SurelySerious Posted January 7 Posted January 7 I don't think it's on pause, I think they just moved production to china..Too many acquisition programs functioning at the same time, clearly their bid protest program is malfunctioning. Side note continuing China derail: Dr. Evil must be in charge of acquisitions with their order for One Million Shitheed drones.
Lawman Posted January 7 Posted January 7 The Army recently sent a bunch of people from OPMD (manning and personnel assignments design) to work with Marine CV units as they figure out what the first V-280 units are gonna look like…. The resulting impressions were not liked by leadership.I give Valor until FY28 before it’s cancelled. The Army wants Ferrari performance but a Toyota maintenance footprint and they are quickly finding out that isn’t possible.Defiant was even more of an insane overreach. It’s as big if not bigger than a 47 and you can’t physically access whole portions of it without special cranes and catwalks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
M2 Posted January 7 Posted January 7 The most accurate documentary on the DoD acquisition system ever made!! 1 1
Clark Griswold Posted Wednesday at 01:24 AM Posted Wednesday at 01:24 AM (edited) 16 hours ago, Lawman said: The Army recently sent a bunch of people from OPMD (manning and personnel assignments design) to work with Marine CV units as they figure out what the first V-280 units are gonna look like…. The resulting impressions were not liked by leadership. I give Valor until FY28 before it’s cancelled. The Army wants Ferrari performance but a Toyota maintenance footprint and they are quickly finding out that isn’t possible. Defiant was even more of an insane overreach. It’s as big if not bigger than a 47 and you can’t physically access whole portions of it without special cranes and catwalks. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They even pitched a quad tilt rotor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Boeing_Quad_TiltRotor This thing if ever built would have made the Space Shuttle seem reliable and easy to maintain I bet Edited Wednesday at 01:25 AM by Clark Griswold 1
busdriver Posted Wednesday at 02:01 AM Posted Wednesday at 02:01 AM 16 hours ago, Lawman said: Defiant was even more of an insane overreach. It’s as big if not bigger than a 47 and you can’t physically access whole portions of it without special cranes and catwalks. It requires a B-Stand to access some stuff. And its a lot taller than a 60. I'm not slinging hate at you, just observing the inherent perspective difference. Even with the guy that hangs out on an AF forum.
Lawman Posted Wednesday at 08:23 AM Posted Wednesday at 08:23 AM It requires a B-Stand to access some stuff. And its a lot taller than a 60. I'm not slinging hate at you, just observing the inherent perspective difference. Even with the guy that hangs out on an AF forum.That’s why it’s not for us.The Army needs to stop speaking out of both sides of its mouth on its expectations. We can’t continue to chant “further & faster!” while we simultaneously try to treat our aviation like tractors. If it can’t live in the dirt for prolonged periods of time we can’t use it. It’s not a we wouldn’t like it, it’s that we are suspect to the ground guys before we ever ask for money and we already spend too much for them. If it can’t live at painted rocks in NTC it can’t be what we buy. Same reason Comanche was a pipe dream. Like I said I think it’s cancelled before it reaches first unit increment, and all the tech we developed for it and for FVL-Heavy (the new one starting now) end up going into 47X and 60Z…. And FY31 you see the 64F make its first flights.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
busdriver Posted Wednesday at 02:13 PM Posted Wednesday at 02:13 PM 5 hours ago, Lawman said: That’s why it’s not for us. Understood. I thought your additional perspective would be useful for the rest of us. There's so much in maintaining big AF aircraft, that the giant gap between what is just normal or annoying to an C-130 maintainer turned CV-22 maintainer, might be stopping the rotation of the earth level to an Army 60 crew chief.
Lawman Posted Wednesday at 03:46 PM Posted Wednesday at 03:46 PM Understood. I thought your additional perspective would be useful for the rest of us. There's so much in maintaining big AF aircraft, that the giant gap between what is just normal or annoying to an C-130 maintainer turned CV-22 maintainer, might be stopping the rotation of the earth level to an Army 60 crew chief.If say a good way to look at it would be trying to walk into an acquisitions request to say replace the C-130… You tell the contracting companies that you demand double the speed, 1.25x the payload, increased survivability, same stol performance numbers but quieter, etc….But I’m not going to let you make the aircraft any more complex to keep and feed or give you personnel in addition to what you already have. Need another crew chief or avionics guy or some special stand that isn’t in current inventory or doesn’t go to the field for some reason? Go F yourself. That is how the Army is tackling FVL. We want revolutionary capability at no additional effort and it’s going about how you would think.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
contraildash Posted Thursday at 04:48 AM Posted Thursday at 04:48 AM We don’t lose missions to the 160th. In my 12 years we all flew specific roles within the missions we participated in together. Ospreys aren’t going to a contested X (no shit), but we were certainly there doing other roles or other unique missions. Frankly we ended up (as a community) doing a few things the 160th couldn’t. The hostage rescue in 2020 is a great example.The most interesting/rewarding missions I ever did had nothing to do with infil/exfil. The relationships we had with different SOF from around the world were second to none, built over years of working together closely and doing some awesome things. I personally don’t think any other AFSOC airframe had that kind of close relationship with the teams.The reality is that both organizations serve a purpose and the aircraft within have their niche roles for SOCOM. Overall I thought things worked fairly well. But to say we lost missions to the 160th is naive. I agree with most everything else said on here. I left AFSOC for other pastures mainly due to my personal feelings about the lack of any direction of the command. While I loved the airframe and the people I flew with, AFSOC was destroying the program (amongst many other programs) with Bold Moves. Combined with the HCE issue and now the fallout of (criminal) actions of the PRGB parts manufacturer…..the community is in a very hard spot. It was a great place to be until it wasn’t. I consider myself lucky to have been part of it when I did. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 2
contraildash Posted Thursday at 05:09 AM Posted Thursday at 05:09 AM So why did typing 1 6 0 result in that absolute disaster of text coding????Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
SurelySerious Posted Thursday at 09:54 AM Posted Thursday at 09:54 AM So why did typing 1 6 0 result in that absolute disaster of text coding????Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProI had that problem on the Baseops app once iOS 18 hit. (ref: iOS App Error https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?share_fid=40012&share_tid=24091&share_pid=543954&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eflyingsquadron%2Ecom%2Fforums%2Findex%2Ephp%3F%2Ftopic%2F24091-iOS-App-Error%2Fpage__view__findpost__p__543954&share_type=t&link_source=app)But you look like you are using Tapatalk app.
contraildash Posted Thursday at 03:07 PM Posted Thursday at 03:07 PM Yeah apparently any time I type numbers it was doing this. Yes, using tapatalk 160thguess it works nowSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Lawman Posted Thursday at 03:10 PM Posted Thursday at 03:10 PM Yeah apparently any time I type numbers it was doing this. Yes, using tapatalk 160thguess it works nowSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProWe told the SAP guys to turn the thing off regarding Regiment.Should work fine now.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
contraildash Posted Thursday at 03:19 PM Posted Thursday at 03:19 PM lol Yup it does, just fixed the post.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
Biff_T Posted Thursday at 05:23 PM Posted Thursday at 05:23 PM 12 hours ago, contraildash said: The reality is that both organizations serve a purpose and the aircraft within have their niche roles for SOCOM This. @RANDOMDUDE13 See above. 1
Biff_T Posted Thursday at 05:33 PM Posted Thursday at 05:33 PM (edited) 14 hours ago, contraildash said: We don’t lose missions to the 160th. When I brought up the 160th, I didn't think it'd hurt so bad? I wasn't implying you dudes lost missions to those guys. I was trying to tell the young dude it's (CVs vs 160th) a different mission. Did you end up going rotary or fixed wing after the CV? Edit: How many more times can we type 160th? Edited Thursday at 07:22 PM by Biff_T Afterthought
Lawman Posted Thursday at 08:55 PM Posted Thursday at 08:55 PM When I brought up the 160th, I didn't think it'd hurt so bad? I wasn't implying you dudes lost missions to those guys. I was trying to tell the young dude it's (CVs vs 160th) a different mission. Did you end up going rotary or fixed wing after the CV? Edit: How many more times can we type 160th? For the room, no they don’t “lose missions to” ARSOA…However, there are mission sets and habitual relationships with customers even down to individual flight leads absolutely matter. There are customers out there who simply won’t call anybody but certain people first, and a crap OR/availability rate is not going to help you move that needle. And with that you do get a chance to miss out more often, or get pushed back from the lead to a supporting cast.Even amongst 160th there is a pecking order and D/1 is at the center of the universe for a lot of the super cool guys partly because a lot of those super swoopy units were not doing nightly raids riding in 47s over in Stan the last 20 years. There home station training some super cool thing. For all the talk of little birds being the most amazing thing or DAPs I more often than not had convention guys supporting me and likewise flew more support as a 64 guy because there was more to go around. In years time there was less opportunity to do it for real in the national mission force because nobody would crack the glass on that item. There were also customers I never saw simply because the way they did business wasn’t really compatible with our MDS. Likewise there were groups that would pass up the 1st Bn guys because they knew they could bring more ass to the fight in the Murder Bus.Sent from my iPhone using
tac airlifter Posted Thursday at 11:09 PM Posted Thursday at 11:09 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, Lawman said: For the room, no they don’t “lose missions to” ARSOA… They did, although maybe I'm articulating myself poorly. When the -22 first arrived operationally there were stakeholders pushing it to do missions it would not be paired with today. Results were suboptimal, resulting in the "loss" of those missions to assets more appropriately suited: the 160th. Today that does not happen and the Osprey has evolved into a distinct capability; but like a lot of things fielded during the GWOT "how do we use this?" was a work in progress. I'm sure you were around when they showed up in Afghanistan then left before coming back; the above was my observation watching staff decisions. 18 hours ago, contraildash said: AFSOC was destroying the program (amongst many other programs) with Bold Moves. Combined with the HCE issue and now the fallout of (criminal) actions of the PRGB parts manufacturer…..the community is in a very hard spot. Bold Moves: I'm not defending it, but it seemed like the least bad of several bad options. Status quo with the 22 was unfordable. MC rate is so unreliable, the Command had to do something. I linked the 2020 mission because it was bad ass and kudos to you guys for pulling it off. But calls for that are rare and with shrinking budgets everywhere something had to give. What do you think AFSOC should have done instead? Edited Thursday at 11:23 PM by tac airlifter
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contraildash Posted Friday at 12:14 AM Posted Friday at 12:14 AM It did it again! lmao. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1
Biff_T Posted Friday at 01:53 AM Posted Friday at 01:53 AM 1 hour ago, contraildash said: It did it again! lmao. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro We're being jammed! Too much 160th talk in one day. 1 1
McJay Pilot Posted Friday at 02:38 AM Posted Friday at 02:38 AM ALL PLAYERS CEASE BUZZER, ALL PLAYERS CEASE BUZZER 😂 1 4
Boomer6 Posted Friday at 02:44 AM Posted Friday at 02:44 AM 21 hours ago, contraildash said: So why did typing 1 6 0 result in that absolute disaster of text coding???? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 2 2
RANDOMDUDE13 Posted yesterday at 07:06 PM Author Posted yesterday at 07:06 PM On 1/9/2025 at 12:23 PM, Biff_T said: This. @RANDOMDUDE13 See above. @Biff_T Thank you for tagging me with this, and sorry for not responding sooner! Doing some very broad research and talking to military aviators from different platforms and different branches, I find it cool how everything (at least from my angle) in the military aviation realm seems to be an interwoven circle, where not one mission is more important than the other, and where each mission is reliant heavily on other platforms to accomplish the mission. Hence my personal opinion where I would be happy executing any mission and flying any DOD aircraft. If my inference above is wrong by all means correct me. Odd question about HH-60s based on the One's Ready Podcast. They mentioned how PJs are assigned to both STSs and RQSs. Are HH-60s solely assigned to RQSs, or are they assigned to STS as well?
yzl337 Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago 21 minutes ago, RANDOMDUDE13 said: @Biff_T Thank you for tagging me with this, and sorry for not responding sooner! Doing some very broad research and talking to military aviators from different platforms and different branches, I find it cool how everything (at least from my angle) in the military aviation realm seems to be an interwoven circle, where not one mission is more important than the other, and where each mission is reliant heavily on other platforms to accomplish the mission. Hence my personal opinion where I would be happy executing any mission and flying any DOD aircraft. If my inference above is wrong by all means correct me. Odd question about HH-60s based on the One's Ready Podcast. They mentioned how PJs are assigned to both STSs and RQSs. Are HH-60s solely assigned to RQSs, or are they assigned to STS as well? Just RQS 1 1
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