Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[Guest]

Forrest Gump, Ernest Goes to Camp, or Sling Blade retarded?

Simple Jack.


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[RASH]

Forrest Gump, Ernest Goes to Camp, or Sling Blade retarded?

D: All of the above


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[Boomer6]

He trolls everyone for two years and is now trolling everyone about being a troll..

[HossHarris]

12 hours ago, Boomer6 said:

He trolls everyone for two years and is now trolling everyone about being a troll..

That's some inception layered onion shit right there. Prolly a high school dropout working at 7-11. 

[cantfly]

7 hours ago, HossHarris said:

That's some inception layered onion shit right there. Prolly a high school dropout working at 7-11. 

Hoss, we need someone to serve up the cool taste of a cold slurpee or icee on a hot ass day at 7-11. You're probably a man who can appreciate Pauly Shore's motto of "wheezing the juuuice."

[General Chang]

16 hours ago, HossHarris said:

That's some inception layered onion shit right there. Prolly a high school dropout working at 7-11. 

There are days I would rather be slinging hot dogs at 7-11.  More and more each passing year.

[Snooter]

13 hours ago, General Chang said:

There are days I would rather be slinging hot dogs at 7-11.  More and more each passing year.

Moved to what's wrong with the Air Force...

Edited April 26, 2017 by Snooter

[ClearedHot]

On 4/26/2017 at 3:51 AM, General Chang said:

There are days I would rather be slinging hot dogs at 7-11.  More and more each passing year.

Too bad, as you mentioned STOP LOSS is a viable retention tool and we obvious need tools like you.

[Wing Sweep]

If AF leadership is so concerned about pilot retention, why don't they do two things: (1) fix the real problems and (2) make the new congressionally approved flight pay/ACP bonus limits a reality? Both need to happen right now! That being said, money is only 1 of 69,000 problems the AF has. Furthermore, there should be zero talk about stop loss from AF leadership until they, at a minimum, implement dollar values congress has authorized. That being said, the extra money won't do anything for retention unles the other 69,000 problems are fixed too.

The AF has one choice. They must pay pilots more, bring basic functions back to the squadrons, reduce queep 100% (if it's queep, it's not required), and change the mentality of the AF at large from shoe clerk geekery back to what it should be---violently murdering our enemies and/or aiding those who do. 

Leadership has failed, as evidenced by the lack of trust in the O-5 through O-10 levels across our AF. It's very sad...and I do hope that among the new breed of FNGs, there are warrior-minded future leaders that turn this thing around for the better. It will take at least one generation of "leadership cleansing" in order to get rid of the spineless, yes man "leadership" currently embedded at all levels of our AF.

As a data point, I planned to stay in the AF until they dragged me out. I had this mindset for a long time. Around 2012, I started to question my plans. By 2016, my decision was clear---move on to greener pastures as soon as I hit 20 years versus staying to 28, 30 or more.  It really kills me because I know what the AF is capable of being, but it's not going to get there any time soon. For those of you stayinglong-term, fight the good fight and make this place better. As for me, I will do what can to improve my very small piece of the AF for the next 1 year, 6 months and 5 days. 

Edited April 30, 2017 by g2s

[cantfly]

My CC asked me if I took the bonus after a PCS to his squadron. I hadn't been offered the bonus yet. Does AFPC tell the CC when you don't take the money?

I turned the bonus down based on what my airline buddies told me. If I had 5 years remaining to 20 years, I might have taken the money. Just stupid not to take the money in that case. Anyway, I am glad I listened to my friends because one friend told me he regretted his decision. I feel like a free man by turning the money down. 

The guy at AFPC told me the window was extended after I had told him no and the deadline had elapsed for the bonus. In my mind this extension was due to the fact that not enough people are biting on the bonus. I felt like the ARP at AFPC is under some pressure right now. He kept emailing me and would cc a GS-11 on our emails. Even after telling me the bonus may decrease or I might not be eligible this year, I didn't care.

Edited May 1, 2017 by cantfly

[Champ Kind]

I don't think CCs get a specific report on bonus takers, but it's pretty obvious in the ADSC date and reason coding on your SURF if you have/haven't....assuming anyone is inclined to check.

[Guardian]

What about the guard or afres bonus? Can you get out of those since they don't incur an adsc? I've heard of dudes doing it but I'm worried with all of this stop loss stuff going on.


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[Gazmo]

If you are an AGR and are collecting a pilot bonus in the Guard or Reserves you can be subject to repayment if you don't fullfill your obligation.

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[cantfly]

27 minutes ago, Champ Kind said:

I don't think CCs get a specific report on bonus takers, but it's pretty obvious in the ADSC date and reason coding on your SURF if you have/haven't....assuming anyone is inclined to check.

Thanks. I never even thought about that at all.

[Herk Driver]

Thanks. I never even thought about that at all.

CCs don't get a report but it is in your personnel data within PRDA, IIRC. They can tell who has or hasn't but they must look it up individually from what I remember .


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[herkbum]

If you are an AGR and are collecting a pilot bonus in the Guard or Reserves you can be subject to repayment if you don't fullfill your obligation.

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Happening now to a former AGR in my unit. Resigned to go airline.


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[Gazmo]

Happening now to a former AGR in my unit. Resigned to go airline.


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There is the $25k deal and $15k deal. If you only fullfill the obligation for the $15k deal, but you signed for the $25k deal you must pay back the cummulative difference between the $25k deal and the $15k deal. Could end up being $20,000 and you have to pay that back pre-tax (and file corrected w2's). Royal PITA, but hey... if you want out, you do what you have to do. At the end of the day when you have the potential to make $300+ per hour in the last 5 years of your airline career working 10 days per month, $20k now is chump change.

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[Oldtanker]

Any word on FY17 bonus timeline?

Considering Congressional budget issues, AF only takes 1/2 the blame for being 8 months into the FY w/ no policy.  

$35k was in the NDAA, but I've never seen anything official from the AF.  My UPT ADSC is almost up, I'm eligible to start outprocessing this summer. WTF

[hatedont]

Any word on FY17 bonus timeline?
Considering Congressional budget issues, AF only takes 1/2 the blame for being 8 months into the FY w/ no policy.  
$35k was in the NDAA, but I've never seen anything official from the AF.  My UPT ADSC is almost up, I'm eligible to start outprocessing this summer. WTF

Former Secretary James wanted us to receive a $48K bonus, but we know how that turned out. The Rand Corporation thinks $38.5K will keep pilots from fleeing.

I think Lt. Gen. Mark Nowland gets it though: https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/3-star-air-force-may-need-even-bigger-pilot-retention-bonuses

[Magellan]

1 hour ago, hatedont said:

 

I think Lt. Gen. Mark Nowland gets it though: https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/3-star-air-force-may-need-even-bigger-pilot-retention-bonuses

 

HitMe was a solid dude.  Or at least he seemed that way when he was the wing cc at Vance.  The fact he and his vice both made general prove that sometimes the AF gets it right.

[17D_guy]

4 hours ago, hatedont said:

Former Secretary James wanted us to receive a $48K bonus, but we know how that turned out. The Rand Corporation thinks $38.5K will keep pilots from fleeing.

I think Lt. Gen. Mark Nowland gets it though: https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/3-star-air-force-may-need-even-bigger-pilot-retention-bonuses

 

All this for us cyber guys too.  Don't need a OCO/DCO team trying to decrypt DTS to get out the door *NOW.*  However, I'm not a fan of more contractors doing this work.  

Also, for us the additional $12K after taxes doesn't touch the additional ~$45K and choice of living location I was offered on the civ side.  Sq/Org culture could make up for that, but I don't think I (or my family) can wait 5 years for it to possibly happen.

[flyusaf83]

9 hours ago, hatedont said:

 

Former Secretary James wanted us to receive a $48K bonus, but we know how that turned out. The Rand Corporation thinks $38.5K will keep pilots from fleeing.

I think Lt. Gen. Mark Nowland gets it though: https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/3-star-air-force-may-need-even-bigger-pilot-retention-bonuses

 

Nice to see a GO that at least somewhat gets it.  Now let's find one that not only targets how we do orders, but goes after SAPR, fire extinguisher training, LGBTQ awareness training, endless commanders calls, UA monitor duty, etc.

Here is a new one at my base.  We have to have a cop with an M-4 at the jet whenever we have a static display for some asinine reason.  Well, our SF now say they don't have the manning for that.  The solution? Send aircrew through M-4 training and have us guard our own jets as an additional duty.

I shit you not. 

Edited May 19, 2017 by flyusaf83

[DirtyFlightSuit]

36 minutes ago, flyusaf83 said:

Nice to see a GO that at least somewhat gets it.  Now let's find one that not only targets how we do orders, but goes after SAPR, fire extinguisher training, LGBTQ awareness training, endless commanders calls, UA monitor duty, etc.

Here is a new one at my base.  We have to have a cop with an M-4 at the jet whenever we have a static display for some asinine reason.  Well, our SF now say they don't have the manning for that.  The solution? Send aircrew through M-4 training and have us guard our own jets as an additional duty.

I shit you not. 

Sorry to break it to you but Gen Nowland does not get it, he proved that a few weeks ago at Randolph during his retention briefing.

[Duck]

This is an Air Force that rewards risk aversion. Hence the most risk averse rise to the true upper echelons. I think very few, if any, up there get it at all.


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[panchbarnes]

Not aviation bonus related, but it shows the current state of the AF.  You know it's bad when only 3 out of several hundred eligible non-rated ops officers are applying for the rare good deals we have to offer.  My speculation is that people are looking to punch soon and want to avoid the service commitment that comes with the programs.

 

Greetings,

To date, we have received three applications for all of our Advanced Academic Degree/Special Experience Exchange Duties (AAD/SPEED) programs combined...yes, only three applicants for our five NPS AADs and multiple Cyber and Acquisition exchange programs!

If you're still hemming and hawing, the odds are in your favor this year. Our AAD programs at NPS require conditional acceptance from NPS...if you can't gain acceptance by 31 May 2017 (application deadline), we recommend you submit an application and provide a status update on the conditional acceptance in your email. If you think that you'll need a waiver for a program, just submit your application and state the waiver needed! (TOS/TAFSCD/etc)

Listen, you want to focus on cyber in your career, you closet hacker, you? Submit for CIEET! You want to finally use that MBA once in your life, go ahead and apply for AIEET! Want to learn a language/master's degree and eventually be eligible for direct utilization as a RAS officer, go on...apply for AAD at NPS! Want to teach at USAFA through the faculty pipeline...you most likely won't be released, but maybe you will! Go on, apply!

So what are you waiting for?? Go check out the AAD/SPEED guide posted on MyPers!!

Edited May 20, 2017 by panchbarnes