Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[DuckHunter]

More waiting…

[General Chang]

  On 3/1/2023 at 1:51 AM, DuckHunter said:

More waiting…

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$50K is a lot of money, young peeps.  I recommend you sign early.

[CaptainMorgan]

  On 3/1/2023 at 4:22 AM, General Chang said:

$50K is a lot of money, young peeps.  I recommend you sign early.

$50k is a lot compared to the stop-loss pay you’ll get if this China shit warms up.


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[Duck]

Any idea on what the ANG is going to do? Will it be similar and when do they typically release it?


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[brabus]

  On 3/1/2023 at 4:22 AM, General Chang said:

$50K is a lot of money, young peeps.  I recommend you sign early.

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It’s nothing compared to the total loss of earnings they’ll experience if they delay getting out. Need at least $100k to be in the ballpark. Now for those who are going to stay in anyways, fuck yeah you should grab that money. 

[brabus]

  On 3/1/2023 at 3:34 PM, Duck said:

Any idea on what the ANG is going to do? Will it be similar and when do they typically release it?


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The ANG will offer the tiered approach, and is shooting for $50k/yr for one of the higher commitment periods (maybe 4+ years?) That is not approved yet to my knowledge. So checks in the mail. Probably will come out within the next 60 days. 

[Lord Ratner]

  On 3/1/2023 at 4:22 AM, General Chang said:

$50K is a lot of money, young peeps.  I recommend you sign early.

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[DuckHunter]

  On 3/2/2023 at 1:02 PM, Lord Ratner said:

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Hahaha, I just came here to post that!

[FourFans]

FilthyLiar Disappears...Chang Reappears...   Coincidence?

[DirkDiggler]

  On 3/2/2023 at 1:48 PM, FourFans130 said:

FilthyLiar Disappears...Chang Reappears...   Coincidence?

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It’s just Bashi’s alternate troll account.

[jice]

So just to recap: A1 looked at the numbers and said “the only way we have a chance of making an effective bonus at this price point is to trick them before they’re old/wise enough to have considered the implications of their decisions.”

A flat bonus is a blunt instrument and a small flat bonus is a small blunt instrument. If you’re coercively using small blunt instruments… well let’s just say that’s not operating in good faith.

I hope this saved a shitty labor economist from mowing lawns, but the reality is I doubt any were consulted. 

[litercola2]

  On 3/1/2023 at 4:22 AM, General Chang said:

$50K is a lot of money, young peeps.  I recommend you sign early.

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Meh....this month, a certain air line is going to pay out nearly double that to any pilot that has been on the property for more than a 3 or 4 years....without ever having to have leave with your family cancelled, being forced to move every 3 years, or be scolded by somebody named Chief for leaning back on your chair in the chow hall because it's a "fire hazard...."  

[filthy_liar]

  On 3/2/2023 at 1:48 PM, FourFans130 said:

FilthyLiar Disappears...Chang Reappears...   Coincidence?

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Nonsense.  That Chang dude does not drink nearly enough to accurately impersonate me.

[WheelsOff]

…In other news, Delta pilots just voted in their new TA and set a new standard for the rest of the industry.

[jice]

  On 3/3/2023 at 1:51 AM, WheelsOff said:

…In other news, Delta pilots just voted in their new TA and set a new standard for the rest of the industry.

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And oh by the way… they’ve also got a CJO for you 2 years prior to your separation date… so, yeah. 

[hindsight2020]

  On 3/3/2023 at 2:49 AM, jice said:

And oh by the way… they’ve also got a CJO for you 2 years prior to your separation date… so, yeah. 

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And? What I mean is, by that metric, Walmart has a CJO for me 2 years from separation date too, and I don't even have to apply for that one. It's not the draw you think it is.

Now, let me sit day one of indoc on personal leave, grab that line number and come back in 2 years, now you got my attention.

 

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[Danger41]

  On 3/3/2023 at 2:49 AM, jice said:

And oh by the way… they’ve also got a CJO for you 2 years prior to your separation date… so, yeah. 

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1 year from separation (validated) and 2 years from retirement. How they tell the difference…no clue.

[jice]

  On 3/3/2023 at 4:42 AM, hindsight2020 said:

And? What I mean is, by that metric, Walmart has a CJO for me 2 years from separation date too, and I don't even have to apply for that one. It's not the draw you think it is.

Now, let me sit day one of indoc on personal leave, grab that line number and come back in 2 years, now you got my attention.

 

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That’s true, and totally agree re: the second point. But a CJO is better than absolute uncertainty. “You’re not the weird guy nobody will hire” is probably enough for a lot of folks who haven’t seen their kids in 6 months. Having a (conditional) answer to the wife’s “when are we going to be done with this BS and start the airline life” might be worth dozens of thousands of future dollars… depending on the wife. 

[CaptainMorgan]

  On 3/3/2023 at 5:00 AM, Danger41 said:

1 year from separation (validated) and 2 years from retirement. How they tell the difference…no clue.

I’m guessing 18 AD years with no break in service is a good indicator of being within 2 years of retirement eligibility?


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[tac airlifter]

  On 3/3/2023 at 4:42 AM, hindsight2020 said:

And? What I mean is, by that metric, Walmart has a CJO for me 2 years from separation date too, and I don't even have to apply for that one. It's not the draw you think it is.

Now, let me sit day one of indoc on personal leave, grab that line number and come back in 2 years, now you got my attention.

 

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I did indoc on personal leave, got a line number and waited a few months for SIMs before starting terminal.  Not at Delta though, they're hard up about it.

A big draw to early CJO is that some people will be less competitive immediately before separation due to loss of currency 12 months earlier.  The AF has been known to fuck people getting out by taking them off the line. 

[hindsight2020]

  On 3/3/2023 at 2:59 PM, tac airlifter said:

I did indoc on personal leave, got a line number and waited a few months for SIMs before starting terminal.  Not at Delta though, they're hard up about it.

A big draw to early CJO is that some people will be less competitive immediately before separation due to loss of currency 12 months earlier.  The AF has been known to fuck people getting out by taking them off the line. 

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dayum, regAF is extra petty. If that's the level of toxicity I stand corrected then, that's a good caveat.

[Homestar]

  On 3/3/2023 at 2:59 PM, tac airlifter said:

 The AF has been known to fuck people getting out by taking them off the line. 

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That’s your DO’s fault. 

If Delta had offered me a CJO two years ago I never would have applied anywhere else. That’s a lot of time and effort saved wasted on applying everywhere. 

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[tac airlifter]

  On 3/3/2023 at 10:04 PM, Homestar said:

That’s your DO’s fault. 

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My MAJCOM A3 expressly forbid me from flying because I had "flown too much" during my career and "as an O6 select it's time to grow up."

We have many great leaders, but also some terrible ones and folks should be wary of unpredictable outcomes once announcing intentions to leave.  An early CJO is valuable security.

 

[DirkDiggler]

  On 3/3/2023 at 10:34 PM, tac airlifter said:

My MAJCOM A3 expressly forbid me from flying because I had "flown too much" during my career and "as an O6 select it's time to grow up."

We have many great leaders, but also some terrible ones and folks should be wary of unpredictable outcomes once announcing intentions to leave.  An early CJO is valuable security.

 

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The last STS one or the new female said that?  Either way that’s ridiculous.  And AFSOC wonders why they’re hemorrhaging so many O-6s.

[Homestar]

  On 3/3/2023 at 10:34 PM, tac airlifter said:

My MAJCOM A3 expressly forbid me from flying because I had "flown too much" during my career and "as an O6 select it's time to grow up."

We have many great leaders, but also some terrible ones and folks should be wary of unpredictable outcomes once announcing intentions to leave.  An early CJO is valuable security.

 

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My MAJCOM A3 has no idea who I am. I assumed you were at the squadron level.