MCO Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Why would I not just sign a 3 year bonus and then sign another bonus in 3 years when it has possibly gone up? Is there something I’m missing? 2
ThreeHoler Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 Until recently you were ineligible for a second bonus after taking one. (Yes, I know before 2001 there were 2nd bonuses to keep people in).Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app 1
MCO Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 1 minute ago, ThreeHoler said: Until recently you were ineligible for a second bonus after taking one. (Yes, I know before 2001 there were 2nd bonuses to keep people in). Sent from my iPhone using Baseops Network mobile app So now you can get a second bonus? 1
SFG Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 43 minutes ago, MCO said: So now you can get a second bonus? Current offering is on MyPers, however, past performance does not indicate future performance. It’s always a gamble.
Shazaam Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, MCO said: So now you can get a second bonus? I signed a 2 year bonus in 2017. They offered me a second bonus this year. I decided to PCS one more time and signed a 3 year deal. I was planning on being a free agent, but that would be dumb if I don't take take the money. Edited June 4, 2019 by Shazaam 1
FLEA Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Shazaam said: I signed a 2 year bonus in 2017. They offered me a second bonus this year. I decided to PCS one more time and signed a 3 year deal. I was planning on being a free agent, but that would be dumb if I don't take take the money. I feel like stringing people along 2-3 years at a time would be a better strategy than the current lump sum. Right now they are only targeting people who are willing to go all in. If I had the chance to play assignment dice between each bonus I would probably stick around a bit longer. Who knows. I find most people are very hesitant though to sign another 9 year commitment after having already felt battered from the 10 year one they just got out of. 1
Shazaam Posted June 4, 2019 Posted June 4, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, FLEA said: I feel like stringing people along 2-3 years at a time would be a better strategy than the current lump sum. Right now they are only targeting people who are willing to go all in. If I had the chance to play assignment dice between each bonus I would probably stick around a bit longer. Who knows. I find most people are very hesitant though to sign another 9 year commitment after having already felt battered from the 10 year one they just got out of. Had a young captain ask me about signing a 9 year bonus. I told him I wouldn't sign a 9 year bonus because the needs, wants, and desires of your family may change. You don't want to be trapped. He probably signed up for 9 more years. Same guy who decided to pay for lap dances by using his GPC to get cash from the gentleman's club ATM. He thought the wife wouldn't find out. She found out because he can never go TDY. He had just gotten married! Edited June 4, 2019 by Shazaam 2
Hunter Rose Posted June 10, 2019 Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) The AF should just lower the bonus commitment to 1-2 years. Then it would essentially be "Pro Pay" without having to call it that, since they are incapable of convincing Congress there's a problem. It would at least help the crew force think leadership is trying. Of course, that assumes Big AF actually gives a crap about trying to fix the problem, which we all know they don't. They've been studying the problem with little to no actual action for what...5 YEARS now? At this stage in my career, with eyes wide open about how much Big AF appreciates me, I'm essentially a mercenary. I still like flying for the AF though. If they would let that Voluntary Retired Return to Active Duty Program be bonus eligible, I'd sign up for four more years through that. Edited June 10, 2019 by Hunter Rose 1
FLEA Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Hunter Rose said: Big AF actually gives a crap about trying to fix the problem, which we all know they don't. They've been studying the problem with little to no actual action for what...5 YEARS now? We all know it takes 15 years for the Air Force Indecision Cycle. Look at Light Attack Fighter. If we discuss the problem until it goes away we never have to solve it.
pawnman Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Hunter Rose said: The AF should just lower the bonus commitment to 1-2 years. Then it would essentially be "Pro Pay" without having to call it that, since they are incapable of convincing Congress there's a problem. It would at least help the crew force think leadership is trying. Of course, that assumes Big AF actually gives a crap about trying to fix the problem, which we all know they don't. They've been studying the problem with little to no actual action for what...5 YEARS now? At this stage in my career, with eyes wide open about how much Big AF appreciates me, I'm essentially a mercenary. I still like flying for the AF though. If they would let that Voluntary Retired Return to Active Duty Program be bonus eligible, I'd sign up for four more years through that. Didn't they do a one year bonus for a little while recently?
Bigred Posted June 11, 2019 Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, FLEA said: We all know it takes 15 years for the Air Force Indecision Cycle. Look at Light Attack Fighter. If we discuss the problem until it goes away we never have to solve it. That’s sorta like the telephone on my desk at work. If I wait long enough, it’ll just stop ringing. 1
HeloDude Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 On June 10, 2019 at 8:11 PM, Bigred said: That’s sorta like the telephone on my desk at work. If I wait long enough, it’ll just stop ringing. You're a functional at AFPC? Cool--what branch? 2 4 2
Shazaam Posted June 12, 2019 Posted June 12, 2019 On 6/10/2019 at 7:41 PM, pawnman said: Didn't they do a one year bonus for a little while recently? I think that was in 2017. I signed up for a 2 year bonus that year. It felt good almost being a free agent this year. 2
Bigred Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Senate just finished markup of the FY-20 budget. Hopefully some nuggets of info makes it way out what was recommended for bonuses.
Guest Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Senate just finished markup of the FY-20 budget. Hopefully some nuggets of info makes it way out what was recommended for bonuses. Based on what BGen Short said a few weeks ago when he visited, I would guess no changes. The other services aren’t in favor of any increase at this time. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
osulax05 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Section 611 of the Senate version simply authorizes payment at the current rate. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/BILLS-116s1790rs/pdf/BILLS-116s1790rs.pdf
Gazmo Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 I doubt they'll change anything. Afterall, they fixed the problem by opening the floodgates to UPT and trimming down the curriculum to reduce washouts.
Sprkt69 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Gazmo said: I doubt they'll change anything. Afterall, they fixed the problem by opening the floodgates to UPT and trimming down the curriculum to reduce washouts. Haven’t you heard, pilot shortage and retention issues are leveling off. https://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June 2019/Goldfein-Pilot-Shortage-Retention-Issues-Leveling-Off.aspx 1
Gazmo Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 Haven’t you heard, pilot shortage and retention issues are leveling off. https://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June 2019/Goldfein-Pilot-Shortage-Retention-Issues-Leveling-Off.aspxRrrrrrrriiiiight....
viper154 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Sprkt69 said: Haven’t you heard, pilot shortage and retention issues are leveling off. https://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June 2019/Goldfein-Pilot-Shortage-Retention-Issues-Leveling-Off.aspx Good to hear. More airline and contractor jobs for the rest of us.
pawnman Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Sprkt69 said: Haven’t you heard, pilot shortage and retention issues are leveling off. https://www.airforcemag.com/Features/Pages/2019/June 2019/Goldfein-Pilot-Shortage-Retention-Issues-Leveling-Off.aspx Is that because everyone eligible to bail already has?
Swizzle Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 UPT production numbers aren't where they publically stated they should be, but they've risen slightly. Don't think the former is the cause (read: luck), maybe just slightly retention influenced however UAV production #s on the other hand seem to have spiked upwards. To AFPC a pilot is a pilot is a UAV pilot is a # on a spreadsheet
viper154 Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Swizzle said: UPT production numbers aren't where they publically stated they should be, but they've risen slightly. Don't think the former is the cause (read: luck), maybe just slightly retention influenced however UAV production #s on the other hand seem to have spiked upwards. To AFPC a pilot is a pilot is a UAV pilot is a # on a spreadsheet Ya, unfortunately the UAV pilot product hitting the line was rather sub par. Basic airmanship, decision making etc, their syllabus was already lacking, it was evident they were just pushing people to meet the numbers the last year or two. I left drones a bit ago, but sub par UPT product seems to be a complaint amongst the instructors in the manned plane b course I am currently in. Hats off to them, they been doing extra work and doing a lot of extra rides to get guys up to standard and passable for a checkride, but it backed up the course and strained resources. Lucky if I get 1 event every 10 days or so. Edited June 14, 2019 by viper154
Sprkt69 Posted June 14, 2019 Posted June 14, 2019 3 hours ago, pawnman said: Is that because everyone eligible to bail already has? People can’t leave if you never made them in the first place. Besides, my guess is lower level Bob’s are feeding upper level Bob’s some BS 4
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