StoleIt Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 2:55 AM, LawnDart said: Anyone have any insight on the opportunities to crossflow over to the 46 these days? Curious if a large amount of former KC-10 bros are taking all the open slots as they slowly try to sunset the Gucci life, or if the community is still so undermanned that it's not making a difference. Expand If you are a KC-10 dude or dudette I'd say apply to the 89th, but I believe I overheard our recruiter saying their functional wasn't releasing anyone since they are undermanned.
Guest PeggyDriver46 Posted June 28, 2022 Posted June 28, 2022 (edited) On 6/28/2022 at 7:04 PM, StoleIt said: If you are a KC-10 dude or dudette I'd say apply to the 89th, but I believe I overheard our recruiter saying their functional wasn't releasing anyone since they are undermanned. Expand This is true for the 46 as well. If you come to the 46, your heart better be completely in it because you are here for life. One guy threatened to drop paperwork if they didn't release him. I'm fairly sure he's at airline training now, so I guess technically he did get out of the 46. Edited June 28, 2022 by LoveDumpster
LawnDart Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/28/2022 at 7:04 PM, StoleIt said: If you are a KC-10 dude or dudette I'd say apply to the 89th, but I believe I overheard our recruiter saying their functional wasn't releasing anyone since they are undermanned. Expand Not KC-10s, currently in the 17. Interesting to hear that the 10s are "undermanned" despite being shut down? Or are they starting to walk that back I wonder. On 6/28/2022 at 9:11 PM, LoveDumpster said: This is true for the 46 as well. If you come to the 46, your heart better be completely in it because you are here for life. One guy threatened to drop paperwork if they didn't release him. I'm fairly sure he's at airline training now, so I guess technically he did get out of the 46. Expand Wow that's impressive, I guess. Did he have some sort of gripe with the 46 or was he just looking to do something different?
Scooter14 Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 3:52 AM, LawnDart said: Wow that's impressive, I guess. Did he have some sort of gripe with the 46 or was he just looking to do something different?Haven’t you heard?It’s cool to hate the -46. All the cool kids are doing it. 2
Stoker Posted June 29, 2022 Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 3:52 AM, LawnDart said: Not KC-10s, currently in the 17. Interesting to hear that the 10s are "undermanned" despite being shut down? Or are they starting to walk that back I wonder. Expand Oh, the retirement is still moving forward - but also here's a bunch of last minute taskings we have absolutely no one else to do. What do you mean you don't have a crew? 1
Guest PeggyDriver46 Posted June 30, 2022 Posted June 30, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 7:33 PM, Scooter14 said: Haven’t you heard? It’s cool to hate the -46. All the cool kids are doing it. Expand The 46 has had some teething issues but overall I love the aircraft. It's a joy to fly, and landing it is a breeze. The 767 time is a blessing if I ever get tired of the Air Force's shit and decide to punch. That guy had his own personal aspirations. I think he wanted to do FAO or something like that. The big gripe is with the community. We have a, IMO, well earned reputation of being the MAF fastburner type. When the 46 brought people in, they took the shiny pennies from every community, and now all the shiny pennies are fighting to be the shiniest penny of them all. The younger generation is trying to change that, but it'll take time. It's gotten a lot better in the last few years as some of the more toxic leaders have moved up or out.
Majestik Møøse Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 On 6/29/2022 at 7:43 PM, Stoker said: Oh, the retirement is still moving forward - but also here's a bunch of last minute taskings we have absolutely no one else to do. What do you mean you don't have a crew? Expand The USAF is getting a free lesson right now on why the artificial tanker gap caused by early KC-10 retirement is at best a criminally negligent act and at worse a root cause for a loss in a shooting war. Even against a second-rate opponent. The real question is whether they’ll admit mistakes or implement a solution. 1 2
Chida Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 12:47 PM, LoveDumpster said: We have a, IMO, well earned reputation of being the MAF fastburner type.Lolz… Reminds me of the time I went to Carswell looking for a job and some random Maj who “interviewed” me said, “We’re a pretty elite unit.” 1
Guest PeggyDriver46 Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 10:23 PM, Chida said: Lolz… Reminds me of the time I went to Carswell looking for a job and some random Maj who “interviewed” me said, “We’re a pretty elite unit.” Expand The "MAF fastburner type" was not a complement.
BashiChuni Posted July 1, 2022 Posted July 1, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 10:00 PM, Majestik Møøse said: The real question is whether they’ll admit mistakes Expand HAHAHA! 1
Sua Sponte Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 McConnell allegedly submitted a waiver to AMC today to fly the -46 with one pilot and one boom. This is due to them freaking out about pilot retention. This is also against the flight manual.
dream big Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 2:58 AM, Sua Sponte said: McConnell allegedly submitted a waiver to AMC today to fly the -46 with one pilot and one boom. This is due to them freaking out about pilot retention. This is also against the flight manual. Expand No way it gets approved. This ain’t Nam 1
Sua Sponte Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) On 7/15/2022 at 5:06 AM, dream big said: No way it gets approved. This ain’t Nam Expand Apparently, the AMC/CC is pushing for it. The memes are apparently hitting social media about it. Edited July 15, 2022 by Sua Sponte
Danger41 Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 Having never flown the KC-46, is it really a bridge too far to fly it single pilot? Beyond what the flight manual says, is it essential to have 2 pilots?
Sua Sponte Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 3:04 PM, Danger41 said: Having never flown the KC-46, is it really a bridge too far to fly it single pilot? Beyond what the flight manual says, is it essential to have 2 pilots? Expand How many 767s fly with one pilot?
SurelySerious Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 3:04 PM, Danger41 said: Having never flown the KC-46, is it really a bridge too far to fly it single pilot? Beyond what the flight manual says, is it essential to have 2 pilots?You carry one of these in your flight bag?https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4514916/Footage-shows-Darpa-s-robot-pilot-flying-737-sim.htmlJust on a regulatory basis, it’s certificated for two pilots, and the FAA isn’t very quick these days. 1
Sua Sponte Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 3:16 PM, SurelySerious said: You carry one of these in your flight bag? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4514916/Footage-shows-Darpa-s-robot-pilot-flying-737-sim.html Just on a regulatory basis, it’s certificated for two pilots, and the FAA isn’t very quick these days. Expand 1
Pooter Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 3:04 PM, Danger41 said: Having never flown the KC-46, is it really a bridge too far to fly it single pilot? Beyond what the flight manual says, is it essential to have 2 pilots? Expand I think in normal normal ops, no it would not be crazy to fly with a single pilot. Lots of automation and low task loads when things are going completely standard. I would guess this holds for most crewed aircraft in benign situations. The issue is when the situation becomes not benign. When nonstandard things / EPs / mission changes start happening now you have a single brain having to manage a very large very complex aircraft and deal with those externalities as well.
StrikeOut312 Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 I’ve nearly had to fly solo while refueling -16s in Afghanistan during the other guy’s code brown situation. At this point, soloing on most sorties wouldn’t be a huge deal for me in the KC-135, on a normal, good day. Shoot, you’re basically soloing with a new MCT copilot. The problem is when things are not normal, you’re flying back-half of the clock, and your circadian rhythm is completely effed. Sure, KC-46 is much more ergonomic and has better automation. Doesn’t change the complexity that can occur. Wouldn’t surprise me if this waiver leads to a crew ratio change and then squadrons are even more hard up to man office jobs in the squadron.
Swizzle Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 4:50 PM, StrikeOut312 said: .. Wouldn’t surprise me if this waiver leads to a crew ratio change and then squadrons are even more hard up to man office jobs in the squadron. Expand This, and yup...future dumpster fire brewing, smoldering
Swizzle Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) On 7/15/2022 at 3:16 PM, SurelySerious said: You carry one of these in your flight bag? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4514916/Footage-shows-Darpa-s-robot-pilot-flying-737-sim.html Just on a regulatory basis, it’s certificated for two pilots, and the FAA isn’t very quick these days. Expand Related.... https://www.popsci.com/technology/merlin-labs-air-force-cargo-planes/ C-130J...go figure, wonder how well Merlin can fly a Day Vis LL? Or Max Effort LDG? Now with a UPT2.5 graduate upgraded AC in min time who is also a fast burning, minimum flying WG/CCE?? Edited July 15, 2022 by Swizzle Robotics have actually greatly increased, but for flying we should be skeptical a bit more... 2 2
StrikeOut312 Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 5:02 PM, Swizzle said: Now with a UPT2.5 graduate upgraded AC in min time who is also a fast burning, minimum flying WG/CCE?? Expand Exactly what I’m thinking. Some kid will upgrade, have no depth of experience to fallback on, and be sent to the wolves. GMAFB. 2
Guest nsplayr Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 3:16 PM, SurelySerious said: You carry one of these in your flight bag? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4514916/Footage-shows-Darpa-s-robot-pilot-flying-737-sim.html Just on a regulatory basis, it’s certificated for two pilots, and the FAA isn’t very quick these days. Expand This seems like an insane solution lol. With coupled autopilot + autothrottles, all you need is software, you don't need some weird robot arm that's just a likely to turn into Skynet and impale me before taking over and crashing the jet into the White House or something out of a Michael Bay movie. That being said...I'm fully on board with fully RPA big jets doing cargo and etc. both over the oceans and CONUS, as well as remote-pilot augmentation for a manned crew.
Chida Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 They need the weird robotic arm so that it is a drop-in pilot replacement for airplanes that exist now. Then in however many years the 2nd pilot robot can be designed into the aircraft and you won’t have the weird robotic arm anymore.
herkbum Posted July 15, 2022 Posted July 15, 2022 On 7/15/2022 at 9:18 PM, nsplayr said: That being said...I'm fully on board with fully RPA big jets doing cargo and etc. both over the oceans and CONUS, as well as remote-pilot augmentation for a manned crew.Nope. Leave the pilot in the plane. Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 5
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