CV-22 Osprey assignment out of pilot training, how does it work?

[SurelySerious]

I don't think it's on pause, I think they just moved production to china..

Too many acquisition programs functioning at the same time, clearly their bid protest program is malfunctioning.

Side note continuing China derail: Dr. Evil must be in charge of acquisitions with their order for One Million Shitheed drones.

[Lawman]

The Army recently sent a bunch of people from OPMD (manning and personnel assignments design) to work with Marine CV units as they figure out what the first V-280 units are gonna look like…. The resulting impressions were not liked by leadership.

I give Valor until FY28 before it’s cancelled. The Army wants Ferrari performance but a Toyota maintenance footprint and they are quickly finding out that isn’t possible.

Defiant was even more of an insane overreach. It’s as big if not bigger than a 47 and you can’t physically access whole portions of it without special cranes and catwalks.


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[M2]

The most accurate documentary on the DoD acquisition system ever made!!

[Clark Griswold]

16 hours ago, Lawman said:

The Army recently sent a bunch of people from OPMD (manning and personnel assignments design) to work with Marine CV units as they figure out what the first V-280 units are gonna look like…. The resulting impressions were not liked by leadership.

I give Valor until FY28 before it’s cancelled. The Army wants Ferrari performance but a Toyota maintenance footprint and they are quickly finding out that isn’t possible.

Defiant was even more of an insane overreach. It’s as big if not bigger than a 47 and you can’t physically access whole portions of it without special cranes and catwalks.

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They even pitched a quad tilt rotor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Boeing_Quad_TiltRotor

This thing if ever built would have made the Space Shuttle seem reliable and easy to maintain I bet
 

 

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[busdriver]

16 hours ago, Lawman said:

Defiant was even more of an insane overreach. It’s as big if not bigger than a 47 and you can’t physically access whole portions of it without special cranes and catwalks.

It requires a B-Stand to access some stuff.  And its a lot taller than a 60.

I'm not slinging hate at you, just observing the inherent perspective difference.  Even with the guy that hangs out on an AF forum.

[Lawman]

It requires a B-Stand to access some stuff.  And its a lot taller than a 60.
I'm not slinging hate at you, just observing the inherent perspective difference.  Even with the guy that hangs out on an AF forum.

That’s why it’s not for us.

The Army needs to stop speaking out of both sides of its mouth on its expectations. We can’t continue to chant “further & faster!” while we simultaneously try to treat our aviation like tractors.

If it can’t live in the dirt for prolonged periods of time we can’t use it. It’s not a we wouldn’t like it, it’s that we are suspect to the ground guys before we ever ask for money and we already spend too much for them. If it can’t live at painted rocks in NTC it can’t be what we buy. Same reason Comanche was a pipe dream. Like I said I think it’s cancelled before it reaches first unit increment, and all the tech we developed for it and for FVL-Heavy (the new one starting now) end up going into 47X and 60Z…. And FY31 you see the 64F make its first flights.


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[busdriver]

5 hours ago, Lawman said:

That’s why it’s not for us.

Understood.  I thought your additional perspective would be useful for the rest of us. 

There's so much in maintaining big AF aircraft, that the giant gap between what is just normal or annoying to an C-130 maintainer turned CV-22 maintainer, might be stopping the rotation of the earth level to an Army 60 crew chief.

[Lawman]

Understood.  I thought your additional perspective would be useful for the rest of us. 
There's so much in maintaining big AF aircraft, that the giant gap between what is just normal or annoying to an C-130 maintainer turned CV-22 maintainer, might be stopping the rotation of the earth level to an Army 60 crew chief.

If say a good way to look at it would be trying to walk into an acquisitions request to say replace the C-130… You tell the contracting companies that you demand double the speed, 1.25x the payload, increased survivability, same stol performance numbers but quieter, etc….

But I’m not going to let you make the aircraft any more complex to keep and feed or give you personnel in addition to what you already have. Need another crew chief or avionics guy or some special stand that isn’t in current inventory or doesn’t go to the field for some reason? Go F yourself.

That is how the Army is tackling FVL. We want revolutionary capability at no additional effort and it’s going about how you would think.


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