Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[Homestar]

8 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

The way I read the PSDM, I think it's actually one payment of $25K, 8 payments of $30K, and the last year is unpaid.  10 years of ADSC, but only 9 years of pay.

That probably depends on if you have reached your bonus date yet. 

Eidt to add: I believe signing the $30k/yr bonus has to be for a length equal to or greater than the original contract. So, one year at $25k (original contract) and 9 years under the new $35k/yr contract. I may be wrong though. 

Edited June 18, 2017 by Homestar

[sqwatch]

Why should the AF pay an individual- who already named their price for an extended commitment last year with the ridiculous early commitment program- more money without incurring an additional commitment?


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[Herk Driver]

Why should the AF pay an individual- who already named their price for an extended commitment last year with the ridiculous early commitment program- more money without incurring an additional commitment?

 

 

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The unintended consequence of signing up early...the first of many, I suspect.

 

 

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[Duck]

On the bright side, all of you who took the early bonus have proved to Big Blue your undying loyalty! That should be a reward enough!


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[Guest]

I think it's pretty funny that a certain relative of the CSAF is a member of the "Early take AVB action group." You would think he would have been given a craniums up that his bonus was gonna go from 25 to 35 if he waited to be initial eligible.

Edit for fighter pilot speak.

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[Smokin]

11 hours ago, sqwatch said:

Why should the AF pay an individual- who already named their price for an extended commitment last year with the ridiculous early commitment program- more money without incurring an additional commitment?


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It makes sense to the AF because the AF used that as an additional carrot to get guys to take the early signup.  If a guy was sure he was staying in, he gets money as soon as his commitment is up (could be big difference if he graduated UPT early in the FY).  Without the carrot that you could get the larger amount if the amount increased during your normal year, many guys last year wouldn't have taken the early option on rumors of bigger money next year.  The AF wants guys to sign early as it provides them predictability and keeps them from starting to think about other options (generally bad for the AF these days).  Based on both parties getting something out of the deal, it makes sense.  That is, until the AF bends the guys over...  

How many guys do you think are going to do the early sign up this year now that this is public?

[Bender]

Latest JQP speaking to the early eligible AvB extra year re-up: "It’s about a group of the service’s most fired-up officers extending inadvisable trust to their chain of command, and that chain of command proving their trust inadvisable."

I signed my bonus (only God knows why), fully thinking I could resign upping the amount (during the already contacted years) and if I chose, extending the length of the contract at that new amount...

It was not just early eligibles here...I have no personal input into attempts to renegotiate my agreement, because I haven't yet. I'm not really feeling like dealing with it is even worth the $2,250 after taxes, and I'm not sure exactly how happy I'm going to be when my (new) commitment expires, but things like this conversation make me think it won't be too hard of a transition.

I won't even mind being my buddy's first officer at Delta, Fed Ex, or the other million places there are already at.

I'm going to ing nail that first officer job! It's going to be great, trust me. So great...

Bendy


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[FourFans]

FML.  Here's the link.  Bender beat me to it.

https://www.jqpublicblog.com/bonus-shenanigans-expose-air-forces-lack-progress-pilot-retention/

Edited June 19, 2017 by FourFans130
Lazy forum reading-before-posting.

[LookieRookie]

 

Found this patch in a consignment shop. Any of you old hats around when this first was made?

[Hacker]

40 minutes ago, LookieRookie said:

 

Found this patch in a consignment shop. Any of you old hats around when this first was made?

That is a late 80s/early 90s patch.

[Bergman]

On 6/19/2017 at 1:06 PM, LookieRookie said:

 

Found this patch in a consignment shop. Any of you old hats around when this first was made?

I remember seeing a shitload of those at KRND in 95.

[Duck]

What is the word in the Air Force on people taking the bonus? I noticed something quite odd where the civilian who deals with writing up your AvB can receive emails but cannot correspond with you directly anymore. All correspondence must occur through MyPers.
The AvB civilian probably got his ass handed to him for his tactics last year. "If you don't take the bonus now, it might decrease next year." Then when the deadline approaches, "Oh the bonus window was extended and we wanted to just let you know." The window was extended in my opinion because nobody was taking the bonus.
 

Are you saying "no2bonus". "Donthate" it's just a question. I'm truly trying to "pickyourbattles".


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[Guest]

5 hours ago, Duck said:

Are you saying "no2bonus". "Donthate" it's just a question. I'm truly trying to "pickyourbattles".


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He's not PYB.  Definitely not long-winded enough.  Also, PYB is probably too busy trying to antagonize law enforcement so that they infringe on his rights.

[Gazmo]

 
Found this patch in a consignment shop. Any of you old hats around when this first was made?

So when are we getting more of these made?

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[Guest]

So when are we getting more of these made?

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With the 1 and 2 year options, how many NBAers do you expect there to be? I imagine most people with PCS or training ADSCs past their UPT ADSCs will take a short contract.


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[icohftb]

And how many early takers will there be this year? :)

[Guest]

And how many early takers will there be this year? :)

If it were an option, I would guess very few given the shenanigans of last year's earlies. It's not an option though, so it'll be zero.


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[Homestar]

2 hours ago, ihtfp06 said:

With the 1 and 2 year options, how many NBAers do you expect there to be? I imagine most people with PCS or training ADSCs past their UPT ADSCs will take a short contract.


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 Taking inflation into account I am now making the same as a non-bonus aviator was in the 1990s. So does that make me an honorary nonbonus aviator?

[Wing Sweep]

I took the one year bonus, $30k. Paid in two installments: 25+5.

First installment paid today: $18.75k, so taxed at a 25% rate.  Second install should arrive in the next few weeks.

18 months left before I hit 20 years, so it was a no-brainer. 

From submitting my app to the first chunk of money in the bank was 21 days. 

[Day Man]

39 minutes ago, g2s said:

I took the one year bonus, $30k. Paid in two installments: 25+5.

First installment paid today: $18.75k, so taxed at a 25% rate.  Second install should arrive in the next few weeks.

18 months left before I hit 20 years, so it was a no-brainer. 

From submitting my app to the first chunk of money in the bank was 21 days. 

Gamble invest it all in Titan Medical.

[icohftb]

40 minutes ago, g2s said:

I took the one year bonus, $30k. Paid in two installments: 25+5.

First installment paid today: $18.75k, so taxed at a 25% rate.  Second install should arrive in the next few weeks.

18 months left before I hit 20 years, so it was a no-brainer. 

From submitting my app to the first chunk of money in the bank was 21 days. 

Guard or reserve bonus?

[Wing Sweep]

1 hour ago, icohftb said:

Guard or reserve bonus?

Active duty

[HU&W]

I think the short bonus may exist to give the perception of fixing the bonus take rate.  Take rate was so low...increased take rate 300%; promote now!

[NKAWTG]

1 hour ago, HU&W said:

I think the short bonus may exist to give the perception of fixing the bonus take rate.  Take rate was so low...increased take rate 300%; promote now!

This

 

The report issued on bonus take rates only breaks it down into bonus takers / total eligible.  If they continue it to match previous years, then the 1 year bonus takers will fix the glitch. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, NKAWTG said:

This

 

The report issued on bonus take rates only breaks it down into bonus takers / total eligible.  If they continue it to match previous years, then the 1 year bonus takers will fix the glitch. 

They'll either have to present a breakdown or change their target percentage.  IIRC, HAF's goal is to retain ~65%.  If they start meeting the 65%, while still having a shortage due to guys taking and then bailing after a 1-2 year contract, Congress is going to have a serious wtf chat with leadership.  In the past few years, with the 5 and 9 year options being offered simultaneously, there was less fidelity lost by lumping the two together for reporting purposes.  Not differentiating between a 1-year and a 9-year contract will cause a gross misrepresentation.