Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[Swizzle]

10 minutes ago, CaptainMorgan said:

Agreed. They won’t consider everything, like current qual vs highest qual (AC/IP does a Phoenix whatever and has to restart as an FP) vs highest qual effectively held (example: short stint as an EP in MWS, PCS to another base and they revert you to IP). Also, it’s going to make for a lot of brown-nosing the CC to get that higher qual (and pay) and presumably IG complaints when the CC stiffs someone, justifiably or not.


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Not to mention forced re-tread/re-Classificaton into non-flying assignments not by choice (i.e. flying eligibile, except needs of the AF re-tread...like some CV-22 SMAs are experiencing now)

[SocialD]

3 hours ago, 08Dawg said:

There is ZERO WAY the implementation of this is not completely fucked up like a football bat.  

 

 

I actually think a football bat is more likely to succeed, with fewer fuckups, than this bonus proposition.  

[Danger41]

Maybe they should implement something so the pigeon types (don’t fly unless you throw rocks at them) don’t get full flight pay? Or if you suck, you don’t get full pay. Encourage people to actually study and get good instead of putting all your time and effort into admin and email forwarding. 

[Swizzle]

5 minutes ago, Danger41 said:

Maybe they should implement something so the pigeon types (don’t fly unless you throw rocks at them) don’t get full flight pay? Or if you suck, you don’t get full pay. Encourage people to actually study and get good instead of putting all your time and effort into admin and email forwarding. 

Oooh your idea could easily flip into qualify DEI = full flight pay, why, because it makes no sense for such a turn which is actually more plausible in the AF

[nsplayr]

9 hours ago, Danger41 said:

Or if you suck, you don’t get full pay.

Wait, most of the time you have to pay if they do suck. Which is it mister??

Edited March 28, 2023 by nsplayr

[Majestik Møøse]

Special pay for extra quals would be pretty easily tied to your AFSC prefix, W-, Q-, K-, S-, etc. If they want to pay FTU instructors more, make up a new code for that. Easy.

In fact, add B- and C- code special pay and it’ll start to make a lot more sense. Taking on commander duties deserves a lot more cash than being a line Lt Col.

[Dapper Dan Man]

If they want to pay FTU instructors more, make up a new code for that. Easy.

AF is already there, that’s the T prefix
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[Majestik Møøse]

Oh yeah, haha.

[Scooter14]

Special pay for extra quals would be pretty easily tied to your AFSC prefix, W-, Q-, K-, S-, etc. If they want to pay FTU instructors more, make up a new code for that. Easy.
In fact, add B- and C- code special pay and it’ll start to make a lot more sense. Taking on commander duties deserves a lot more cash than being a line Lt Col.

Now you’re on to something.

I would never want to see someone take a command position strictly for the money, but you are 100% correct in your thought that the SQ/CC has way more on their plate than your run of the mill “LC AC in the KC” as we called them in the tanker world.


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[StoleIt]

On 3/28/2023 at 1:20 AM, Majestik Møøse said:

In fact, add B- and C- code special pay and it’ll start to make a lot more sense. Taking on commander duties deserves a lot more cash than being a line Lt Col.

DO's need incentive pay, IMO. The CC at least has a chance at promotion and is their because they want to be (most of the time). The DO is probably in that position against their will, has limited promotion potential, and is getting the same amount of crap as the CC...just one is ops and the other is people.

Edit: And I am not even a DO. 😇

Edited March 29, 2023 by StoleIt

[nunya]

ADOs, too! That’s where the real work is done. DOs are just figure heads! 😇

[BashiChuni]

Everyone is special and deserves special pay 💰 

[LookieRookie]

20 hours ago, BashiChuni said:

Everyone is special and deserves special pay 💰 

it’s called the airlines

[BeefBears]

On 3/27/2023 at 11:20 PM, Majestik Møøse said:

Special pay for extra quals would be pretty easily tied to your AFSC prefix, W-, Q-, K-, S-, etc. If they want to pay FTU instructors more, make up a new code for that. Easy.

In fact, add B- and C- code special pay and it’ll start to make a lot more sense. Taking on commander duties deserves a lot more cash than being a line Lt Col.

Why would they incentivize CC when there is already a line of officers eager to deep throat big blue by applying for wing exec, GOFO exec, and aide de camp jobs? Seems like the incentive is already there.  And most (not all) take the CC job for a shot at full bird which comes with a lot more pay than O4 to O5.

[General Chang]

On 3/27/2023 at 3:52 PM, FourFans said:

I know some are adverse to facts...however, the $25,000 was established sometime in the early 90's (best I can tell).  Congrats, they basically finally adjusted for inflation...for the first year of the 10 you'll be receiving it.  Have fun with your AFPAK HANDS 2.0 assignment when they create it.  Good work, great incentive.

P.S.  Don't take the bonus.

https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

Gaslighting

[Guardian]

So if you don’t take the bonus 3 years early and just take it on time, it ends up being the same bonus? 35k a year?

And active duty thinks this is a good idea?

[brabus]

19 minutes ago, Guardian said:

And active duty thinks this is a good idea?

I think it is from their perspective. They entice people to sign a year or two before the average person realizes AD sucks balls compared to the ARC, airlines, etc. (for many people, not all of course). Now as those people approach their 10 yr point and realize their mistake, it’ll be too late. Many of those people will probably just resign themselves to 20 years. It’s a good idea from the AD perspective. Hopefully those O-3s at 6-9 years of service don’t have low SA and fall for the trap.  

[Swizzle]

25 minutes ago, General Chang said:

Gaslighting

How...? BoP? Or the mathematics of inflation? 

Compare these two sources and stories and what they say, which are from the USAF:

https://m.facebook.com/AirForcePersonnelCenter/photos/a.399299226864/10155160716116865/?type=3

2017 - Volunteer! ...then a mere 3 or 4 years later...cannot provide what we promoted - terminate midstream!!

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-ending-program-for-career-airmen-to-apply-for-preferred-bases/

 

...ultimately, what makes this round of BoP promises, with AvB, different? And if the assignment isn't to a base with your MWS did you just volunteer not to fly?

[Bigred]

2 hours ago, Swizzle said:

How...? BoP? Or the mathematics of inflation? 

Compare these two sources and stories and what they say, which are from the USAF:

https://m.facebook.com/AirForcePersonnelCenter/photos/a.399299226864/10155160716116865/?type=3

2017 - Volunteer! ...then a mere 3 or 4 years later...cannot provide what we promoted - terminate midstream!!

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/air-force-ending-program-for-career-airmen-to-apply-for-preferred-bases/

 

...ultimately, what makes this round of BoP promises, with AvB, different? And if the assignment isn't to a base with your MWS did you just volunteer not to fly?

This was my thought. What happens when everyone that takes the bonus early puts NAS Pensacola (perhaps with the hope to fly T-6s)? If the numbers are skewed, Big AF will change the rules and send those volunteers to Laughlin, et al. 

[jice]

5 hours ago, brabus said:

I think it is from their perspective. They entice people to sign a year or two before the average person realizes AD sucks balls compared to the ARC, airlines, etc. (for many people, not all of course). Now as those people approach their 10 yr point and realize their mistake, it’ll be too late. Many of those people will probably just resign themselves to 20 years. It’s a good idea from the AD perspective. Hopefully those O-3s at 6-9 years of service don’t have low SA and fall for the trap.  

Nailed it. Hopefully those 6-9 year O-3s are also becoming aware that a longer time-scale and higher congressional authorizations provide a bit of leverage to the collective. Until Congress (draft) or the president (stop-loss) take action to make it free, nobody says lining up to risk your life needs to be cheap.

[StoleIt]

16 hours ago, Bigred said:

This was my thought. What happens when everyone that takes the bonus early puts NAS Pensacola (perhaps with the hope to fly T-6s)? If the numbers are skewed, Big AF will change the rules and send those volunteers to Laughlin, et al. 

A dramatic depiction of the Air Force in literally any deal/program/agreement they put out:

[viperdriver1313]

They can’t even get one out..

[Hunter Rose]

9 minutes ago, viperdriver1313 said:

They can’t even get one out..

 

Yep.  Half of FY23 already gone and it hasn't even been released yet. Big AF is clueless, but they never stop surprising me on just how clueless they are.

[CaptainMorgan]

 
Yep.  Half of FY23 already gone and it hasn't even been released yet. Big AF is clueless, but they never stop surprising me on just how clueless they are.

They’re probably trying to figure out which AFSCs they’ll offer the full 50k to, and which will be a reduced amount. I doubt they have enough budgeted to offer it across the board. Congress is a big part of the problem when they put the amount into law, but don’t provide enough $$$.


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[Majestik Møøse]

On 4/1/2023 at 12:11 PM, BeefBears said:

Why would they incentivize CC when there is already a line of officers eager to deep throat big blue by applying for wing exec, GOFO exec, and aide de camp jobs? Seems like the incentive is already there.  And most (not all) take the CC job for a shot at full bird which comes with a lot more pay than O4 to O5.

A lot of guys want to command and fly at the highest level of operational war fighting, which is arguably the squadron.

Edit: the other half of the thought: but no one in their right mind signs up for O-6 without a cultural change in the Air Force.

Edited April 2, 2023 by Majestik Møøse