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[Right Seat Driver]

The MAF Facebook page shows 2002 YG and earlier O-5s “hot” for 365s. It shows 2007 YG and earlier O-4a “hot.”

Fence in accordingly.


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Is this based on YG or STRDs?


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[icohftb]

Are those for people w/ 0 short tours?

[Bender]

Is this based on YG or STRDs?

 

 

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They don't want you to know.

 

Edit: seriously though, it's STRD + short tours; YG just happens to kinda jive with STRD, ish, a little.

[Bender]

Are those for people w/ 0 short tours?

They'll never tell you that.

[Homestar]

1 hour ago, icohftb said:

Are those for people w/ 0 short tours?

Yes. Usually. 

[pawnman]

2 hours ago, Bender said:

 

They don't want you to know.

 

Edit: seriously though, it's STRD + short tours; YG just happens to kinda jive with STRD, ish, a little.

Well, that makes me feel a little more secure with two short tours and a return date in 2012.

[ThreeHoler]

Is this based on YG or STRDs?


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Sorry, you’re right STRD in those years. Typing while in line at the grocery checkout will get ya every time.

[NKAWTG]

That doesn't protect you from the short notice 180.  Completely the wing commander's decision on who goes. 

[Disco_Nav963]

1 hour ago, pawnman said:

Well, that makes me feel a little more secure with two short tours and a return date in 2012.

Might need to jump on one sooner to negotiate your way out of Dyess! Otherwise they might keep you at the FTU until you're hot for one.

[brabus]

You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines.  Run!

[Buddy Spike]

56 minutes ago, brabus said:

You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines.  Run!

The Navy Reserve does.  And the Guard/Reserve have already seen a few of those.  

[DirtyFlightSuit]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines.  Run!

Our T-6 Reservist are getting tagged for 179s as well, I believe they have broken up a few into 90s but there is no guarantee.  Getting a Reserve gig may be a nice hold over until your established in Airlines but long term I'm not sure they will be able to retain very soon.  Too much AD bullshit seeping into Reserves from what I am seeing.  

[SocialD]

40 minutes ago, Buddy Spike said:

The Navy Reserve does.  And the Guard/Reserve have already seen a few of those.  

I have yet to see a guard PILOT get involuntarily, individually mobilized to a 179/365...only Reserve pilots.  I'm not saying it hasn't happened or those days aren't coming, just that I haven't seen it yet in the ANG.  I think leadership is smart enough to grasp the reality of the mass exodus that would happen after the first one.  Either way, this is just another reason why I'll always recommend the Guard over the Reserves to all my buddies leaving AD.

[Eli]

1 hour ago, brabus said:

You know who doesn't do forced 365s or useless 179s...the guard and the airlines.  Run!

Not entirely true. C130 units are getting tagged with Afghan Air Advisor. We sent three people. Our leadership lucked out that they were volunteers, two of them anyway, one had an ADSC so they voluntold him. It's not just a 179. You have to learn Army, so that is another couple of months. 

Had leadership had to make a list and start asking -those who said no would have been shown the door. My estimate is we would have lost 20-30% of instructors across each crew position.

I'm in a guard unit.

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[Buddy Spike]

3 minutes ago, SocialD said:

I have yet to see a guard PILOT get involuntarily, individually mobilized to a 179/365...only Reserve pilots.  I'm not saying it hasn't happened or those days aren't coming, just that I haven't seen it yet in the ANG.  I think leadership is smart enough to grasp the reality of the mass exodus that would happen after the first one.  Either way, this is just another reason why I'll always recommend the Guard over the Reserves to all my buddies leaving AD.

I don't know of any personally, but I've heard of them from folks at A3.  The Guard actually ended up with more than the Reserves.  

 

[SocialD]

1 hour ago, Eli said:

Not entirely true. C130 units are getting tagged with Afghan Air Advisor. We sent three people. Our leadership lucked out that they were volunteers, two of them anyway, one had an ADSC so they voluntold him. It's not just a 179. You have to learn Army, so that is another couple of months. 

Had leadership had to make a list and start asking -those who said no would have been shown the door. My estimate is we would have lost 20-30% of instructors across each crew position.

I'm in a guard unit.

Funny enough, I was just about to edit my post and mention the C-130 Afghan stuff, but I had only seen it happen in the Reserves.  Me thinks if you drill down a bit, you may find this more of an offering by your local, senior leadership than a mandated requirement sent down from above.  Kinda like when Montgomery was "forced" into a 6 month deployment to Afghanistan...

If this happened here, I'll bet that 20-30% would be a fairly low number.  We already have a fair number of guys barely hanging on after the last few "deployments" we've had to go fly CT missions half way around the globe.

 

1 hour ago, Buddy Spike said:

I don't know of any personally, but I've heard of them from folks at A3.  The Guard actually ended up with more than the Reserves.  

Interesting, I'll have to ping a bro up at NGB...I would be interested to see the numbers, communities and how many were actually volunteers.  I'm guessing if it had happened in my community we'd know about it asap as bad news spreads like a wildfire.

Edited December 29, 2018 by SocialD

[pawnman]

8 hours ago, Disco_Nav963 said:

Might need to jump on one sooner to negotiate your way out of Dyess! Otherwise they might keep you at the FTU until you're hot for one.

I just need 45 days deployed to stave one off for five years.

Plus, with two under my belt already, there are plenty of other folks that will be more hot for them.

[herkbum]

The Navy Reserve does.  And the Guard/Reserve have already seen a few of those.  

Almost 27 years in ANG and I’ve never seen this happen.



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[ThreeHoler]

I just need 45 days deployed to stave one off for five years.

Until Fingers is replaced. Or until every other eligible person there has deployed for at least 45 days...then it is right back to STRD and # of short tours (listing 2 short tours...you’re probably ok). But I would caution anyone who is counting on the current policy to save them.

[pawnman]

33 minutes ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

Until Fingers is replaced. Or until every other eligible person there has deployed for at least 45 days...then it is right back to STRD and # of short tours (listing 2 short tours...you’re probably ok). But I would caution anyone who is counting on the current policy to save them.

 

Given the fact that I'm at the FTU, there are a long list of people who have not deployed for 45 days as recently as I have.
As for the 179s...I'm totally willing to jump on one of those.  Six months isn't a bad deal compared to a 365, especially if I can go to the Deid instead of Asscrackistan.

[icohftb]

10 hours ago, ThreeHoler said:

 

Sorry, you’re right STRD in those years. Typing while in line at the grocery checkout will get ya every time.

 

So many of those individuals are people who have never gone remote. 02 year group o5s would have pinned on last year or so.

[olevelo]

I just need 45 days deployed to stave one off for five years.

Plus, with two under my belt already, there are plenty of other folks that will be more hot for them.

It was changed from 45 to 60 or 90. Can't remember which because there was so much confusion over it. But its definitely not 45 anymore.

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[hindsight2020]

The ARC? Let me put it to y'all this way. We're losing people over flu shots, SG gatekeeper fucketry, and OBOGS. And that's before they added that individual INVOL mob bullshit grenade. LOL it's total chaos. Leadership says we're good though, mainly because we have the last remaining bastion of lost decade guys finishing active duty retirements, taking these on a voluntary basis.  But that pot is drying up right quick. 

Oh and the cherry on top: Turns out AFRC actually volunteered to cover these rent-seeking CENTCOM nonner IAs. You cannot make this shit up.

This job should be enviable. Leave it to the ARC to fvck up a two car funeral. If my wife hadn't got sick, as much as I hate admitting it, no doubt I too would have punched to Cat-E Shangri-La, go sit short call in MIA over a plato of arroz congrí with a goddamn smile on my face. And I don't even like flying airliners mind you...the hassles and nonner antics are outta hand. 

[SocialD]

44 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said:

The ARC? Let me put it to y'all this way. We're losing people over flu shots, SG gatekeeper fucketry, and OBOGS. And that's before they added that individual INVOL mob bullshit grenade. LOL it's total chaos. Leadership says we're good though, mainly because we have the last remaining bastion of lost decade guys finishing active duty retirements, taking these on a voluntary basis.  But that pot is drying up right quick. 

This right here!  We've already hit the last few guys who had any hope of getting close to an AGR retirement, and some of them aren't even chasing it.  We have some who are still under their ADSC who'd likely come back if the could get the bonus.  But alas, we can't think outside the container and give bonuses to guys under their ADSC...

If there was even a hint of possible 365, leadership wouldn't even have to show guys the door.  All they would  see is the doors swinging closed as a shit ton of their experience walked right out.

 

44 minutes ago, hindsight2020 said:

Oh and the cherry on top: Turns out AFRC actually volunteered to cover these rent-seeking CENTCOM nonner IAs. You cannot make this shit up.

Yup!  On one of our TSPs we had a pilots only sit down with Welsh...we asked about why we were doing these non-contingency (read: proper fucking).  His response, your TAGs asked for it...  I have a strong feeling that the INVOLs Eli and Buddy Spike are referencing are the same.

[herkbum]

We, as ANG, have to make sure the TAGs know that the ARNG and ANG are different. Most TAGs are Army and don’t understand the ANG and don’t care to learn (which is a shame). The ATAG has to be a vocal advocate. Your ANG pilots will walk if they are involuntarily sent somewhere. As I said earlier, I haven’t seen it happen yet, but I know too many bros that stay onboard because they control their own fate. Take that away and they are gone. Not worth the hassle.


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