Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[FourFans]

32 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

 Not differentiating between a 1-year and a 9-year contract will cause standard USAF metrics.

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[Guest]

Found this in the Personnel Subcommittee's Markup of the 2018 NDAA:

"Section 6XX—Increase in Maximum Amount of Aviation Bonus for 12-Month Period

of Obligated Service

This section would amend section 334(c)(1)(B) of title 37, United States

Code, to increase the statutory limits for the aviation retention bonus to $50,000

and allow the Secretary concerned the flexibility to increase the aviation incentive

pay limit set forth in regulations issued by the Secretary of Defense under section

374 of title 37, United States Code. The Secretary of Defense should revise

applicable regulations as required."

[3PAARO]

4 hours ago, HU&W said:

I think the short bonus may exist to give the perception of fixing the bonus take rate.  Take rate was so low...increased take rate 300%; promote now!

I think the short bonus is a "stop the bleeding" measure. Because it's proven that the AF won't meet long-term retention goals with the 5 or 9 yr bonuses, then the short term bonus hopefully keeps enough dudes around to maintain current readiness, while planning for future force structure. 

[FourFans]

1 hour ago, 3PAARO said:

I think the short bonus is a "stop the bleeding" measure. Because it's proven that the AF won't meet long-term retention goals with the 5 or 9 yr bonuses, then the short term bonus hopefully keeps enough dudes around to maintain current readiness, while planning for future force structure.

I really hope that the leadership knows this won't work.  I am watching entire year groups punch out .  At one base, in one squadron alone, I've heard that 9 of 12 bonus eligibles are separating after their 10 year ADSC...all instructors if the rumor mill is accurate.

[3PAARO]

2 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

I really hope that the leadership knows this won't work.  I am watching entire year groups punch out .  At one base, in one squadron alone, I've heard that 9 of 12 bonus eligibles are separating after their 10 year ADSC...all instructors if the rumor mill is accurate.

I agree it won't work, just stating what I think is the reasoning behind it. We're handing out water wings as the Titanic sinks. 

[MDDieselPilot]

6 hours ago, FourFans130 said:

I really hope that the leadership knows this won't work.  I am watching entire year groups punch out .  At one base, in one squadron alone, I've heard that 9 of 12 bonus eligibles are separating after their 10 year ADSC...all instructors if the rumor mill is accurate.

Truth.. Last time I was at Altus a few years ago my EP kept checking his phone during full stops.  I finally asked him about it and he was waiting to hear if his VSP was approved.  Apparently they had 15 or 20 guys apply in the 58th.  The AF lost some true talent from that pool of IPs.

Edited June 28, 2017 by MDDieselPilot

[Mikey Donuts]

22 hours ago, g2s said:

18 months left before I hit 20 years, so it was a no-brainer. 

Sooo....Afghanistan then?

[neontico]

23 hours ago, g2s said:

I took the one year bonus, $30k. Paid in two installments: 25+5.

First installment paid today: $18.75k, so taxed at a 25% rate.  Second install should arrive in the next few weeks.

18 months left before I hit 20 years, so it was a no-brainer. 

From submitting my app to the first chunk of money in the bank was 21 days. 

Why the two installments as opposed to one? 

[pilotguy]

When this summer does the flight pay raise happen??

[Kenny Powers]

When this summer does the flight pay raise happen??

Anyone have any insight on which year groups will be changed and how much?

I would assume it's only gonna be the over 6 and over 14, since that's the demographic they're targeting for retention.

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[Guest]

Anyone have any insight on which year groups will be changed and how much?

I would assume it's only gonna be the over 6 and over 14, since that's the demographic they're targeting for retention.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see the lower year groups see a bump as well. ACIP is paid to RPA pilots and Army WOs as well, and they don't have a ten-year commitment.


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[Guardian]

When this summer does the flight pay raise happen??

What is this you say? I've heard nothing of this.


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[Guest]

What is this you say? I've heard nothing of this.


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It was mentioned in the AvB announcement:

"The Air Force is also looking at additional monetary incentives for aviation, especially those targeted at mid-career aviators. The fiscal 2017 NDAA provided authorization to increase Aviation Incentive Pay, commonly known as monthly flight pay, which the service plans to increase this summer."


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[pilotguy]

6 minutes ago, ihtfp06 said:

 

It was mentioned in the AvB announcement:

"The Air Force is also looking at additional monetary incentives for aviation, especially those targeted at mid-career aviators. The fiscal 2017 NDAA provided authorization to increase Aviation Incentive Pay, commonly known as monthly flight pay, which the service plans to increase this summer."


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Yep this...why aren't people talking about this?  It's summer now and I haven't heard anything but I hope this happens soon

[Wing Sweep]

23 hours ago, Mikey Donuts said:

Sooo....Afghanistan then?

I'll be posting again if that happens to warn the masses. 

[Wing Sweep]

22 hours ago, neontico said:

Why the two installments as opposed to one? 

Something to do with the pay systems. There was a blurb in the message I received...words, words, words. I didn't care enough to research it. 

[MDDieselPilot]

3 hours ago, pilotguy said:

Yep this...why aren't people talking about this?  It's summer now and I haven't heard anything but I hope this happens soon

Probably because the pay bump for 14 year guys will be less than a typical yearly bump in pay due to inflation, and likely no better for the 6 year level.  I mean, I'll take it, but $160 bump is a fancy dinner somewhere.

 

[Smokin]

Or maybe no one is talking about it because the AF has zero credibility for things like this.  I'll believe it when I see it on my LES and it's more than a $50 pay jump.

[Ram]

Latest from the CAF FB page says that the flight pay bump probably won't happen until October.

They've been talking about this since February, but it's moving at the speed of government I guess.

[Guardian]

No way it happens.


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[FUSEPLUG]

18 minutes ago, Guardian said:

No way it happens.

It better.  I budgeted the financing of my 2018 Maserati based on the goodwill of our leadership and the increase in my flight pay. 

Fingers crossed...

[Karl Hungus]

Flight pay needs to be approximately $1250 (from $650) and $1615 ($840) to correct for inflation since 1990.  

I expect it'll go to around $750 and $1000.  The raise will show us how seriously management is taking this "crisis"...

[Guardian]

What do you mean? We already know they aren't serious by the meager raise in the bonus. And those 10 pilots who told congress that money doesn't matter to them affected the rest of us for the bonus not being more like 50-60k. So what makes you think all of the sudden they will take it serious and increase flight pay?


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[BFM this]

11 hours ago, FUSEPLUG said:

It better.  I budgeted the financing of my 2018 Maserati based on the goodwill of our leadership and the increase in my flight pay. 

Fingers crossed...

I already put money down on our new swimming pool 

[tac airlifter]

31 minutes ago, Guardian said:

And those 10 pilots who told congress that money doesn't matter to them affected the rest of us for the bonus not being more like 50-60k. 

Yea, it's definitely the fault of a few random captains that the AF undervalues pilots.  I'm sure congress was just about to give us 60$k annual bonuses till those guys fucked it up...