Danger41 Posted July 12, 2018 Posted July 12, 2018 Every eligible CSO/WSO that I know is taking this bonus (which was long overdue). I find it hilarious because I keep hearing “it’s not about the money” for pilots. This is a case study of you offer more money, you get qualified people to stay. I understand that CSO’s aren’t going to the airlines, but it is interesting. 1
HeloDude Posted July 12, 2018 Posted July 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Danger41 said: Every eligible CSO/WSO that I know is taking this bonus (which was long overdue). Sounds to me that I know who is going to be hit with all these "Any LAF O-5 365 volunteer request emails" we keep on seeing lol.
pawnman Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 6 hours ago, HeloDude said: Sounds to me that I know who is going to be hit with all these "Any LAF O-5 365 volunteer request emails" we keep on seeing lol. Your bonus status isn't tied to your eligibility for a 365. Just deploy for at least 45 days every 5 years and it should keep you off the top of the list. I'd be curious to see which would win out in my community...the 365, or the functional refusing to release someone due to the Rated Staff Allocation Plan (or whatever it's called now)
Sprkt69 Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 41 minutes ago, pawnman said: Your bonus status isn't tied to your eligibility for a 365. Just deploy for at least 45 days every 5 years and it should keep you off the top of the list. I'd be curious to see which would win out in my community...the 365, or the functional refusing to release someone due to the Rated Staff Allocation Plan (or whatever it's called now) That almost seems to be a question of “officially”, or “un-officially”. Holloman is “un-officially” manned primarily by people who cannot say no
pawnman Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Sprkt69 said: That almost seems to be a question of “officially”, or “un-officially”. Holloman is “un-officially” manned primarily by people who cannot say no Ah, but is that because they choose people with an ADSC to go there, or because anyone without an ADSC says "thanks, but no thanks" and refuses the assignment?
ViperStud Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 3 hours ago, pawnman said: Ah, but is that because they choose people with an ADSC to go there, or because anyone without an ADSC says "thanks, but no thanks" and refuses the assignment? The latter happened first, so they turned to the former.
IDALPHA Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 9 hours ago, pawnman said: Your bonus status isn't tied to your eligibility for a 365. Just deploy for at least 45 days every 5 years and it should keep you off the top of the list. I think the status is going to make the choice between a pilot who hasn’t stayed on the 45 day/5 year cycle and is past their ADSC vs. Nav that has but took the bonus a clean kill for AFPC.
HeloDude Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 12 hours ago, pawnman said: Your bonus status isn't tied to your eligibility for a 365. Just deploy for at least 45 days every 5 years and it should keep you off the top of the list. I'd be curious to see which would win out in my community...the 365, or the functional refusing to release someone due to the Rated Staff Allocation Plan (or whatever it's called now) You bonus is tied to you not being able to get out when you're vulnerable for a 365...and last I heard, there isn't a "Nav crisis" lol. As for your assertion that a 45 day deployment gets you to the bottom of the list of a 365...I have a bridge I would love to sell you.
matmacwc Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 Do the CSO's stay due to the private sector job prospects or because they have it good?
pawnman Posted July 13, 2018 Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, matmacwc said: Do the CSO's stay due to the private sector job prospects or because they have it good? Well, there's certainly no one-for-one job equivalent that pays $250k/year.
SFG Posted July 14, 2018 Posted July 14, 2018 Problem solved! ""Sometimes instead of trying to create more aircrew, if we create more support personnel or keep the aircrew we have healthy, we can get more production out of" fewer people, Koscheski told Air Force Magazine." https://www.businessinsider.com/air-force-progressing-on-pilot-shortage-but-struggling-with-training-2018-7 1
ViperMan Posted July 14, 2018 Posted July 14, 2018 "The lack of instructors has led some training squadrons to implement stop-gap measures and compensate in other ways in order to use their limited resources in the most efficient way. The 56th Fighter Wing at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona found out last summer it would only get 13 of the 26 F-16 instructor pilots it requested. Rather than spread the pain, the wing commander sent 12 of the new instructors to the 54th Fighter Group at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, which will take over F-16 training as the 56th shifts to F-35 training operations." Finally, a meaningful #1/13...
ViperMan Posted July 14, 2018 Posted July 14, 2018 "The 56th Fighter Wing at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona found out last summer it would only get 13 of the 26 F-16 instructor pilots it requested. Rather than spread the pain, the wing commander sent 12 of the new instructors to the 54th Fighter Group at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, which will take over F-16 training as the 56th shifts to F-35 training operations." Finally, a meaningful #1/13. Just remember boys, there's no points for second place.
Smokin Posted July 15, 2018 Posted July 15, 2018 That's assuming the wing king didn't just send them at random. Also, wouldn't that be a second PCS and require a waiver that HAF level? Wonder if any of the 12 then 7-day'd that new wonderful location and only made the problem that much worse.
Fuzz Posted July 20, 2018 Posted July 20, 2018 https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/07/20/so-you-wanna-fly-air-force-pilots-can-apply-to-new-aviation-only-program/
xaarman Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 I don't have access to MyPers anymore... does the PSDM allow the service member any tools to shield them from the BS?
Guest Posted July 21, 2018 Posted July 21, 2018 I don't have access to MyPers anymore... does the PSDM allow the service member any tools to shield them from the BS?In typical AF fashion it’s either not posted yet or buried somewhere unfindable.
Guest Posted July 27, 2018 Posted July 27, 2018 Have they published the current take rates? I can’t seem to find the AFPC static reports anymore.
Swizzle Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 19 hours ago, ihtfp06 said: Have they published the current take rates? I can’t seem to find the AFPC static reports anymore. Me either...but the promotion rates say it all, especially the APZ rate this O4 board
SFG Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Swizzle said: Me either...but the promotion rates say it all, especially the APZ rate this O4 board What were they?
war007afa Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 On 7/27/2018 at 10:51 PM, ihtfp06 said: Have they published the current take rates? I can’t seem to find the AFPC static reports anymore. Number I just saw via a mass email stated around 23% with a quick window closure on the horizon. Bets on updates PSDM offering more time?
Guest Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 Number I just saw via a mass email stated around 23% with a quick window closure on the horizon. Bets on updates PSDM offering more time?There are two months left. I doubt they extend it. 23% seems high.
Champ Kind Posted July 29, 2018 Posted July 29, 2018 There are two months left. I doubt they extend it. 23% seems high. The 100% of navs takers are probably raising the average.
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