Mid-Air Collision in DC

[JeremiahWeed]

21 hours ago, stract said:

there's a concept for that: normalized deviance.

Just a minor point. I believe the word we’re all looking for is actually “deviation”, not deviance. 

Deviance is a word with its roots in the word Deviant.  Deviant behavior is any behavior that does not conform to societal norms.There are many different types of deviant behavior, including impoliteness, violence, and substance abuse. These behaviors may or may not be criminal.

[Flev]

 

2 hours ago, JeremiahWeed said:

Just a minor point. I believe the word we’re all looking for is actually “deviation”, not deviance. 

Deviance is a word with its roots in the word Deviant.  Deviant behavior is any behavior that does not conform to societal norms.There are many different types of deviant behavior, including impoliteness, violence, and substance abuse. These behaviors may or may not be criminal.

[uhhello]

Normalization of deviance was mentioned...

Edited Tuesday at 03:52 AM by uhhello

[JeremiahWeed]

Ok, fair enough.  I’ve always heard it with the other word, but I stand corrected.   

[uhhello]

38 minutes ago, JeremiahWeed said:

Ok, fair enough.  I’ve always heard it with the other word, but I stand corrected.   

Thats the not internet way!  Double down bud 

[Vito]

Can any of you guys who are in the know, answer this question from a poster on another  UK based website?

 

“Hi. Hope you're well. Interesting situation there in DCA. Can you ask those military helicopter friends what clearance and service they get when asking to transit the routes through the DCA Class Bravo. It would also be VERY interesting to know if they hear any private helicopters cleared this way, or whether it's all military. Best & thanks, WMF.”

[Vito]

Bump,

 see post above, 

Thx.

[Biff_T]

14 hours ago, Vito said:

Hi. Hope you're well. Interesting situation there in DCA. Can you ask those military helicopter friends what clearance and service they get when asking to transit the routes through the DCA Class Bravo. It would also be VERY interesting to know if they hear any private helicopters cleared this way, or whether it's all military. Best & thanks, WMF.”

You ask for specific routes or zones with tower prior to executing them.  Example: "Tower, Biff 28 Cabin John, 1, 4, 3 to Andrews". 

From what I remember, there were only military,  gov agency and police helicopters.  No tourists.   

Balt-Wash_Heli (2).pdf

 

[Vito]

Thanks BIff, I’ll pass your reply on to him. Do you know what he may mean by service? Flight following, traffic alerts?

[Biff_T]

Civilian traffic isn't normally cleared through the FRZ  (approximately 15 NMs around DCA). 

The civilian traffic that flies through the airspace within 30 NMs of DC, must have special training and a clearance to enter the SFRA. 

They basically treat 30 NMs within DCA like Bravo.   I believe they will provide flight following for the higher flying civilian traffic but helos are generally too low on the radar.  

Edited 17 hours ago by Biff_T
Afterthought

[Flev]

If you want a quick run-down of the SFRA procedures for GA, this link has a kneeboard card explaining everything. It can get a little confusing if you haven't done the training.

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/gslac/courses/content/405/1310/170301 Kneeboard - DC SFRA Checklist.pdf