Aviation Continuation Pay (ACP - The Bonus)

[guineapigfury]

15 hours ago, Danger41 said:

That sucks about your Congressman @mcbush. The only time I ever reached out to mine (Sen Mike Rounds from South Dakota), I went to his website, followed the contact procedure, and had a staffer reach out to me by the end of the day. Problem was solved in 3 days. I was actually shocked at how well it went.

In 2016 I reached out to Kristi Noem's office for help with a recalcitrant office not processing my separation in a timely fashion and got a complete resolution within 18 hours.  It sounds like South Dakotans are electing people who aren't messing around.

[General Chang]

You people should really do some historical research on this topic, just on this site.  Same boring griping for a couple of generations now.  The creative solution is to produce more pilots.  Congress will not help with retention bonuses, so the AF has given up.  The ramp to 1500 pilots per year IS the target.  Younger squadrons IS the acceptable risk.  Keep calling me a troll, but this is the model going forward.  Embrace it and start working with those young pilots to get them up-to-speed faster.  Do something productive in your unit instead of complaining on a website.  The lack of “Service Berfore Self” on this website still floors me.  If I ever find one of you in real life under one of my commands…

[nunya]

48 minutes ago, General Chang said:

If I ever find one of you in real life under one of my commands…

You’ll what? Make us want to retire? Palace Chase? Just plain separate? Good deal.

[Air_Space]

Without going into specifics how does HAF assume this is going to happen? Assuming Chang isn't a troll, there is just no way I can see this happening even if we go to T1 only sim track tomorrow. There's still the bottleneck of T-6s

1) Maintenance isn't going to be able to keep up especially on the 38 side

2) You don't have the instructors 

3) High risk, if we go to flying 6-7 days a week with trip turns. That's how people put jets in the dirt (which we don't have enough of already). Or has HAF just said screw it, we accept the losses?

4) High ops tempo in UPT makes your instructor problem worse as now their living in s%*t towns and never see their family either in the process 

[pawnman]

15 minutes ago, Air_Space said:

Without going into specifics how does HAF assume this is going to happen? Assuming Chang isn't a troll, there is just no way I can see this happening even if we go to T1 only sim track tomorrow. There's still the bottleneck of T-6s

1) Maintenance isn't going to be able to keep up especially on the 38 side

2) You don't have the instructors 

3) High risk, if we go to flying 6-7 days a week with trip turns. That's how people put jets in the dirt (which we don't have enough of already). Or has HAF just said screw it, we accept the losses?

4) High ops tempo in UPT makes your instructor problem worse as now their living in s%*t towns and never see their family either in the process 

5. Lower the bar. 5 sorries in the T-6, do all instruments in the simulator. VR instead of flight time for low-level navigation. Kick formation to the FTUs.

Not a smart idea, but one I can see the Air Force leaning towards. We're already reducing flying hours and training events.

[CaptainMorgan]

5. Lower the bar. 5 sorries in the T-6, do all instruments in the simulator. VR instead of flight time for low-level navigation. Kick formation to the FTUs.
Not a smart idea, but one I can see the Air Force leaning towards. We're already reducing flying hours and training events.

They’re about to start T-6 straight to FTU trial groups.


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[brabus]

They’ve already done that. The bobs have been scrambling for years, grasping at any and all straws. They have no viable solution…other than retain enough dudes while producing approx 1000/yr. Congress and the DOD are unwilling to put real effort into retaining, so they just struggle like a fat kid at weight-loss camp to produce more (but less capable/greater limfacs early on).

[CaptainMorgan]

They’ve already done that. The bobs have been scrambling for years, grasping at any and all straws. They have no viable solution…other than retain enough dudes while producing approx 1000/yr. Congress and the DOD are unwilling to put real effort into retaining, so they just struggle like a fat kid at weight-loss camp to produce more (but less capable/greater limfacs early on).

They did it before with UPT Next at Austin. This will be 2.5 studs going straight to heavy FTUs in lieu of track select. Next was handpicked studs with experienced IPs.


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[raimius]

On 9/2/2023 at 7:26 AM, Air_Space said:

High ops tempo in UPT makes your instructor problem worse as now their living in s%*t towns and never see their family either in the process 

Already in progress.  (Could get worse, but then you are looking at 6-12mo before burning out the entire IP corps.). The former AFSOC min-turn deployment types are already complaining about the ops tempo...

[Ant-man]

Why bother retaining people when you can make them evaluators in their MWS with less than 72 gate months? I've seen it, and most people didn't understand why I thought that was insane. With the exception of the commanders and DOs, guys actually doing the flying in my corner of the AF are well within their ADSC, and the only ones past 10 years are lifers mostly relegated to staff. 

[jice]

On 9/3/2023 at 12:52 PM, raimius said:

Already in progress.  (Could get worse, but then you are looking at 6-12mo before burning out the entire IP corps.). The former AFSOC min-turn deployment types are already complaining about the ops tempo...

Could you elaborate? What’s ‘high ops tempo’ mean for AETC life?

[Standby]

1 hour ago, jice said:

Could you elaborate? What’s ‘high ops tempo’ mean for AETC life?

Triple turning 3 days a week, then rolling right into a student XC, only to come back on Monday to the same grind. If you’re a flight commander, tack on the endless amounts of counseling right after formal report. Gets old. 

[raimius]

2 hours ago, jice said:

Could you elaborate? What’s ‘high ops tempo’ mean for AETC life?

Double turn 5 days a week (maybe with another sim/rsu thrown in there) plus the occasional xc on the weekend, also whatever office job you have.

[Danger41]

I know a guy in this class and he told me that they are planning the following:

2 x C-130J

2 x KC-135

2 x U-28

2 x C-146

They also are supposedly wanting to grab from the middle third and then the next tranche of this would be from the bottom third to not skew results.  

[FourFans]

On 9/1/2023 at 8:32 AM, General Chang said:

If I ever find one of you in real life under one of my commands…

Please tell me this is you Chang...yeah, the guy who said stop hiring white men because you all think alike.

[brabus]

Who’s that jackass? Weird, seen tons of disagreements between white men, because they in fact do not think alike.

[SocialD]

11 minutes ago, brabus said:

Who’s that jackass? Weird, seen tons of disagreements between white men, because they in fact do not think alike.

 

 

I disagree!

[General Chang]

On 9/6/2023 at 3:34 AM, FourFans said:

Please tell me this is you Chang...yeah, the guy who said stop hiring white men because you all think alike.

Now we start with racist comments.  Lovely.  Diversity is the way of the future, you pansy.  You people need to get on-board with the new Air Force, or get flippin’ lost now.

[mcbush]

2 hours ago, General Chang said:

Now we start with racist comments.  Lovely.  Diversity is the way of the future, you pansy.  You people need to get on-board with the new Air Force, or get flippin’ lost now.

What do you mean, you people?

[pawnman]

5 hours ago, General Chang said:

Now we start with racist comments.  Lovely.  Diversity is the way of the future, you pansy.  You people need to get on-board with the new Air Force, or get flippin’ lost now.

As a straight white guy, I'm prepared to accept a TERA offer to make room for a more diverse officer.

[SocialD]

7 hours ago, General Chang said:

Now we start with racist comments.  Lovely.  Diversity is the way of the future, you pansy.  You people need to get on-board with the new Air Force, or get flippin’ lost now.

 

Mediocre level trolling, you're better than this Chang.  Anywho, I was happy to get lost this year, though it had nothing to do with diversity initiatives.  My great-great-great grandma was full blooded Shawnee Indian, so I appreciate these initiatives that help my people. 

On another note, and maybe this is good enough topic for to warrant a separate thread.  The Officer corps is getting d-u-m...dum!

[nunya]

On 9/21/2023 at 11:40 PM, General Chang said:

Diversity is the way of the future, you pansy.

Probably shouldn't use a word historically associated with the demeaning of homosexual males in your fight for DEI.

[Clark Griswold]

[mention=4348]tac airlifter[/mention] hey man, I'm in a similar boat with a couple CJOs and separating this fall.  I've been planning for this and amassed a big leave total since we were allowed with the COVID overages.  I'm planning over a hundred days of terminal, but right now it's biting me in the ass because I can't get orders in a timely manner.  If I'm lucky I'll have them less than 30 days before starting terminal.  I was wondering if something like indoc on personal leave was possible, but figured I'd have to do that form allowing me to have a second job.  How'd you get that all to work out? DM me if you'd rather message off the public forum.  Thanks in advance.  

AA didn’t care what type of leave I was on so long as I had a valid leave period covering whatever paid duty I was performing

Same boat I was in, f ton of leave, I was on leave 1 extra day either side of my indoc, tng, trip, whatever

FWIW

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[pawnman]

Not exactly related to the bonus, but to flight pay...my counterpart here in the office got an email from the local HARM shop that aviators in "Career Enhancing Assignments" (basically, any non-flying job that isn't coded specifically for a rated officer) would have flight pay terminated after 48 months, regardless of how many gate months you had.  The guy referenced AFMAN 11-421 and said it over-rode AFMAN 11-402.

This seems counter to the entire idea of meeting gate months to get continuous flight pay.

Anyone else heard about this?

[bad_timing]

37 minutes ago, pawnman said:

Not exactly related to the bonus, but to flight pay...my counterpart here in the office got an email from the local HARM shop that aviators in "Career Enhancing Assignments" (basically, any non-flying job that isn't coded specifically for a rated officer) would have flight pay terminated after 48 months, regardless of how many gate months you had.  The guy referenced AFMAN 11-421 and said it over-rode AFMAN 11-402.

This seems counter to the entire idea of meeting gate months to get continuous flight pay.

Anyone else heard about this?

Seems correct, but it also sounds like a CEA should normally end before 48 months.

6.2.4.5. Rated officers (except flight surgeons) on active AOs may continue to receive AvIP while assigned to the following assignments:
6.2.4.5.1. A joint assignment or position on the joint duty assignment list.
6.2.4.5.2. Attending resident professional military education or a fully funded graduate education program authorized by the Secretary of the Air Force.
6.2.4.5.3. Non-flying positions that require rated expertise.
6.2.4.5.4. Career-enhancing assignments outside of aviation service that does not require rated expertise or performance of in-flight duties for a period not to exceed 48- consecutive months. If a member is in a career-enhancing assignment for more than 48-consecutive months in accordance with DoDI 7730.67, HARM offices must assign ASC ‘04’ until the member is assigned to a position that either requires rated expertise or performance of in-flight duties..............The servicing HARM office will utilize ARMS and ad hoc reports to track a member assigned FSC “V” to ensure continuous AvIP is stopped when the member exceeds 48-consecutive months in the FSC “V” status. (T-1)