USAFA Conscientious Objector

[uhhello]

So enlightened and all knowing.  

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/military-officers-conscientious-objector-status-gaza

https://www.laprogressive.com/defense/military-mindset

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As an active duty service member, I have been told repeatedly that military strength is the only way to counteract the threats we face in the world. But once again we see violence, this time perpetrated by the Israeli government, only leads to death and destruction in an ever growing conflict. Hate begets hate.

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In many ways, it’s thanks to the Air Force Academy that I currently have an anti-war stance. I was given the tools to examine my military service and foreign policy in a couple mundane, core classes: law and ethics, though my ethics course has stuck with me the most, ironically enough. I hated my ethics course because I thought most of it was redundant and self-explanatory: don’t do bad things! I couldn’t understand why people dedicated their lives to it.

 

Edited November 26 by uhhello

[brabus]

Sounds good Joy, please take a trip to Gaza and let us know how it turns out!

[DirkDiggler]

What a crock of shit.

[Biff_T]

Somebody come get their 2Lt.  

[M2]

How "deep in the fight" is she as a grad student at GT?!? 🤬🤬🤬

https://sites.gatech.edu/cereal/people/joy-metzler/

I'm all for granting her wish, after she pays back the $416,000 her USAFA degree cost taxpayers plus the $57,600 worth of monthly stipends she got while at the Zoo, as well as whatever government money has been spent on her graduate degree!

And if there was ever a good argument against beards in uniform, these clowns personify it!

[disgruntledemployee]

Ok, two different things.. tracking now.

For the orphan from China learning engineering, I'm sure the good ol govt can establish an alternate civil service to reap the investment of said 2d Lt along with a loan balance should she not honor that alternate enlistment/commitment.

As for the beards, we all know our idea for beards in the military is modeled after Ramius, right?  He would have looked unwise and silly if he was clean shaven and asking for a Ping.

[Lord Ratner]

This seems very simple. You want conscientious objector status? 

 

No. 

 

What's the next crisis?

[uhhello]

26 minutes ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Ok, two different things.. tracking now.

For the orphan from China learning engineering, I'm sure the good ol govt can establish an alternate civil service to reap the investment of said 2d Lt along with a loan balance should she not honor that alternate enlistment/commitment.

As for the beards, we all know our idea for beards in the military is modeled after Ramius, right?  He would have looked unwise and silly if he was clean shaven and asking for a Ping.

how many pings?

[uhhello]

2 minutes ago, Lord Ratner said:

This seems very simple. You want conscientious objector status? 

 

No. 

 

What's the next crisis?

Yeah right.  I'm guessing her request is approved with zero pushback.  No payback or anything of the like.  Thank you for your 'service' and here's a 100% disability rating as well due to the suffering you endured in your service. 

[Clark Griswold]

Let her go but give her a student loan for the education at the zoo, no veterans benefits.  If you don’t want to serve because of your conscience fine but you can’t expect mercy on one hand and then no consequences on the other.  Everything has a price.

[SurelySerious]

how many pings?

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/One-Ping-Only-Hunt-For-Red-October.gif

[General Chang]

She had a change in heart during her education period.  It happens.  Cut bait and call it a day, you whiners.  We waste FAR more money as a country on FAR more pits.  Besides, would you want her on your wing?  NO, OF COURSE NOT!  Just let her go and thank her for her service.  Next!

[M2]

3 hours ago, disgruntledemployee said:

Ok, two different things.. tracking now.

For the orphan from China learning engineering, I'm sure the good ol govt can establish an alternate civil service to reap the investment of said 2d Lt along with a loan balance should she not honor that alternate enlistment/commitment.

As for the beards, we all know our idea for beards in the military is modeled after Ramius, right?  He would have looked unwise and silly if he was clean shaven and asking for a Ping.

Yeah, a Soviet submarine commander with a Scottish accent and a bad toupee!  

[gearhog]

Mad because progressive libs are ruining the AF,

Mad because progressive libs are leaving the AF.

[Stoker]

It seems primarily like her problem with serving is the Israel-Hamas conflcit... If your opposition to war is based on objections to a particular war, congratulations! You aren't a conscientious objector. Just another idiot who eats up Russian information warfare. Here's an idea - if you ever notice that the cause/belief/conspiracy you've recently decided to follow is something that would get an FSB officer promoted for spreading, reconsider your cause/belief/conspiracy.

I'm also not impressed by anyone who sees what our enemies choose to do to those who cross them, and decides, "Yes, I will give those bad people a monopoly of violence against myself and my loved ones."

[FourFans]

[Clark Griswold]

She had a change in heart during her education period.  It happens.  Cut bait and call it a day, you whiners.  We waste FAR more money as a country on FAR more pits.  Besides, would you want her on your wing?  NO, OF COURSE NOT!  Just let her go and thank her for her service.  Next!

Concur but she’s gotta write a check for that education


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[Sua Sponte]

Let her out, DFAS will send her a big bill to pay for that aero degree.

[brabus]

She effectively has grifted the taxpayer. I hope she gets out and incurs a half mil in debt - sucks to suck.  

[HeloDude]

Maybe this is a way for pilots to get out of their commitments early?

[Boomer6]

Not sure it's a great way for pilots to get out early. I saw a dude wait until after dropping a viper to tell his flt/cc he was a conscientious objector, so they sent him to tankers. He's apparently fine with enabling everyone else to kill, as long as he's not the one doing it.

[BFM this]

“It’s not common knowledge,” said Metzler. “You don’t want to advertise to the people that are working for you that there’s a legal way for you to break your contract if you start to feel weird feelings.”

ADSC? Commitment?  Service?  …I think I’m having “weird feelings”.

[brabus]

I amend my previous statement, I’m willing to also offer her to serve the remainder of her commitment as a full time piss test monitor. All day, every day for the next 4-6 years. Or get out and incur 500M debt - her choice. 

[dream big]

Good riddance, let’s be honest, she’s not the type of officer you would want in your units anyways. 

[ConfidentlyIncorrect]

12 hours ago, brabus said:

I amend my previous statement, I’m willing to also offer her to serve the remainder of her commitment as a full time piss test monitor. All day, every day for the next 4-6 years. Or get out and incur 500M debt - her choice. 

500M hog watcher is a crazy job offer. I'd be in for 1/4 of that as long as I never have to disclose what I do.