Mid-Air Collision in DC

[bfargin]

  On 3/31/2025 at 12:08 AM, icohftb said:

Sounds like they are high and slow for a flyover

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Those were the days. I remember a 2 ship FB-111 flyby at about 100’ / 150’ and about 500kts. Today they’d try to throw you in jail for that.

[Standby]

  On 3/31/2025 at 5:08 PM, M2 said:

For those with access, check out the BaseOps Intellipedia page on SIPRNET for the CCIR...

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I left my SIPR phone in the seat back pocket on my last Southwest flight, can you just add me to the Signal group and drop the report there?

[brabus]

  On 3/31/2025 at 9:43 PM, bfargin said:

Those were the days. I remember a 2 ship FB-111 flyby at about 100’ / 150’ and about 500kts. Today they’d try to throw you in jail for that.

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Combat (strafe/show of force is flyby-ish) only nowadays…too bad. 

[ClearedHot]

This certainly doesn't help the situation...

Air traffic controller arrested after ‘incident’ at Washington DC area control tower

[SocialD]

Man, the movie Pushing Tin wasn't that far off.

[RASH]

  On 3/31/2025 at 9:43 PM, bfargin said:

Those were the days. I remember a 2 ship FB-111 flyby at about 100’ / 150’ and about 500kts. Today they’d try to throw you in jail for that.

Was it over a USAFA football game?


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[M2]

  On 3/31/2025 at 11:02 PM, Standby said:

I left my SIPR phone in the seat back pocket on my last Southwest flight, can you just add me to the Signal group and drop the report there?

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[Standby]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:05 PM, M2 said:

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Basically as expected. For those without tokens, the CCIR is DAF unclass…should be easy to get the deets. 

[bfargin]

  On 4/1/2025 at 12:55 PM, RASH said:

Was it over a USAFA football game?


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At a Bills game. Sadly I was watching and not flying. I was a tanker guy at the Burgh.

Edited April 1 by bfargin
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[GrndPndr]

  On 3/31/2025 at 9:43 PM, bfargin said:

Those were the days. I remember a 2 ship FB-111 flyby at about 100’ / 150’ and about 500kts. Today they’d try to throw you in jail for that.

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LOL, the guys from Pease had their shtick (sts), and that was it.

[disgruntledemployee]

I'll take the licks.  I forgot that a T38 will fall out of the sky at 299 kts.  My flyovers were in a Herk and /s the wings will rip off at 300 kts /s.  I assumed that flyovers were max 250 because of all the shenanigans over the years. 

[icohftb]

So who's gonna post a link to the video on proper T-38 flyovers?

[bfargin]

Here’s a good one 😀, replacement glass is cheap

 

[bfargin]

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-time-an-air-force-academy-ceremony-ended-in-property-damage-and-15-injuries/

[bfargin]

This is about what they all looked like (at varying speeds) back in the 1980s.

This one is more recent and I think was discussed here on BOs when it happened. The crews got reprimanded if I remember correctly.

 

[Standby]

They do it different down south.

 

 

  On 4/2/2025 at 8:00 PM, bfargin said:

Here’s a good one 😀, replacement glass is cheap

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Edited April 3 by Standby

[TreeA10]

  On 4/2/2025 at 8:03 PM, bfargin said:

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/the-time-an-air-force-academy-ceremony-ended-in-property-damage-and-15-injuries/

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If you attended UPT at Columbus AFB, you drove down Simlar Blvd. named after the same MGen George Simlar in the article.  He had a history of doing an aileron roll when departing one command for his next command.  Well, he was leaving Randolph in a T-38 and buffooned his aileron roll killing himself and his aide.  For a gross display of poor airmanship, you too can get a street named after you... But only if you are a general.

[Standby]

  On 4/3/2025 at 10:42 AM, TreeA10 said:

If you attended UPT at Columbus AFB, you drove down Simlar Blvd. named after the same MGen George Simlar in the article.  He had a history of doing an aileron roll when departing one command for his next command.  Well, he was leaving Randolph in a T-38 and buffooned his aileron roll killing himself and his aide.  For a gross display of poor airmanship, you too can get a street named after you... But only if you are a general.

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Competing theories on that accident. Code7700.

“Given the general's tendency to over-rotate, the dressing down he gave his aide for nudging the stick the previous day, and his proclamations at the Auger Inn, it appears he rotated to such a high angle the aircraft started stalling right after takeoff and one wing dropped. This gave the appearance of the start of a nose high aileron roll. Then the airplane disappeared from view. The aircraft then reversed its roll as the pilot tried desperately to regain control. The roll reversed again, just then the aircraft reappeared to the witnesses, who perceived the completion of the aileron roll.

Professor Mason's conclusion was that the aircraft fell out of the sky in a full stall, hence the contained size of the crash site. The report says the aircraft was "slightly nose high" when it impacted doing 198 knots. That airspeed doesn't make sense given the aircraft's attitude and size of the impact site. I do not believe the accident report. I believe Mason was correct: the general over-rotated, stalled the aircraft, and both pilots died as a result.”

[Lord Ratner]

  On 4/3/2025 at 11:17 AM, Standby said:

Competing theories on that accident. Code7700.

“Given the general's tendency to over-rotate, the dressing down he gave his aide for nudging the stick the previous day, and his proclamations at the Auger Inn, it appears he rotated to such a high angle the aircraft started stalling right after takeoff and one wing dropped. This gave the appearance of the start of a nose high aileron roll. Then the airplane disappeared from view. The aircraft then reversed its roll as the pilot tried desperately to regain control. The roll reversed again, just then the aircraft reappeared to the witnesses, who perceived the completion of the aileron roll.

Professor Mason's conclusion was that the aircraft fell out of the sky in a full stall, hence the contained size of the crash site. The report says the aircraft was "slightly nose high" when it impacted doing 198 knots. That airspeed doesn't make sense given the aircraft's attitude and size of the impact site. I do not believe the accident report. I believe Mason was correct: the general over-rotated, stalled the aircraft, and both pilots died as a result.”

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Funny how some of the coolest machines ever created by man are still somehow not quite cool enough for the egomaniacs. A few extra degrees of pitch or a few extra knots are indiscernible from the ground, yet have cost so many lives. 

[ClearedHot]

Still not as bad as the Highway Men and the Turtle club at Laughlin back in the day....IYKYK.

[bfargin]

  On 4/3/2025 at 2:53 PM, ClearedHot said:

Still not as bad as the Highway Men and the Turtle club at Laughlin back in the day....IYKYK.

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Willie allegedly had a “highway men” club too. Screw that, i was having too much fun flying on Uncle Sam’s dime to do drastically stupid shitte like that and get booted. Even without social media, you could still end up being seen by the wrong person and lose your wings.

[ClearedHot]

  On 4/3/2025 at 8:29 PM, bfargin said:

Willie allegedly had a “highway men” club too. Screw that, i was having too much fun flying on Uncle Sam’s dime to do drastically stupid shitte like that and get booted. Even without social media, you could still end up being seen by the wrong person and lose your wings.

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At Laughlin it was a State Trooper that ended the Highway men...he was staking out what he thought was kids drag racing and leaving the tire marks on the road when a T-38 came along and did a touch and go.

[GKinnear]

  On 4/3/2025 at 9:20 PM, ClearedHot said:

At Laughlin it was a State Trooper that ended the Highway men...he was staking out what he thought was kids drag racing and leaving the tire marks on the road when a T-38 came along and did a touch and go.

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And now you've got Big Blue letting fighters and heavies record and post on social media their highway ops...

 

The circle is now complete, and there's no such thing as "authorized" morale...

 

Last comment...The Highway Men are highly recommended for drunk music listening when surfing BO.net...

 

Edited April 3 by GKinnear
Drunk posting and spelling don't mix