Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[jazzdude]

I don't understand how the big blue can seriously lock folks in for 20 as Majors. Title 10 law states you will be discharged if you fail to make rank, unless offered continuation, which the member can decline. AFI also reflects this (but don't expect MPF to explain this to you).
10 U.S. Code § 632 - Effect of failure of selection for promotion:  
"each officer of the Air Force,  on the active-duty list who holds the grade of major, who has failed of selection for promotion to the next higher grade for the second time and whose name is not on a list of officers recommended for promotion to the next higher grade shall be discharged".
 

I think that's probably why they're proposing to delay IPZ for fly only track: IPZ @16 years, 1 ABZ @ 17years. By delaying the board, fly-only majors don't get passed over until later. They're making the bet that people won't bail at 17.5 years when retirement is just one assignment away.

You can't be passed over twice if you never go to the promotion board...

[matmacwc]

Everyone loves a waiver until it comes to something like this......

[ThreeHoler]

I think that's probably why they're proposing to delay IPZ for fly only track: IPZ @16 years, 1 ABZ @ 17years. By delaying the board, fly-only majors don't get passed over until later. They're making the bet that people won't bail at 17.5 years when retirement is just one assignment away.

You can't be passed over twice if you never go to the promotion board...

Except there will be people on BRS and not a lot on the conventional retirement plan that have to make 20 at that point.

[jazzdude]

Except there will be people on BRS and not a lot on the conventional retirement plan that have to make 20 at that point.

40% + Tricare for making it to 20 under BRS still might make enough people reconsider getting out at 17 years. On the other hand, BRS might convince more people to get out at the end of their UPT commitment because they can take their matched TSP with them, making this discussion a moot point.

[Herkasaurus]

On 2/6/2018 at 12:59 PM, matmacwc said:

Stan Evil and Chief of safety are used as holding grounds for future CC’s on active duty, doubt a flying only dude would get it.

I’ve seen plenty Chiefs of Safety in the CC holding pattern, but never in stan/eval. Have the stan/eval future CCs been worth a shit as opposed to the Safety, or is it all the same level of CYA and inability to make a decision that we’ve come to expect of a typical Sq/CC?

[FourFans]

3 hours ago, jazzdude said:

BRS might convince more people to get out at the end of their UPT commitment

This.  Why would any pilot on the BRS look at their potential in the private sector/airlines and NOT get out after their UPT ADSC?

[Saskwatch]

FY19 Air Force budget request.  Page 43-44 has justification for funds for the AvB.  

https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/Portals/84/documents/FY19/MILPERS/Air Force Military Personnel FY19.pdf?ver=2018-02-12-182919-800

[flyusaf83]

Wow... a single tear is falling down my cheek.  Not a single 11R last year took the devil’s money (long term bonus).  

 

 

[HeloDude]

1 hour ago, Saskwatch said:

FY19 Air Force budget request.  Page 43-44 has justification for funds for the AvB.  

https://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/Portals/84/documents/FY19/MILPERS/Air Force Military Personnel FY19.pdf?ver=2018-02-12-182919-800

According to the link, it doesn't raise the bonus above $35K, unless I read it incorrectly?

[i.o.w.a]

I agree it still says $35k for 2019.

If I'm reading it correctly, it also says that CGOs at Klamath falls in the 173rd get $400 a month for "assignment incentive pay", and that this year they are starting the same thing for Creech. Can anyone confirm that the Air Force is paying people extra money for these assignments, beyond whatever adjustments BAH covers?  

[Danger41]

Holy shit, send me to Klamath and I’ll take only $300 extra a month. That place isn’t in the same galaxy as Creech. Klamath is awesome!

[MooseAg03]

I agree it still says $35k for 2019.
If I'm reading it correctly, it also says that CGOs at Klamath falls in the 173rd get $400 a month for "assignment incentive pay", and that this year they are starting the same thing for Creech. Can anyone confirm that the Air Force is paying people extra money for these assignments, beyond whatever adjustments BAH covers?  

I’ll gladly take back pay for my Creech assignment. $400/mo would have been over $20k. Now it just makes me even angrier and want to separate even more. AIP ended right before I got there and now that I’ve left it’s coming back. Damn you Air Force.

[Snuggie]

On 2/18/2018 at 10:50 AM, i.o.w.a said:

If I'm reading it correctly, it also says that CGOs at Klamath falls in the 173rd get $400 a month for "assignment incentive pay", and that this year they are starting the same thing for Creech. Can anyone confirm that the Air Force is paying people extra money for these assignments, beyond whatever adjustments BAH covers?  

I remember when AIP went away the first time at Creech. Leadership's line was that we built a dining hall, you have a gas station and gym, so you don't need it anymore. And by the way it will save the AF a million dollars a month by stopping it.

I don't think the extra $400 a month is going to change my stay/go calculation but I'll take the money. 

[FlyinGrunt]

"AFSOC Air Operations Flight Assignment Incentive Pay - Authorized by Title 37 U.S.C., Section 352 and the Secretary of the Air Force for personnel assigned to HQ AF Special Operations Command unit (PAS Code BP0VFX3H), assigned to UMD identified operator positions, and have successfully completed the unit's required initial training course. Paid at $750/month for personnel who have a post-training cumulative unit assignment time of less than 36 months; and $1000/month for personnel who have a post-training cumulative unit assignment time of 36 months or more."

 

Umm, surely I'm missing something here.  Are we paying people on the staff, people in some secret squirrel unit, or everybody?  

[ThreeHoler]

The PAS code decides to a specific unit. Have to use the secret decoder ring on AFPC secure. My bet is it is “datamasked.”

[FourFans]

"The Air Force takes a balanced approach to maintain core capabilities and is committed to providing the competitive military compensation necessary to recruit and retain high quality and experienced Airmen..."

Is this a satire document? 

Edited February 20, 2018 by FourFans130
internet skills

[pawnman]

On 2/11/2018 at 10:42 PM, Herkasaurus said:

I’ve seen plenty Chiefs of Safety in the CC holding pattern, but never in stan/eval. Have the stan/eval future CCs been worth a shit as opposed to the Safety, or is it all the same level of CYA and inability to make a decision that we’ve come to expect of a typical Sq/CC?

I've often seen both used as a holding pattern for a guy who never made commander and is now waiting out retirement. Could go either way.

[HeloDude]

3 hours ago, pawnman said:

I've often seen both used as a holding pattern for a guy who never made commander and is now waiting out retirement. Could go either way.

Chief of Safety is designed to be a Sq CC/DO or a former Sq CC. The AF did this on purpose because they wanted someone who wouldn't go ROAD running the Safety program/have someone who is a peer with the flying Sq CCs.

AFI91-202

2.1.1.1. Active duty military COS will be selected from a current or previous Squadron Commander/Director of Operations/Chief of Safety list; or be a former Squadron Commander. MAJCOM/CV or above has waiver authority for this requirement. (T-2) 

 

[akang2006]

Finally got my CMS case (18 Jan 2018) for AvIP adjudicated. Despite the DFAS pay table showing $1K/mo available for over 10 years aviation service, DFAS abides by the Oct 2017 AF memo showing $700/mo. USAF is leaving $300/mo on the table when it could pay the $1K. No reason, just cause. 

DFAS updated the 2018 pay tables to reflect that services may elect to pay less. That statement wasn’t in the initial release from DFAS in early 2018. 

[SocialD]

29 minutes ago, akang2006 said:

Finally got my CMS case (18 Jan 2018) for AvIP adjudicated. Despite the DFAS pay table showing $1K/mo available for over 10 years aviation service, DFAS abides by the Oct 2017 AF memo showing $700/mo. USAF is leaving $300/mo on the table when it could pay the $1K. No reason, just cause. 

DFAS updated the 2018 pay tables to reflect that services may elect to pay less. That statement wasn’t in the initial release from DFAS in early 2018. 

And if you're a DSG (even if you happen to be on orders), you're still being paid the old rate ($650 for me).  

[akang2006]

AFRC has allegedly released their 2018 pilot bonus to include ARTs. Any word on ANG?

[Trogdor]

7 hours ago, akang2006 said:

AFRC has allegedly released their 2018 pilot bonus to include ARTs. Any word on ANG?

Funny....AD doesn't have one yet.  I know three '06 guys in my squadron alone that have already separated with never being offered a bonus once, with a fourth to separate soon.  '06 year group never got an early offer like the year groups before.  So, I guess retention is a high priority among those on high.  I know... I know... the bonus is a little more complicated than a wing king just throwing out money.  Or maybe, those even higher up realize those that will stay, will stay regardless of a bonus... so it doesn't really matter when they drop AD bonus?   

[Termy]

We’ve reached a point where th bonus isn’t offered until over halfway through the fiscal year. Absolutely unacceptable. I’ve heard it is because of the continuing resolutions but I think that’s a shallow excuse. No one could attach the bonuses to the military spending that has professed uninterrupted?

 

[LookieRookie]

RUMINT/more than: The bonus/flight pay is going away and to be replaced with professional pay FY20 ala doctors.

VCSAF briefed it to UPT IPs at RND last Friday and the proposal was "approved" by SECAF the week prior, now it needs congressional approval.

The pay never deceases with TAFSC unlike flight pay. You keep it as long as youre a core 11x no matter what the billet. It's tied to industry compensation and the algorithm is ran yearly.  So if the economy tanks, the pay tanks. The example (separate from VCSAF) given was a major at the end of his UPT ADSC would be making around $6K PER Month additional right now.

Edited April 21, 2018 by LookieRookie
Clarified per month

[Guardian]

RUMINT/more than: The bonus/flight pay is going away and to be replaced with professional pay FY20 ala doctors.
VCSAF briefed it to UPT IPs at RND last Friday and the proposal was "approved" by SECAF the week prior, now it needs congressional approval.
The pay never deceases with TAFSC unlike flight pay. You keep it as long as youre a core 11x no matter what the billet. It's tied to industry compensation and the algorithm is ran yearly.  So if the economy tanks, the pay tanks. The example (separate from VCSAF) given was a major at the end of his UPT ADSC would be making around $6K additional right now.

6k a year instead of 25-35k? What about those on the bonus?