Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[VMFA187]

1 hour ago, Gazmo said:

More with less. We had to pay for the F-22 and F-35 somehow.

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We needed a hell of a lot more of the former.

[Mikey Donuts]

4 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Two guys I know had about a month shy of 15 years when notified but will have more than 15 years when forced out.

Hey Generals, open your f'n eyes.  We want job security and loyalty from our employer.  You offer neither.

 

Run for the hills boys...

[Guardian]

15-16 years in when he gets out.


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[Oldtanker]

5 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

Two guys I know had about a month shy of 15 years when notified but will have more than 15 years when forced out.

I thought the days of blatantly screwing people out of a retirement were over (due to pilot shortage).

Guess not.

 

[hatedont]

4 hours ago, TnkrToad said:

A little nugget worth considering:

While the 1,500 pilot shortage is a big deal, that's only part of the problem. According to my research, the Air Force pilot inventory has dropped from 15,300 to 13,800 since FY11 (1,500 pilots). In that same time, the total number of manned aircraft aviators (pilots, navs, CSOs, ABMs) has dropped by 2,200 (20,900 to 18,700).

The only aviator group that is numerically growing right now is RPA pilots. I guess that's why the AF is focusing its bonus program so heavily on them--the RPA community is the only place where Big Blue is getting a return on its ACP investments.

Bottom line--the shrinking of the nav & ABM career fields will create even greater demand for pilots on staffs, at a time when the pilot community is already hemorrhaging bodies.


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Drones don't win wars. Is that the AF plan? 

I was talking to a deployed ABM and a pilot from his squadron the other day. He was telling me his bros are running for the door just like the pilots. And his pilot who is a major was like I'm out of here for the airlines next year. It has gotten real and the AF is going to get caught with their dick in the pie.

[pilotguy]

2 hours ago, ImNotARobot said:

Air Force Requests 4K More Airmen, 46 F-35s, No Bonus Changes - Military.com
https://apple.news/AJeUhSGVVT82uTcYESpGrVA

 

No bonus changes...why would I expect anything different. With every passing action, AF leadership shows me EXACTLY how it continues to value pilots. 

And so do the airlines. 

can somebody with some insight explain this and why they would do this?

[Jaded]

15 minutes ago, pilotguy said:

can somebody with some insight explain this and why they would do this?

Why would you expect them to do anything else? 

[ThreeHoler]

1 hour ago, Oldtanker said:

I thought the days of blatantly screwing people out of a retirement were over (due to pilot shortage).

Guess not.

 

So, it turns out the person who was supposed to put together the correct form letter just grabbed the "so long and thanks for all the fish" version and never actually read the PSDM that said both these guys were twice passed over but offered selective continuation under the current "11X is a critical skill" and "fully qualified." They're still waiting to get their "real" twice passed over letters.

[Sprkt69]

1 hour ago, ThreeHoler said:

So, it turns out the person who was supposed to put together the correct form letter just grabbed the "so long and thanks for all the fish" version and never actually read the PSDM that said both these guys were twice passed over but offered selective continuation under the current "11X is a critical skill" and "fully qualified." They're still waiting to get their "real" twice passed over letters.

Those guys should just jump ship as there are other ways to get your 20. Incompetence should not be rewarded

[Oldtanker]

5 hours ago, ImNotARobot said:

Air Force Requests 4K More Airmen, 46 F-35s, No Bonus Changes - Military.com
https://apple.news/AJeUhSGVVT82uTcYESpGrVA

 

No bonus changes...why would I expect anything different. With every passing action, AF leadership shows me EXACTLY how it continues to value pilots. 

And so do the airlines. 

I don't get it. Rand study says $60k needed, AF asks for $48k, NDAA authorizes $35, but AF decides on $25k?Is this the final answer? 

I'm glad the passed over dudes have the option to stay in. Can't expect personnel staff to follow personnel memos.

[ThreeHoler]

I don't get it. Rand study says $60k needed, AF asks for $48k, NDAA authorizes $35, but AF decides on $25k?Is this the final answer? 
I'm glad the passed over dudes have the option to stay in. Can't expect personnel staff to follow personnel memos.

Did you read the article? FY18 budget...stays same as FY17. So $35k max.

That said, the people at the top are clueless even if they have a "pilot retention crisis team."

[Gazmo]

We need a bunch of new airplanes, but won't have anyone to fly or maintain them. Makes sense to me. What a funny past 15 years this has been. It's amazing how something so good has turned into something this bad.

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[Guest]

Did you read the article? FY18 budget...stays same as FY17. So $35k max.

That said, the people at the top are clueless even if they have a "pilot retention crisis team."

Well, it certainly doesn't help when every phucktard they ask keeps saying "it's not about the money" when they should be saying "it's not just about the money."


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[akang2006]

1 hour ago, ihtfp06 said:

 

Well, it certainly doesn't help when every phucktard they ask keeps saying "it's not about the money" when they should be saying "it's not just about the money."


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[Guardian]

Told you guys. Fingers Goldfien is a Fvck Tard.


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[neontico]

15 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

 

Well, it certainly doesn't help when every phucktard they ask keeps saying "it's not about the money" when they should be saying "it's not just about the money."


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^This.  Everything has a price.

[Guest]

Just to give you an idea how much the Air Force values pilots:

In 1990, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty received $650 a month in ACIP.  This represented a 25.6% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course).

In 2017, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty receives $650 a month in ACIP.  This represents only a 11.5% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course).

Couple this with our average (compared to LAF) recognition on promotion boards, and I begin to feel really appreciated and critical to the success of the AF.

The Air Force is going to have a really tough time fighting and winning once we run out of qualified individuals wanting to fly.

[hatedont]

5 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

Just to give you an idea how much the Air Force values pilots:

In 1990, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty received $650 a month in ACIP.  This represented a 25.6% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course).

In 2017, a Captain reaching 6 years rated duty receives $650 a month in ACIP.  This represents only a 11.5% premium over basic pay (BAH/BAS would drive this percentage down, of course).

Couple this with our average (compared to LAF) recognition on promotion boards, and I begin to feel really appreciated and critical to the success of the AF.

The Air Force is going to have a really tough time fighting and winning once we run out of qualified individuals wanting to fly.

When was the last time we actually won anything: Desert Storm? How did we win during Desert Fox, Operation Allied Force, OEF, OIF, Operation Odyssey Dawn?

Don't even get me started on where ISR goes despite tons of sorties. Maxing out your people to fill databases for analysis doesn't make any sense. When a war kicks off, there is no golden damn BB...cough Korea.

Adversaries aren't stupid anymore. Look at what tactics were employed against us during OAF. Then we watched how much of their equipment that actually survived the operation. 

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[FourFans]

5 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

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Air Force is going to have a really tough time fighting and winning once we run out of qualified individuals wanting to fly.

I second your notion, but let's be clear.  There is a significant difference between a "qualified individual wanting to fly" and a combat effective pilot who maintains a skill level actually needed to compete with peer adversaries.  The former is a FAIP.  The latter is already endangered in today's Air Force.  The USAF is digging a new hole inside one that it's already been digging for years.  We're at the point that simply having someone willing to fly, regardless of actual skill level, is considered a win.

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[ViperStud]

Mods, can we put this retarded conversation about an LT measuring his wife's legitimacy via credit score where it belongs - in the WTF thread?

[FourFans]

8 minutes ago, ViperStud said:

Mods, can we put this retarded conversation about an LT measuring his wife's legitimacy via credit score where it belongs - in the WTF thread?

Fair point.

[Champ Kind]

11 hours ago, ViperStud said:

Mods, can we put this retarded conversation about an LT measuring his wife's legitimacy via credit score where it belongs - in the WTF thread?

Valid.  Retarded conversation removed.

If you guys would like to continue the BAH/finance/marital advice discussion, search for an existing thread or start a new one.  

Redirect discussion back to the bonus (or lack thereof at this point).

[Dogs-N-Guns]

123 days remain in FY17, still no ARP. I wonder how many fence sitters have punched out rather than take another PCS ADSC waiting for a decision on the bonus amount.

[Jaded]

1 minute ago, Dogs-N-Guns said:

123 days remain in FY17, still no ARP. I wonder how many fence sitters have punched out rather than take another PCS ADSC waiting for a decision on the bonus amount.

Zero? The bonus doesn't keep many people in that weren't going to stay anyway. 

[Dogs-N-Guns]

I pieced together a good deal that minimized my exposure to BS. The bonus was part of the equation. I was also late rated, which put me a couple years closer to 20 than other pilots at the decision point. I'm in the "it's not just about the money" crowd.