hope as a tactic..

There is no reason to create more political turmoil with something like this. Why give the media more BS to cling to, it's unproductive.

It’s not mental gymnastics at all…unless you’ve never heard of giving someone the benefit of the doubt?

As for the media…the same media that said the Hunter Laptop was Russian disinformation and that Joe Biden was competent?  Here’s a hint for you:  The media is so anti-Trump they’re going to run with anything they can to make Trump/his team look bad, because they’re largely progressive and hate Trump, and when one doesn’t work, they’ll be onto the next one.  Remember the “JD Vance is weird” phase that the media ran on for a short time this past summer?  So why give any of it credibility when it’s nonsense?

[Boomer6]

Copy. We disagree.